# Logan's Run: a realization (movie spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 23, 2004, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logans-run-a-realization-movie-spoilers/256508 "2004-07-23T14:07:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logans-run-a-realization-movie-spoilers/256508/21 "2004-07-24T13:30:24Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > I do my humble best. Shall we talk about _The Wizard of Oz_ next? Dorothy was revered like a _queen_ in magical, colorful Oz, and she chose to go back to life as a provincial, dirt-poor farm girl! Or how about _It’s A Wonderful Life?_ George decides it’s okay that he’s never achieved his dreams. And if George had never lived, Nick the bartender would have had his name up in neon lights. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logans-run-a-realization-movie-spoilers/256508/22 "2004-07-24T14:39:26Z")
> [@Fiver](#): > > Dorothy was revered like a _queen_ in magical, colorful Oz, and she chose to go back to life as a provincial, dirt-poor farm girl! > > Or how about _It’s A Wonderful Life?_ George decides it’s okay that he’s never achieved his dreams. And if George had never lived, Nick the bartender would have had his name up in neon lights. The movie of _The Wizard of Oz_ is a straightforward story of the power grab by Glinda. Just before the film opened, there a was an uneasy balance of power in Oz, with the ambitions of the Witches of the East and West thwarted by their fears of retribution from the Powers in the North and the City. Glinda may appear flighty, but she is no idiot; she knows that the Wizard is a paper tiger and thus unable to effectively block any incursions by the Winkies or a Munchkin levy. Glinda took advantage of a flying house to wipe out the Witch of the East, set up Dorothy as her catspaw to destroy the Witch of the West using mundane weapons (the Witch would have depended upon her Winkie guards too much for non-magical defenseand her own abilities to ward against any eldritch threats), and lured the Wizard into making brash promises which led to his removal from the scene. Glinda then sends Dorothy back to her own world, leaving no one in Oz who would question how she became the ONLY magic user left in the country… ---
**Author:** ![MidnightRadio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@MidnightRadio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MidnightRadio)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logans-run-a-realization-movie-spoilers/256508/23 "2004-07-24T15:03:40Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > > [@Snooooopy](#): > > > > Boy, this ranks up there with the Endor holocaust as far as snatching depressing futures from seemingly positive movie endings. > > I do my humble best. Shall we talk about _The Wizard of Oz_ next? _The Wizard of Oz_? Endor holocaust? What are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logans-run-a-realization-movie-spoilers/256508/24 "2004-07-24T15:12:10Z")
> [@MidnightRadio](#): > > _The Wizard of Oz_? Endor holocaust? What are you talking about? Think about what will happen to the fragile ecosystem of a forest moon when gigatonnes of flaming DeathStar debris impacts the surface. ---
**Author:** ![Walloon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logans-run-a-realization-movie-spoilers/256508/25 "2004-07-24T15:26:44Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > (especially Farrah Fawcett in her first role) [Love Is a Funny Thing (1969)](http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0065146/combined#comment) [Myra Breckinridge (1970)](http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0066115/combined) ---
**Author:** ![vibrotronica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a9a28c/32.png) [@vibrotronica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vibrotronica)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logans-run-a-realization-movie-spoilers/256508/26 "2004-07-24T16:25:04Z")
Better yet, read all about the [gory details](http://www.theforce.net/swtc/holocaust.html) of the Endor Holocaust. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logans-run-a-realization-movie-spoilers/256508/27 "2004-07-24T18:19:55Z")
> [@MidnightRadio](#): > > _The Wizard of Oz_? Endor holocaust? What are you talking about? In addition to what **Fiver** said re TWOO, think about the reason Dorothy ran away to begin with. To get Toto away from Miss Gulch, who was taking him to the sheriff to be killed. So not only did Dorothy leave a fabulous magical place where she was regarded as a national heroine and confidant to the ruling elite to go back to her dismal dead-end dirt farm, but her dog’s still going to be killed. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logans-run-a-realization-movie-spoilers/256508/28 "2004-07-24T20:48:14Z")
> [@The Asbestos Mango](#): > > ah, the life of a Kobe beef cow… Think he’ll stay with the Lakers? ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logans-run-a-realization-movie-spoilers/256508/29 "2004-07-24T20:53:59Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Think about what will happen to the fragile ecosystem of a forest moon when gigatonnes of flaming DeathStar debris impacts the surface. Ah the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Declan ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logans-run-a-realization-movie-spoilers/256508/30 "2004-07-24T20:56:55Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > Ah the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. > > Declan You know, using a Trek quote to explain an event in a Star Wars movie has got to be some kind of a felony. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logans-run-a-realization-movie-spoilers/256508/31 "2004-07-24T21:00:13Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > You know, using a Trek quote to explain an event in a Star Wars movie has got to be some kind of a felony. Could be worse. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logans-run-a-realization-movie-spoilers/256508/32 "2004-07-24T21:36:14Z")
