# Log Cabin Republicans: go sit on splintery split-rail dildos the lot of ye **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 16, 2008, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854 "2008-09-16T16:32:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/41 "2008-09-16T21:01:25Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > I feel like Dolly Levi sweeping into the Harmonia Garden! Well, it’s so nice to have you back where you belong! 🙂 Hey, if you’re doing the straight lines…! ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/42 "2008-09-16T21:07:36Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > Well, it’s so nice to have you back where you belong! 🙂 > > Hey, if you’re doing the straight lines…! Thanks! In addition, Obama’s not perfect on gay issues, but he included us in his nomination speech, and he has gay people working for him in positions of responsibility. McCain has joined with the religious right in treating gay people as pariahs. There is a clear difference between the GOP and the Dems on gay issues and I pity the deluded fools who vote for McCain. When it comes to abusing gay people, the GOP doesn’t have a safety word. I recently found out that a number of the German businessmen who supported Hitler fiancially in the 1920 becauase they saw him as a bulwark agaisnt the Communists waere Jewish. They felt that their identities as Jews were less important than their political allegiances. I wonder how that worked out for them. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/43 "2008-09-16T21:11:41Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > As has been pointed out, it is the official position of the GOP that gay people are vermin, that gay people can be fired from their jobs or evicted from their apartments for their orientation, that they deserve to lose the custody of their children or be forbidden to adopt because of who they love. > > It is logically inconsistent for a gay person to have “oodles of self-respect” when he makes common cause with people who believe him to be a subhuman pervert. But this is not the official position of the GOP, not even close. It’s you projecting. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/44 "2008-09-16T21:14:12Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > But this is not the official position of the GOP, not even close. It’s you projecting. > [@](#): > > President Bush believes that marriage is the union between one man and one woman. He supports a Federal Marriage Amendment. A shiny nickel to the first person who guesses where I got that from. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/45 "2008-09-16T21:17:58Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > As has been pointed out, it is the official position of the GOP that gay people are vermin, that gay people can be fired from their jobs or evicted from their apartments for their orientation, that they deserve to lose the custody of their children or be forbidden to adopt because of who they love. It’s the official position of the GOP that gays shouldn’t get married, but I don’t see the rest of that in the platform anywhere. There are, no doubt, Republicans who do feel that way, but it’s not the official position of the party. It’s irrelevant anyway. Gay civil rights are coming. People are becoming more tolerant of homosexuality, and as time goes on, the tolerance will increase, whether it’s Obama or McCain in the White House. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/46 "2008-09-16T21:20:26Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > But this is not the official position of the GOP, not even close. It’s you projecting. Bullshit. The GOP consistently opposes all anti-discrimination legislation at the city, state, and federal levels. The GOP in their platform opposes marriage equality for gay people. From the 2008 GOP platform: " A Republican Congress enacted the Defense of Marriage Act, affirming the right of states not to recognize same-sex “marriages” licensed in other states. Unbelievably, the Democratic Party has now pledged to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act, which would subject every state to the redefinition of marriage by a judge without ever allowing the people to vote on the matter. We also urge Congress to use its Article III, Section 2 power to prevent activist federal judges from imposing upon the rest of the nation the judicial activism in Massachusetts and California. We also encourage states to review their marriage and divorce laws in order to strengthen marriage" You. Are. Totally. Wrong. Gay GOP supporters=quislings. Period. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/47 "2008-09-16T21:22:07Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > It’s irrelevant anyway. Gay civil rights are coming. People are becoming more tolerant of homosexuality, and as time goes on, the tolerance will increase, whether it’s Obama or McCain in the White House. You miss the point. McCain opposes equality; even if it will come despite him, I see no reason to join him in holding it back. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/48 "2008-09-16T21:25:10Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > It’s irrelevant anyway. Gay civil rights are coming. People are becoming more tolerant of homosexuality, and as time goes on, the tolerance will increase, whether it’s Obama or McCain in the White House. Oh, come on, dude. If _you_ were prohibited from getting married, what do you think you’d say to someone who told you to calm down because it’ll be legal in 20 years? ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/49 "2008-09-16T21:25:57Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > But this is not the official position of the GOP, not even close. It’s you projecting. Actually, aside from the “vermin” comment, he looks pretty much spot on. The Republicans are overwhelmingly against SSM, or even same-sex civil unions. The Republicans have consistently defended those who deny services to couples who are in a same-sex relationship. Republicans have consistently defended denying adoption rights to couples in same-sex unions. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/50 "2008-09-16T21:30:05Z")
Nothing to really add to the OP. I’ve never really understood LCR’s either. I just want to say hi to **gobear**. Long time, no see. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/51 "2008-09-16T21:32:41Z")
