# Local NAACP Leader Fabricates Black Ethnicity **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 12, 2015, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/local-naacp-leader-fabricates-black-ethnicity/722357 "2015-06-12T13:35:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![piepiepie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e47774/32.png) [@piepiepie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/piepiepie)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/local-naacp-leader-fabricates-black-ethnicity/722357/201 "2015-06-16T21:24:44Z")
Well I was only applying it to her, so not really. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/local-naacp-leader-fabricates-black-ethnicity/722357/202 "2015-06-16T21:30:29Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > But by that same standard, a black kid adopted by white parents would also not know what it’s like to be black. Nor would a more recent immigrant from Africa. > > Barack Obama is not really black by that standard, being both the son of a white mother who raised him and the son of an African immigrant. (There actually was some initial unenthusiasm about him in the black community on these grounds.) He wouldn’t have had those black experiences growing up, and so presumably wouldn’t understand the culture and the history. Is this your position? AIUI **piepiepie** was pointing out some elements of the “black experience” that Dolezal has missed. I don’t think it’s supposed to be an exhaustive list. I do think her post is a little poorly worded, though. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/local-naacp-leader-fabricates-black-ethnicity/722357/203 "2015-06-16T22:10:36Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > [Personally, I think she’s not black because she’s not black. But you seem to be making a cultural litmus test out of it.] She converted. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/local-naacp-leader-fabricates-black-ethnicity/722357/204 "2015-06-16T22:30:48Z")
> [@piepiepie](#): > > Well, of course. I meant specifically Black American cuisine, like greens or chitlins. That’s what I thought, but it was just a touch generalized. My white in-laws, who are from the south, would be a bit surprised to know that greens are specifically Black American. 😉 (I think it’s a bit of shame the current generation from that family have no interest in their heritage foods like pokeweed, but I can understand why they took a pass on some of the small-game stews and soups - a lot of effort for not much meat) But yes, you are correct that chitterlings are traditionally black, as are certain ways of preparing greens and other foods. I’ll stop nitpicking now, because I don’t want to start an argument or seem disrespectful. I assume some of those traditional dishes were a result of owners giving unwanted bits and scraps to slaves and thus they do tie in very closely with black American history in multiple ways with a lot of emotional aspects to the cuisine. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/local-naacp-leader-fabricates-black-ethnicity/722357/205 "2015-06-16T23:17:03Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > But yes, you are correct that chitterlings are traditionally black, as are certain ways of preparing greens and other foods. I’ll stop nitpicking now, because I don’t want to start an argument or seem disrespectful. I assume some of those traditional dishes were a result of owners giving unwanted bits and scraps to slaves and thus they do tie in very closely with black American history in multiple ways with a lot of emotional aspects to the cuisine. The slaves cared for and butchered the hog, and ate the unwanted parts. I wonder about ribs, were they eaten by the slave owners? I think many White Southerners began eating “slave food” after the Civil War, and Sherman’s retreat to the sea. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2015, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/local-naacp-leader-fabricates-black-ethnicity/722357/206 "2015-06-17T03:08:34Z")
> [@Soylent\_Juicy](#): > > Black Twitter? Black comedians? Black people on TV and in movies? I don’t know, honestly, I don’t have any black friends. I get my black culture references from TV and the Internet. > > (Just to clarify, I don’t have any black friends because the city I live in is predominately white and I simply never have the opportunity to make any black friends.) > > **piepiepie** , you mentioned “us” somewhere when referring to black people so I’m picturing you as a black person - please don’t think for a minute that I’m trying to be offensive. It just struck me that it would be odd if this white lady who “identifies” as black says things that only black people are “allowed” to say, how an actual black person would feel about that. Or the black guy I was sitting next to on the train the other day. In the space of less than 10 minutes he used the term at least a dozen times. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2015, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/local-naacp-leader-fabricates-black-ethnicity/722357/207 "2015-06-17T19:48:37Z")
[Former NAACP official Dolezal has violated ethics rules - Spokane lawmaker](http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/17/us-usa-race-washington-idUSKBN0OX2EW20150617) > [@](#): > > Investigators hired by the city in eastern Washington to probe a whistleblower complaint found that Dolezal had publicly named citizens who made complaints against police officers in violation of a confidentiality agreement, and also engaged in “workplace harassment,” City Council President Ben Stuckart said. Makes you wonder if this is some piling on, or if these are just attracting more attention because of the other stories. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2015, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/local-naacp-leader-fabricates-black-ethnicity/722357/208 "2015-06-17T23:19:23Z")
[Rachel Dolezal says she was born in the woods, and there is no proof that those two white people are her parents.](http://www.people.com/article/larry-dolezal-stunned-by-parentage-claim) ---