> [@](#): > > **The record of the Rebel Alliance’s involvement with the ewoks is also far from flattering. The commando team clearly exploited the naive natives in their attack upon the Imperial ground facilities. Though the rebel starpilots deserve credit for thwarting Jerjerrod’s attempt to eliminate all Endorian life, the rebel actions indirectly caused gross environmental damage. To establish the degree of culpability we must consider whether the rebel leaders and tacticians were aware that Endor was inhabited.** The above quote is from the link supplied upstream. Makes me wonder if the new republic and troops are going to be brought to book , in an intergalactic court, for this horrifying holocaust. And to think , I paid money to watch 5 movies , one hour of dismay with a television special, most of the starwars books to date. I have aided and abetted George lucas in his final solution for the ewoks. May god have mercy on my soul Declan ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logans-run-a-realization-movie-spoilers/256508/33 "2004-07-24T22:34:24Z")
> [@Jonathan Chance](#): > > I think the movie made the point clear that **choice** was superior to satisfaction, at least in the minds of the scriptwriters (it’s different in the book). Did the citizens of the City of Domes even _have_ a choice? It’s been awhile since I’ve seen the movie, granted, but I seem to remember that they didn’t choose to be free—Logan’s interrogation just blew everything up. How many of the citizens even had any idea of what was going on, before the explosions started? ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logans-run-a-realization-movie-spoilers/256508/34 "2004-07-24T23:18:24Z")
> [@Fiver](#): > > Dorothy was revered like a _queen_ in magical, colorful Oz, and she chose to go back to life as a provincial, dirt-poor farm girl! > > Or how about _It’s A Wonderful Life?_ George decides it’s okay that he’s never achieved his dreams. And if George had never lived, Nick the bartender would have had his name up in neon lights. _Miracle on 34th st_ - A level headed, self-sufficent young girl is persuaded that there really _is_ some belevolent patriarch on who she should rely to fufill her needs… No doubt leading to her three divorces and problems with alcohol. Hmmm…I started a thread about happy endings that wern’t really so happy and it sunk like a stone ☹ Still seems like a good topic to me. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logans-run-a-realization-movie-spoilers/256508/35 "2004-07-24T23:40:56Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Is this a trick question? I can picture one of the escapees being slowly mauled by a bear or something saying “yeah…this was much better than the painless death they had planned for me…” Renew! RENEW! **RENEW!** **RENEW!** ---
**Author:** ![Uvula\_Donor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e19adc/32.png) [@Uvula\_Donor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uvula_Donor)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logans-run-a-realization-movie-spoilers/256508/36 "2004-07-25T02:10:38Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > I mean think about it. Here we have a population in the thousands, if not tens of thousands, comprised of people who apparently either engaged in no meaningful or productive pursuits, or engaged in a job (like surgeon) which required enormous technological resources that, with the destruction of The City, are no longer available. They have no readily apparent food sources (other than, when it comes to it, each other) and are dressed in gauze. > > Yep, they’re corpses who just ain’t fallen down yet. They were doomed already because the infrastructure of the City was beginning to collapse. Remember Box and the ice cavern with the frozen Runners preserved in ice? It was Box’s job to receive food sources and freeze them, then supply The City with the food as needed: “Fish, and plankton, and sea greens, and protein from the sea. It’s all here. Ready! Fresh as harvest day!” But he also mentions that the food stopped coming and “they” (the Runners) started. At least outside, there would be some hope of survival, though they would probably be plundering the ruins of the City for resources initially. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logans-run-a-realization-movie-spoilers/256508/37 "2004-07-25T02:40:18Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Could be worse. Could be raining. ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logans-run-a-realization-movie-spoilers/256508/38 "2004-07-25T02:58:48Z")
> [@Uvula Donor](#): > > They were doomed already because the infrastructure of the City was beginning to collapse. Remember Box and the ice cavern with the frozen Runners preserved in ice? It was Box’s job to receive food sources and freeze them, then supply The City with the food as needed: “Fish, and plankton, and sea greens, and protein from the sea. It’s all here. Ready! Fresh as harvest day!” But he also mentions that the food stopped coming and “they” (the Runners) started. At least outside, there would be some hope of survival, though they would probably be plundering the ruins of the City for resources initially. Wait, didn’t they show some hydroponic tanks inside the city, which had presumably made Box obsolete? Now that I think of it, they might have been _abandoned_ hydroponic tanks…I guess I need to see the movie again. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logans-run-a-realization-movie-spoilers/256508/39 "2004-07-25T03:18:51Z")
Hey, look what I found on IMDB: > **[Logan's Run - IMDb](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0402344/)** > > Logan's Run: A young man at odds with his society's mandatory death sentence for all those turning 21 plots a daring escape on the eve of his fateful birthday. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logans-run-a-realization-movie-spoilers/256508/40 "2004-07-25T03:51:14Z")
**21**? … Jesus. I’m not sure I like that particular change… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logans-run-a-realization-movie-spoilers/256508.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logans-run-a-realization-movie-spoilers/256508.md?page=3)