I’ve said before that as a general principle, I don’t favor a “Federal Marriage Amendment,” for two reasons: as a matter of wise social policy, we ought to permit same-sex marriage; and as a matter of federalism, marriage is an issue for the states. I think someone could favor a “Federal Marriage Amendment” for many reasons: believing it’s unwise to permit same-sex marriage anywhere in the land; forestalling judicially-created federal marriage policy; being an asshole. It’s the second reason that deserves a measure of respect, although I disagree with it. If our notion of self-governance means anything, sweeping, substantive changes should be brought about by legislators, not courts. I have a great deal of sympathy for people who wish to forestall a court-imposed same-sex marriage rule, even while I think they’re wrong on the underlying merits of the decision. Same concept with abortion: if a court were to rule that unborn children were protected by the Constitution and thus outlaw abortion, I’d be outraged, even though I seek the outlawing of abortion. But not like that. So… reasons are important. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/52 "2008-09-16T21:34:12Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > If _you_ were prohibited from getting married, what do you think you’d say to someone who told you to calm down because it’ll be legal in 20 years? I _am_ prohibited from getting married, thank you very much, and I’d say what I do say; it’s coming, it’s not going to be stopped, and I doubt it’s going to be sped up much if we have Obama in the White House rather than McCain. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/53 "2008-09-16T21:34:36Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > As has been pointed out, it is the official position of the GOP that gay people are vermin, that gay people can be fired from their jobs or evicted from their apartments for their orientation, that they deserve to lose the custody of their children or be forbidden to adopt because of who they love. > > It is logically inconsistent for a gay person to have “oodles of self-respect” when he makes common cause with people who believe him to be a subhuman pervert. Really? If it’s the official position, I’m sure you can find it quoted on their website. In all seriousness, I appreciate your anger toward the Republicans on this issue and, were I in your shoes I might feel the same way. My dispute with them on this issue is purely academic. However, I think it’s unreasonable of you to refer to them as giving up their birthrights and such. I don’t think it’s fair to expect that everyone who is homosexual must put the LBGT agenda as their number one priority when entering the voting booth. It’s no different than expecting every black/white/latino person to put their respective group first or whatever. Further, I disagree that it is logically inconsistent at all. Yes, some republicans see homosexuals as subhuman, but so do some democrats. Granted, I imagine the number of republicans that think so is larger, but that’s beside the point. You shouldn’t be holding a party responsible for those people who happen to associate themselves with it. Voting Republican isn’t going to destroy any gay rights any more than voting Democratic will necessarily promote them. The key point that has to change in favor of the LBGT agenda is to get both parties in favor of some of their points, and that is something that a group like LCR can help accomplish. Right now, the general discourse is “Democrats like gays, Republicans hate them”, so what happens is everyone who sees that as a key issue votes for one or the other based upon that. What needs to happen is the entire discourse needs to change so that both parties are taking a look at the issues that are being presented. As long as a disproportionate number are a member of one party for that sake alone, one party will support them, the other will oppose them, and nothing will ever get done. Are the LCRs trying to do anything to bring gay rights into notice in the Republican Party? If not, then I’d agree with the argument that its illogical, since there’s really no point to specifically being gay republicans and not making any effort to bring attention to their needs. I don’t think they’ve lost self-respect as a result either, I think they just don’t put their orientation as the number one issue. By that logic all potentially discriminated groups (blacks, women) should also be Democrats, and all wealthy people or gun owners or Christians should be Republicans. This just isn’t the case. I think it just may be difficult to see why because it’s an important issue for you and because you’re a member of that group. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/54 "2008-09-16T21:35:45Z")
Frankly, I find the different drinking fountains that Obama is proposing a step in the right direction, [but still insulting:](http://obama.3cdn.net/795174956a7f432e93_4iiemv52b.pdf) > [@](#): > > Support Full Civil Unions and Federal Rights for LGBT Couples: Barack Obama supports full civil unions > that give same-sex couples equal legal rights and privileges as married couples. Obama also believes we need > to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act and enact legislation that would ensure that the 1,100+ federal legal > rights and benefits currently provided on the basis of marital status are extended to same-sex couples in civil > unions and other legally-recognized unions. These rights and benefits include the right to assist a loved one in > times of emergency, the right to equal health insurance and other employment benefits, and property rights. > Oppose a Constitutional Ban on Same-Sex Marriage: Barack Obama voted against the Federal Marriage > Amendment in 2006 which would have defined marriage as between a man and a woman and prevented judicial > extension of marriage-like rights to same-sex or other unmarried couples. “We are better than this. And we > certainly owe the American people more than this. I know that this amendment will fail, and when it does, I > hope we can start discussing issues and offering proposals that will actually improve the lives of most > Americans.” (Barack Obama on the Senate floor regarding the Federal Marriage Amendment, June 5, 2006) ---
