# Log Cabin Republicans: go sit on splintery split-rail dildos the lot of ye **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 16, 2008, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854 "2008-09-16T16:32:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/1 "2008-09-16T16:32:36Z")
For the life of me I can’t understand Log Cabin Republicans. “Women for the Return of Corsets” or “Vegetarians for More Slaughterhouses” or “Buddhists for Scientology for Jesus” would be no more improbable or oxymoronical category. I remember in 2000 when a former friend of mine from high school, then the VP of the LCR in NYC, said (direct quote) “George Bush doesn’t give a hoot about people’s private lives” when asked point blank about concerns that Bush would promote anti-gay legislation. Well the friend remained with the LCR (according to their directory), even being one of the ones who endorsed Bush _again_ (the LCR itself did not) after he tried to enact the Constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. Now they’re [endorsing McCain](http://online.logcabin.org/): > [@](#): > > “On the most important issue that LGBT Americans faced in the last decade—the federal marriage amendment—Sen. John McCain stood with us. Now we stand with him,” said Log Cabin Republicans President Patrick Sammon. “Sen. McCain is an inclusive Republican who is focusing the GOP on unifying core principles that appeal to independent voters.” To quote Patrick Stewart’s flamingly gay choreographer character in JEFFREY, > [@](#): > > Oooooooh! Get her! Bitch, have you even listened to McCain talk about gay issues? He’s **pro** Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, his running mate belongs to a church that believes you can pray the gay away, and he doesn’t even _mention_ LGBT issues on his web site (last year he didn’t even [have a clue what LGBT meant](http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/09/04/post_56.html)when asked about them). The only mention of gays on his official web site is under **Homepage\>\>\>Issues\>\>\>Human Dignity and the Sanctity of Life\>\>\>Protecting Marriage** (which some would think is already not an auspicious sign). > [@](#): > > [From hyeah](http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/95b18512-d5b6-456e-90a2-12028d71df58.htm): > > Protecting Marriage > > As president, John McCain would nominate judges who understand that the role of the Court is not to subvert the rights of the people by legislating from the bench. Critical to Constitutional balance is ensuring that, where state and local governments do act to preserve the traditional family, the Courts must not overstep their authority and thwart the Constitutional right of the people to decide this question. > > The family represents the foundation of Western Civilization and civil society and John McCain believes the institution of marriage is a union between one man and one woman. It is only this definition that sufficiently recognizes the vital and unique role played by mothers and fathers in the raising of children, and the role of the family in shaping, stabilizing, and strengthening communities and our nation. There’s more but you get the point: he thinks that you (Log Cabin Republicans [or if you prefer, Elephag and Tuskdyke Americans]) are something the rest of the country **needs protecting from**. Now perform the following google search: [gay site:johnmccain.com](http://www.google.com/search?q=gay+site%3Ajohnmccain.com&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=utf8&oe=utf8) Omitting people named Gay, the main hits are reprinted articles from newspapers that slam Obama for his support of gays. Example: > [@](#): > > [From hyeah:](http://www.johnmccain.com/informing/News/OpEds/a9615a9a-06db-45b9-8d97-d82b07870404.htm) > > Obama defined marriage as between a man and a woman but then launched into an academic disquisition on why he wouldn’t support a Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. He said, “I think my faith is strong enough and my marriage is strong enough that I can afford those civil rights to others even if I have a different perspective or a different view.” Obama apparently believes gay marriage is a “civil right.” McCain doesn’t. The SCotUS has ruled that marriage is a civil right for incarcerated mass murderers, so much the state must even float a part of the bill in allowing the wedding, but… at least Susan Atkins and Tex Watson aren’t fags. > [@](#): > > McCain – an attack pilot, not a lawyer – apparently has a deeper understanding of Constitutional law than the former chief of the Harvard Law Review. He said he’d support a Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, " . . . If a Federal court decided that my state of Arizona had to observe what the state of Massachusetts decided, then I would favor a Constitutional amendment." The Full Faith and Credit clause of the Constitution compels that result. Without an amendment, any gay marriage from any state must be given legitimacy by every other state. Uh, yeah… Clear enough? Oh, and for the military---- no pooftahs! (Take one look at Sarah Palin’s hair and you’ll see his campaign doesn’t even use gay stylists!) You fucking flaming faggots would carry the flaming faggots for your own burning. McCain doesn’t want you. He will accept your checks as individuals, but he will never appear at a LCR event or fundraiser. How much coverage did you get when you announced your support of him at the Big Tent Event of the RNC? You don’t exist! You are the mulatto bastards at the Republican Faulknerian Family Reunion! Why do you praise him? Why do you support him? # I have no delusions that an Obama administration would make Gay Day a national holiday, but at least he has a LGBT section on his site. He doesn’t support marriage (a political expediency I’ve no doubt) but at least he doesn’t feel he needs to protect the rest of America from _Will & Grace_. At very least he’d probably speak to you. For high earnin’ fags with incomes in the high six figures or above, I can understand it: your money means more to you than your visibility and self-respect. For the rest of you… I can only assume you’re 22 year old twinks living in the guest room of the Central Park view apartment of a much older Log Fence Faggot Roy Cohn wannabe. Perhaps it’ll turn out he works for Lehman Brothers and you’ll be free at last to vote Democrat. Don’t understand these folks, not tat all. I’d say it takes all kinds to make a world, but I see no evidence of that. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/2 "2008-09-16T16:45:56Z")
