# Log Cabin Republicans Trash Obama's decision to support gay marriage **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 9, 2012, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-trash-obamas-decision-to-support-gay-marriage/621430 "2012-05-09T21:29:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-trash-obamas-decision-to-support-gay-marriage/621430/1 "2012-05-09T21:29:14Z")
[What a bunch of dicks](http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/log-cabin-republicans-underwhelmed-obama-support-gay-marriage-202157189.html). Somehow revised position is “offensive and callous”. No mention of how many in their own party would have them imprisoned for homosexual acts – forget about support for gay marriage. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-trash-obamas-decision-to-support-gay-marriage/621430/2 "2012-05-09T21:49:18Z")
Nice to see they hate Obama more than they love their own rights. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-trash-obamas-decision-to-support-gay-marriage/621430/3 "2012-05-09T21:51:28Z")
“Log Cabin Repubicans” – boy, they ain’t goin’ for subtle, are they? “So, how many logs have you had in your cabin, Senator?” ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-trash-obamas-decision-to-support-gay-marriage/621430/4 "2012-05-09T21:57:35Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > [What a bunch of dicks](http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/log-cabin-republicans-underwhelmed-obama-support-gay-marriage-202157189.html). Somehow revised position is “offensive and callous”. No mention of how many in their own party would have them imprisoned for homosexual acts – forget about support for gay marriage. I agree they are dicks and honestly I never understood them. To me it is akin to a black man supporting the KKK. Makes no sense. That said I would agree that Obama’s announcement, while welcome, is politically timed (which makes it calculating) and Obama has been underwhelming in his advocacy for gay rights (witness his heel dragging on DADT). Late to the party is better than never but neither do I think Obama deserves hearty “atta boys” either. A polite thanks and then move on. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-trash-obamas-decision-to-support-gay-marriage/621430/5 "2012-05-09T22:05:07Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I agree they are dicks and honestly I never understood them. To me it is akin to a black man supporting the KKK. Makes no sense. > > That said I would agree that Obama’s announcement, while welcome, is politically timed (which makes it calculating) and Obama has been underwhelming in his advocacy for gay rights (witness his heel dragging on DADT). How did he drag his heels? He insisted on a legislative solution, which makes it much harder to reverse than an executive order. How was that not the best possible solution (to DADT, I mean)? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-trash-obamas-decision-to-support-gay-marriage/621430/6 "2012-05-09T22:09:01Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > How did he drag his heels? He insisted on a legislative solution, which makes it much harder to reverse than an executive order. How was that not the best possible solution (to DADT, I mean)? Here is one instance: > [@](#): > > **Barack Obama Tries to Reinstate Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell Yet Again Before Ending It** > > Although the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ordered the United States government to immediately halt Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, military recruiters across the nation seem to be dragging their feet, and Obama’s Justice Department has asked the court for a stay on their order “by the close of business” today. (So, within the next few hours or so.) > > Given that the President used a lot of political capital to sign DADT out of law last December, and that he’s used that historic occasion as cover for not taking up the other major gay civil rights issue right now, it’s as perplexing as ever why he’s still fighting this legally. > > SOURCE: [http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/07/barack\_obama\_reinstate\_dadt.php](http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/07/barack_obama_reinstate_dadt.php) ---
**Author:** ![dngnb8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/977dab/32.png) [@dngnb8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dngnb8)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-trash-obamas-decision-to-support-gay-marriage/621430/7 "2012-05-09T22:09:34Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > How did he drag his heels? He insisted on a legislative solution, which makes it much harder to reverse than an executive order. How was that not the best possible solution (to DADT, I mean)? He had a chance to repeal DADT and didnt at first. He did later, but balked at his first attempt. He alienated a lot of people in the L&G community ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-trash-obamas-decision-to-support-gay-marriage/621430/8 "2012-05-09T22:09:53Z")
If Romney announced he was for gay marriage the same people would be having parades of course. Quisling fuckers. Hijack: It would be interesting to see how the Mormons would react if Romney made such a pronouncement (not that I think he would- total Joseph Smith Piss flavored Kool Aid Drinker that he is). On the one hand it goes against everything that worthless herd believes in, but on the other this is likely their one chance ever to spawn a president and he doesn’t need their money and breaking with the church would gain him as many votes as it would lose him. So it would be interesting to see how they dealt with it. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-trash-obamas-decision-to-support-gay-marriage/621430/9 "2012-05-09T22:13:11Z")
> [@dngnb8](#): > > He had a chance to repeal DADT and didnt at first. He did later, but balked at his first attempt. > > He alienated a lot of people in the L&G community What was the first attempt? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-trash-obamas-decision-to-support-gay-marriage/621430/10 "2012-05-09T22:18:30Z")