**Author:** ![susan\_foster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@susan\_foster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan_foster)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/55 "2008-09-16T21:43:27Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Why do you assume that just because I like show tunes and had a mother fixation and like jewel tones and sex with good looking men that I’m gay? (Lord, people and their labels.) Like show tunes - check Mother fixation - hmmm…I talk to my mom every day on the phone…check? Like jewel tones - check (especially blues) Like sex with good looking men? - Take a guess Wow - turns out I’m gay! Who’da known? Susan ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/56 "2008-09-16T21:43:54Z")
> [@JohnBckWLD](#): > > Obama’s congregation was headed by his raving loon of a mentor. Your selective culling of inane doctrines spewed in all 4 cases doesn’t carry much holy water. > Well, you’re half-right. There have gotta be at least a few of those self-hating, LCR butt pirates who are don’t like O’s… Wrong, wrong wrong. The United Church of Christ was the first mainstream Christian denomination to support same sex marriage. [http://www.ucc.org/lgbt/marriage/](http://www.ucc.org/lgbt/marriage/) ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/57 "2008-09-16T21:44:18Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Unfortunately, I have to take issue with your post. #1 is bunk, but off topic so I’ll skip it. #2 I just don’ understand at all. Does someone’s sexual orientation have to be the overriding factor in their self image and/or decision making? Why is what Captain Amazing and JohnBckWLD said so outrageous that a gay person who feels that way is losing their soul, birthright, dignity and self respect? They feel differently than you do on the importance of various issues, and what you think is most important isn’t what they think. That doesn’t mean that they lack self respect, or dignity or anything else. The godfathers of my youngest son are avid McCain supporters, and they are also the most dignified gay couple I know. Both of them have oodles of self respect. Who left it up to you to determine how another person should feel and vote to such an extent that a person who shares your orientation but not your priorities has “sold their soul”? 😕 I find myself in agreement with **Weirddave** , so the Four Horsemen can’t be that far off. The LCR presumably see the running of the country as being more important than their own personal (and public, as a group) issues being made into law. Certainly I, for example, think it’s important and well, only fair, that the effects of sexuality in legal terms becomes more fair. But fairness and equality are just one of the important issues that a political party represents, and I for one could certainly see myself being willing to put one of my issues on the backburner if i’m in disagreement with the party that’ll uphold them on everything else. I mean, if the country goes down the toilet, that i’m able to get married to my partner isn’t going to stop me going down with it (no pun intended). And I can always hope that my party will see reason on that issue - at the very least, a party taking the country in the wrong direction on everything else could have some very significant, unpleasant, long-term effects. _Everyone_ comprimises with their voting in some fashion. There are probably very few Americans who agree totally with either of the current candidates stated positions, themselves included. I can certainly see that this is different in a way that other issues are not - people aren’t suggesting support of the free market is a mental illness, or that only a couple that support environmentalism can get married - but I don’t think that “betraying” onself in this fashion is horrifyingly, inexplicably worse than doing so on a good few issues, let alone a good swathe of them together. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/58 "2008-09-16T21:45:02Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > Really? If it’s the official position, I’m sure you can find it quoted on their website. as I pointed out, the GOP wants to repeal the rights already acheived in California and Massechussetts, and they oppose all legislation that would protect gay people from discrimination. OK, “vermin” is hyperbole. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/59 "2008-09-16T21:45:56Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > Bullshit. The GOP consistently opposes all anti-discrimination legislation at the city, state, and federal levels. The GOP in their platform opposes marriage equality for gay people. > > From the 2008 GOP platform: > > " A Republican Congress enacted the Defense of Marriage Act, affirming the right of states not to recognize same-sex “marriages” licensed in other states. Unbelievably, the Democratic Party has now pledged to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act, which would subject every state to the redefinition of marriage by a judge without ever allowing the people to vote on the matter. We also urge Congress to use its Article III, Section 2 power to prevent activist federal judges from imposing upon the rest of the nation the judicial activism in Massachusetts and California. We also encourage states to review their marriage and divorce laws in order to strengthen marriage" > > You. Are. Totally. Wrong. > > Gay GOP supporters=quislings. > Period. Dude, when did you turn into Otto? This isn’t like you, or at not like the way you used to be. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854/60 "2008-09-16T21:52:17Z")
> [@susan\_foster](#): > > Like show tunes - check > Mother fixation - hmmm…I talk to my mom every day on the phone…check? > Like jewel tones - check (especially blues) > Like sex with good looking men? - Take a guess > > Wow - turns out I’m gay! Who’da known? > > Susan I knew it all along! (You can always tell- it’s in the way they move the right ankle.) > [@Weirddave](#): > > Dude, when did you turn into Otto? [Brother-Boy]Someone’s gotta carry on the _legacy_[/Brother-Boy] That said, what in the piece that gobear cited implies the Republicans are open to SSM? Or anti-discrimination legislation? And why aren’t gays even _mentioned_ on McCain’s website? Unless you count, again, negative references in cited articles such as the ones you get when you google [lgbt site:johnmccain.org](http://www.google.com/search?q=lgbt+site%3Ajohnmccain.com&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=utf8&oe=utf8) On his official website he reprints an article saying he didn’t even know what LGBT _stood for_. We’re invisible to him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-go-sit-on-splintery-split-rail-dildos-the-lot-of-ye/463854.md?page=4)