LCRs have always been a cognitive disconnect for me. It’s the epitome of oxymoron, emphasis on moron. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/3 "2008-09-16T16:55:57Z")
I’d hazard that they don’t understand themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/4 "2008-09-16T17:01:29Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > For high earnin’ fags with incomes in the high six figures or above, I can understand it: your money means more to you than your visibility and self-respect. For the rest of you… I can only assume you’re 22 year old twinks living in the guest room of the Central Park view apartment of a much older Log Fence Faggot Roy Cohn wannabe. Perhaps it’ll turn out he works for Lehman Brothers and you’ll be free at last to vote Democrat. FTR, my boss is a “high earnin’ fag” and he support Hilary and now supports Obama (although he’s no exactly down with Obama’s overall stance). ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/5 "2008-09-16T17:05:31Z")
All but one of them. There was this really cute log cabin boy at Pride in LA a couple months back. I’d totally hit that. I don’t care if he is a republican! ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/6 "2008-09-16T17:10:14Z")
So what is a ‘Log Cabin’ Republican, again? A liberal Republican? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/7 "2008-09-16T17:11:34Z")
> [@Sunspace](#): > > So what is a ‘Log Cabin’ Republican, again? A liberal Republican? [A gay Republican](http://online.logcabin.org/) (or a gay-friendly straight one, though I doubt there are more than one or two). ETA: > [@](#): > > You know, it would be a lot easier to take your suggestion that they should base their vote solely on their sexual orientation seriously if you refrained from the homophobic insults. **Sampiro** is gay. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/8 "2008-09-16T17:11:40Z")
You know, it would be a lot easier to take your suggestion that they should base their vote solely on their sexual orientation seriously if you refrained from the homophobic insults. ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/9 "2008-09-16T17:12:57Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > [A gay Republican](http://online.logcabin.org/) (or a gay-friendly straight one, though I doubt there are more than one or two). I did not know that. Suddenly US political stories make a bit more sense. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/10 "2008-09-16T17:13:42Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Don’t understand these folks, not tat all. What’s not to understand? They’re gay people who think the Republican Party is more correct than the Democratic one, by and large. I mean, what’s the choice if you think like that? Vote for the Democrats, who you agree with on the gay issue but whose views are anathema to you on everything else, or vote for the Republicans, who you agree with on everything except the gay issue? It’s a lot easier (although still really difficult) to stay a Republican and work to make the Republicans more gay friendly than to become a Democrat and work to make the Democrats more conservative on everything else. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/11 "2008-09-16T17:13:52Z")
> [@grumman](#): > > you know, it would be a lot easier to take your suggestion that they should base their vote solely on their sexual orientation seriously if you refrained from the homophobic insults. Oh my, this is golden. Although I suppose it’s understandable if you’re not familiar with **Sampiro**. ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/12 "2008-09-16T17:14:15Z")
If there’s one thing I’m sure Sampiro is **not** , it’s homophobic. ---
**Author:** ![Ace309](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ace309/32/1050_2.png) [@Ace309](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ace309)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/13 "2008-09-16T17:15:55Z")
[Republicans who advocate for gay and lesbian rights.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log_Cabin_Republican) ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/14 "2008-09-16T17:30:09Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > **Sampiro** is gay. Why do you assume that just because I like show tunes and had a mother fixation and like jewel tones and sex with good looking men that I’m gay? (Lord, people and their labels.) [QUOTE=Captain Amazing] What’s not to understand? They’re gay people who think the Republican Party is more correct than the Democratic one, by and large. I mean, what’s the choice if you think like that? Vote for the Democrats, who you agree with on the gay issue but whose views are anathema to you on everything else, or vote for the Republicans, who you agree with on everything except the gay issue? It’s a lot easier (although still really difficult) to stay a Republican and work to make the Republicans more gay friendly than to become a Democrat and work to make the Democrats more conservative on everything else. [/QUOTE] I would say the choice would be vote Republican, but _DON’T_ try to rationalize it with a pack of bullshit about how the Republican candidate gives a tinkerbell’s dam about gay rights. A better platform would be “Yeah, I know, we’re the stepchildren at best, BUT we think his tax plans and his Iraq policy [or whatever] will benefit us more than Obama’s _because_ x and y and z” instead of trying to reform the party from within Berchtesgaden. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/15 "2008-09-16T17:32:09Z")