**Author:** ![kopek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kopek/32/337_2.png) [@kopek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kopek)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/local-naacp-leader-fabricates-black-ethnicity/722357/209 "2015-06-18T00:18:37Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > [Rachel Dolezal says she was born in the woods, and there is no proof that those two white people are her parents.](http://www.people.com/article/larry-dolezal-stunned-by-parentage-claim) At some point she either needs to give up or the rest of us have to give up on following the story. ---
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/local-naacp-leader-fabricates-black-ethnicity/722357/210 "2015-06-18T00:27:19Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > The slaves cared for and butchered the hog, and ate the unwanted parts. I wonder about ribs, were they eaten by the slave owners? > I think many White Southerners began eating “slave food” after the Civil War, and Sherman’s retreat to the sea. Adrian Miller’s book Soul Food covers this - great read, and some good recipes as well: [Soul Food (Paperback) - Adrian E. Miller](http://adrianemiller.com/about-the-book/) [sorry to participate in the hijack - but I am another white guy who didn’t understand the fried chicken and watermelon stereotype - those meant Sunday dinner!] ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/local-naacp-leader-fabricates-black-ethnicity/722357/211 "2015-06-18T12:51:56Z")
And the hits just keep on coming … [Dolezal’s Son Made A Hilarious Fake Hate Crime Complaint](http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/17/dolezals-son-made-a-hilarious-fake-hate-crime-complaint/) [Rachel Dolezal was in a sex tape and her ex-husband forced her to perform ‘sex acts’ in front of the camera against her will, she claimed in court papers](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3127173/Rachel-Dolezal-SEX-TAPE-ex-husband-forced-perform-sex-acts-camera-against-claimed-court-papers.html) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/local-naacp-leader-fabricates-black-ethnicity/722357/212 "2015-06-18T12:54:37Z")
Yep, she’s a nut. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/local-naacp-leader-fabricates-black-ethnicity/722357/213 "2015-06-18T13:05:08Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > And the hits just keep on coming … > > [Dolezal’s Son Made A Hilarious Fake Hate Crime Complaint](http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/17/dolezals-son-made-a-hilarious-fake-hate-crime-complaint/) The acorn doesn’t fall far from the tree, and neither does the nut. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/local-naacp-leader-fabricates-black-ethnicity/722357/214 "2015-06-18T18:17:29Z")
Thing is, if trans-racialism does turn out to be a thing, this woman has just set that cause back a long ways. People will point to her if there is ever a legitimate case. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/local-naacp-leader-fabricates-black-ethnicity/722357/215 "2015-06-19T17:45:29Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > [Dolezal’s Son Made A Hilarious Fake Hate Crime Complaint](http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/17/dolezals-son-made-a-hilarious-fake-hate-crime-complaint/) Ms. Dolezal wants to be on reality TV? Albertsons should start her & her son off with Judge Judy for the cost of that wine! ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/local-naacp-leader-fabricates-black-ethnicity/722357/216 "2015-06-19T19:32:42Z")
Well, if there’s one thing she’s learned it’s that he hates these cans, stay away from the cans. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2015, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/local-naacp-leader-fabricates-black-ethnicity/722357/217 "2015-06-25T14:31:15Z")
[Adopted Woman Raised as Black Finds Out at Age 70 That Her Birth Parents Were White](http://abcnews.go.com/US/adopted-woman-raised-black-finds-age-70-birth/story?id=31997402) > [@](#): > > Verda Byrd spent the past seven decades of her life as a black woman, but at age 70, she discovered a shocking family secret her parents took to their grave that she’s recently made peace with – she was born white. > > Byrd, now 72, was adopted as a baby in 1943 by her black parents, who never told her that her biological parents were actually white, she said, explaining that she only uncovered the truth in 2013 about her birth after she went on a search for her biological parents’ history. > > “It was overwhelming,” she told ABC News today. “You cannot erase 70 years of your life and just accept what the papers say instantly. It’s like 70 years pass by, and in a blink of an eye, you’re a different race.” ---
**Author:** ![Aquadementia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aquadementia/32/555_2.png) [@Aquadementia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aquadementia)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2015, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/local-naacp-leader-fabricates-black-ethnicity/722357/218 "2015-06-25T14:36:28Z")
Makes you wonder if all black people are just playing pretend. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2015, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/local-naacp-leader-fabricates-black-ethnicity/722357/219 "2015-06-25T15:06:48Z")
Really tangental, but last night I watched the start of “First Peoples” (Limited PBS series) and their main thesis seems to be that the evolution of humans is far more complex than we’d thought in the past, and that species were not at distinct as the textbooks of my day had it. In particular, in the second episode they displayed theories that “modern” humans actually evolved several times, in several distinct regions of Africa, and that likely these, what, ‘proto’ species encountered each other, traded, and no doubt interbred, making them _all_ ancestral species to all modern humans. Interesting factoid, apparently the current rule of thumb is that most recent common ancestor of what are now two species must have been over a million years ago or else the species are quite likely to still be able to interbreed and have fertile offspring. (I don’t think anyone is surprised that sex would happen – Isn’t it known that humans will fuck anything that won’t kill or escape from them? – but that fertile children could result was new.) Anyway, near the very end of that episode they showed some evidence that some Neanderthals that were being driven south by the encroaching Ice Age reached what is now Israel … where they ran into “modern” humans who were spreading out from Africa. And they interbred, too. Anyhoo… a long lead up to the fact that today’s humans of European and Asian descent have far more Neanderthal derived genes than today’s humans whose ancestors remained in Africa all along. So, does this mean that those who think whites are superior to blacks ought to start wearing “Neanderthals Rule” t-shirts? ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2015, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/local-naacp-leader-fabricates-black-ethnicity/722357/220 "2015-06-26T18:39:52Z")
At some point, will people (who are white and consider themselves black) be given “racial assignment” surgery? This to include: extra suntanning sessions, skin dyes, hair kinking, etc.? Kinda like gender reassignment. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/local-naacp-leader-fabricates-black-ethnicity/722357.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/local-naacp-leader-fabricates-black-ethnicity/722357.md?page=12)