> [@dngnb8](#): > > He had a chance to repeal DADT and didnt at first. He did later, but balked at his first attempt. > > He alienated a lot of people in the L&G community According to [this](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dadt_repeal) the first attempt was filibustered- why is that Obama’s fault? And why does it really matter if it failed the first time, considering that he pushed hard and succeeded the second time? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-trash-obamas-decision-to-support-gay-marriage/621430/11 "2012-05-09T22:19:45Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > According to [this](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dadt_repeal) the first attempt was filibustered- why is that Obama’s fault? And why does it really matter if it failed the first time, considering that he pushed hard and succeeded the second time? What do you think of what Obama did as mentioned in Post #6? I’ll note the title says “yet again” suggesting this is not the first instance but I am running out and don’t have time to look it up just now. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-trash-obamas-decision-to-support-gay-marriage/621430/12 "2012-05-09T22:24:48Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > What do you think of what Obama did as mentioned in Post #6? I don’t know- I don’t fully understand what happened (I don’t fully follow the language used by the article- maybe it’s the term “a stay on the order until the close of the business day”), and how Obama was involved. That may have been part of the agreement he made with various Senators and military leaders- that it would not be implemented immediately all at once- in order to get their support. The article certainly doesn’t offer a better explanation- is there ANY explanation? And do we know that this was directed by Obama, and not just some odd bureaucratic move? From my own experience in the Navy, military bureaucratic requirements change slowly and agonizingly. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-trash-obamas-decision-to-support-gay-marriage/621430/13 "2012-05-09T22:28:36Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > Nice to see they hate Obama more than they love their own rights. Meh, they hate themselves more than anyone. Nothing but pity for those poor self-loathing souls. ---
**Author:** ![dngnb8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/977dab/32.png) [@dngnb8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dngnb8)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-trash-obamas-decision-to-support-gay-marriage/621430/14 "2012-05-09T22:59:35Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > According to [this](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dadt_repeal) the first attempt was filibustered- why is that Obama’s fault? And why does it really matter if it failed the first time, considering that he pushed hard and succeeded the second time? Im going from memory here so please forgive if I am not correct. I believe it was before the filibuster that Obama had the opportunity to repeal the act. He balked. This sticks out in my mind because my buddy said he would never vote for him again after that (yes, he is gay). If I remember correctly, at that time, Repubs didnt have the voting ability to stop the change. All I remember is his ranting at Obama. He felt betrayed ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-trash-obamas-decision-to-support-gay-marriage/621430/15 "2012-05-09T23:06:34Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > If Romney announced he was for gay marriage the same people would be having parades of course. …and the people here at the Dope would be bitching about flip flopping and political motivations. Partisan politics in the 21st century, I’m stunned. You must be new to the US. Welcome. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-trash-obamas-decision-to-support-gay-marriage/621430/16 "2012-05-09T23:12:27Z")
> [@dngnb8](#): > > Im going from memory here so please forgive if I am not correct. I believe it was before the filibuster that Obama had the opportunity to repeal the act. He balked. > > This sticks out in my mind because my buddy said he would never vote for him again after that (yes, he is gay). > > If I remember correctly, at that time, Repubs didnt have the voting ability to stop the change. > > All I remember is his ranting at Obama. He felt betrayed Obama could have (I believe) used an executive order to end it. But he didn’t want to- he wanted a legislative solution- which was filibustered the first time. I’m not aware of any other legislative opportunity he had. Considering the outcome, I think his strategy was good and the correct one. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-trash-obamas-decision-to-support-gay-marriage/621430/17 "2012-05-09T23:16:03Z")
Frankly, I agree with the first part, > [@](#): > > “It is good to see that after intense political pressure that President Obama has finally come around to the Dick Cheney position on marriage equality,” said Christopher Barron, chairman of GOProud, in a statement. He went on to say, “This is hardly a profile in courage by President Obama. For years now, President Obama has tried his hardest to have it both ways on this issue.” I disagree with the second part, > [@](#): > > “That the president has chosen today, when LGBT Americans are mourning the passage of Amendment One, to finally speak up for marriage equality is offensive and callous,” Cooper said in a statement Au contraire, it is now that this is needed the most. And I agree again, at least until I see proof otherwise, on the third part, > [@](#): > > “This administration has manipulated LGBT families for political gain as much as anybody, and after his campaign’s ridiculous contortions to deny support for marriage equality this week he does not deserve praise for an announcement that comes a day late and a dollar short.” And of course I agree that if it were Romney saying the exact same words, this organization would have a completely different reaction. So they are to some extent hypocrites, and clearly they are Republicans first and gay second (I don’t quite follow how they manage that in their heads), but they are not without some justice in their observations. Roddy ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-trash-obamas-decision-to-support-gay-marriage/621430/18 "2012-05-10T00:05:03Z")
Any idea how many Log Cabin Republicans there might actually be? I’m putting the over/under at about 500… ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-trash-obamas-decision-to-support-gay-marriage/621430/19 "2012-05-10T00:11:55Z")
Nope, too low. I can’t find specific #s, but they claim about 22 state chapters. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-trash-obamas-decision-to-support-gay-marriage/621430/20 "2012-05-10T00:23:51Z")
So, at least 22 of them. Or since they’re rich, maybe 11 with summer homes. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/log-cabin-republicans-trash-obamas-decision-to-support-gay-marriage/621430.md?page=2)