> [@Ace309](#): > > [Republicans who advocate for gay and lesbian rights.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log_Cabin_Republican) What’s funny from that list is Michael Huffington. Who’dve thought that _he_ would remain Republican while his wife strayed further left after the divorce? ETA (not pertinent to above): In the LCR president’s own words > [@](#): > > “On **the most important issue that LGBT Americans faced in the last decade—the federal marriage amendment** —Sen. John McCain stood with us. Now we stand with him,” bolding mine McCain is now wishy washy and has indicated he would support such a ban, besides which he voted no on prohibiting job discrimination based upon sexual orientation (which to me, as a single man, is currently more important than the marriage ban). ---
**Author:** ![Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sophistry_and_Illusion)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/16 "2008-09-16T17:37:40Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > What’s not to understand? They’re gay people who think the Republican Party is more correct than the Democratic one, by and large. I mean, what’s the choice if you think like that? Vote for the Democrats, who you agree with on the gay issue but whose views are anathema to you on everything else, or vote for the Republicans, who you agree with on everything except the gay issue? It’s a lot easier (although still really difficult) to stay a Republican and work to make the Republicans more gay friendly than to become a Democrat and work to make the Democrats more conservative on everything else. But (and I’m just asking here) if you are down with the Repubs on their conservative agenda, excepting their social conservatism, wouldn’t that make you more of a libertarian than a Republican? If you take away the truly repugnant part of the Republican agenda (the idea that you should restrict people’s liberty by legislating Christian morals), then you are left with (in theory, at least, if not in reality) fiscal conservatism, small government, and a foreign policy that (at least for many Republicans) tends toward isolationism. What am I missing? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/17 "2008-09-16T17:38:52Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > It’s a lot easier (although still really difficult) to stay a Republican and work to make the Republicans more gay friendly than to become a Democrat and work to make the Democrats more conservative on everything else. I don’t think you quite understand (or appreciate) the depth of the disconnect here. It’s not like they agree on everything but farm subsidies. They’re members of a party whose membership, by and large, thinks they are suffering from a disease (at best), or that they’re dangerous deviants at worst. It’s a bit like saying you agree with Hizballah on everything except their Israel policy but you think you can get that sorted out. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/18 "2008-09-16T17:40:12Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > What’s not to understand? They’re gay people who think the Republican Party is more correct than the Democratic one, by and large. I mean, what’s the choice if you think like that? Vote for the Democrats, who you agree with on the gay issue but whose views are anathema to you on everything else, or vote for the Republicans, who you agree with on everything except the gay issue? It’s a lot easier (although still really difficult) to stay a Republican and work to make the Republicans more gay friendly than to become a Democrat and work to make the Democrats more conservative on everything else. I think this is a pretty godo explanation, and there are plenty of other similar examples. I’ve met a few Republicans that favor legal abortions, I’ve met quite a few Democrats that favor gun rights. I don’t think it’s beyond the pale to imagine that someone would take into consideration more than the obvious issues for them. I think too many people in this country are single issue voters(or maybe focus on only two or three issues), and they end up voting for a candidate that they agree with on the issues they care about most, while ultimately choosing someone they generally disagree with. In fact, I’d have to say I find it commendable that someone has the conviction to vote for a candidate that may actually be detrimental to them personally but who thinks is generally the better candidate overall for the country. Ultimately, I think they’re right too. I’m not speaking to their individual politics (since I don’t want to open that can of worms), but I do think that if they agree with them on the other grounds, pressure from them, as well as from the voting blocs that they’re seeking will cause change. Certainly, if they agree with them on the economy, foreign policy, or whatever, that effects the entire country, while those specific policies with which they disagree effect a small fraction. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/19 "2008-09-16T17:42:58Z")
> [@](#): > > Why do you assume that just because I like show tunes and had a mother fixation and like jewel tones and sex with good looking men that I’m gay? By that standard, 20% of the guys I know are gay. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/20 "2008-09-16T17:48:01Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Why do you assume that just because I like show tunes and had a mother fixation and like jewel tones and sex with good looking men that I’m gay? (Lord, people and their labels.) Well, you _are_ happy, aren’t you? Whatever did you think I meant? Most of the time, I mean, not right now. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854.md?page=2)