# Logological discovery **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 8, 2021, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logological-discovery/937421 "2021-03-08T03:59:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logological-discovery/937421/1 "2021-03-08T03:59:12Z")
Since I was a kid, I’ve always been fascinated by groups of words that differ only by changing the five vowels: bag, beg, big, bog and bug are all actual words. Today, out of the blue, I discovered blander, blender, blinder, blonder and blunder. Whaddya know? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logological-discovery/937421/2 "2021-03-08T04:02:47Z")
Tan ten tin ton tun! ---
**Author:** ![blabbermeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9a140/32.png) [@blabbermeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blabbermeister)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logological-discovery/937421/3 "2021-03-08T06:53:36Z")
logological starts with “logo logi” but you already knew that ---
**Author:** ![psychonaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/psychonaut/32/4655_2.png) [@psychonaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychonaut)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logological-discovery/937421/4 "2021-03-08T14:26:49Z")
There’s also blynder, since “blynd” is an archaic spelling for “blind”, though that doesn’t add to your list a word with an entirely new meaning. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlax](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scarlax/32/2927_2.png) [@Scarlax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scarlax)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logological-discovery/937421/5 "2021-03-08T14:47:54Z")
R\_d. I did have to look up rud, but supposedly it’s a valid scrabble word. I imagine there are a lot of 3 and 4 letter variants that qualify where one of the vowels forms an archaic word. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logological-discovery/937421/6 "2021-03-08T14:52:18Z")
It turns out that someone who writes bots has a job title the same as a “Flat-bottomed Dutch sailing vessel,” so there’s always that. ---
**Author:** ![markn\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@markn\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/markn_1)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logological-discovery/937421/7 "2021-03-08T15:30:22Z")
This is a job for … software! My quick & dirty script produced these 98 results. amber ember imber omber umber an en in on un are ere ire ore ure as es is os us back beck bick bock buck bad bed bid bod bud bag beg big bog bug ball bell bill boll bull bally belly billy bolly bully ban ben bin bon bun band bend bind bond bund bander bender binder bonder bunder bang beng bing bong bung bat bet bit bot but brat bret brit brot brut chack check chick chock chuck chacker checker chicker chocker chucker clack cleck click clock cluck dab deb dib dob dub dacker decker dicker docker ducker dae dee die doe due daer deer dier doer duer dag deg dig dog dug dan den din don dun fad fed fid fod fud fally felly filly folly fully fat fet fit fot fut gad ged gid god gud gally gelly gilly golly gully gan gen gin gon gun gat get git got gut hack heck hick hock huck hall hell hill holl hull hap hep hip hop hup hat het hit hot hut lack leck lick lock luck lagger legger ligger logger lugger lane lene line lone lune last lest list lost lust lat let lit lot lut late lete lite lote lute ma me mi mo mu male mele mile mole mule malt melt milt molt mult man men min mon mun mang meng ming mong mung mare mere mire more mure mass mess miss moss muss massiness messiness missiness mossiness mussiness massy messy missy mossy mussy mate mete mite mote mute na ne ni no nu nab neb nib nob nub nat net nit not nut pack peck pick pock puck paddle peddle piddle poddle puddle pall pell pill poll pull pan pen pin pon pun pant pent pint pont punt pap pep pip pop pup pappy peppy pippy poppy puppy pass pess piss poss puss pat pet pit pot put patter petter pitter potter putter rab reb rib rob rub rack reck rick rock ruck rad red rid rod rud rag reg rig rog rug rat ret rit rot rut rax rex rix rox rux road roed roid rood roud sack seck sick sock suck san sen sin son sun sare sere sire sore sure slad sled slid slod slud snab sneb snib snob snub snack sneck snick snock snuck spat spet spit spot sput sprang spreng spring sprong sprung stang steng sting stong stung stark sterk stirk stork sturk strang streng string strong strung ta te ti to tu taa tae tai tao tau tack teck tick tock tuck tae tee tie toe tue tag teg tig tog tug tale tele tile tole tule tan ten tin ton tun tang teng ting tong tung tanner tenner tinner tonner tunner tate tete tite tote tute toa toe toi too tou unstack unsteck unstick unstock unstuck wad wed wid wod wud wan wen win won wun wat wet wit wot wut ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logological-discovery/937421/8 "2021-03-08T15:43:36Z")
I have a feeling that not all of those words would be allowed even in Scrabble. 🤓 daer? gud? roed? steng? taa? wod? and many more. And others are either abbreviations (deg), archaic ('pon), or prefixes (mult). A fun list, but [dictionary.com](http://dictionary.com) is snobbish. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logological-discovery/937421/9 "2021-03-08T16:19:36Z")
> [@markn\_1](#): > > massiness messiness missiness mossiness mussiness My favourite set. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logological-discovery/937421/10 "2021-03-08T16:25:30Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > I have a feeling that not all of those words would be allowed even in Scrabble > > gud? Never been told to “git gud, newb”? 🙂 > [@](#): > > roed? “Filled with roe” - perfectly cromulent > [@](#): > > taa? That one has [at least 3](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/taa) valid meanings Although I agree that a lot of them don’t work. _Roed_ does, but _roud_ doesn’t, for example. ---
**Author:** ![markn\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@markn\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/markn_1)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logological-discovery/937421/11 "2021-03-08T16:33:39Z")
My word list does have a lot of obscure and archaic words, but the six you call out are all in the OED. daer: A beast: usually a quadruped, as distinguished from birds and fishes; but sometimes, like _beast_ , applied to animals of lower orders. _Obsolete_ . gud: A euphemistic for _god_ [n. and int.] roed: Of a fish: carrying roe; full of spawn. steng: dialectical for _sting_ and _stang_ in various senses taa: archaic form of _take_ wod: variant of several words including _void_, _wood_, _weed_, _wit_, etc. And “roud” is defined as _English regional_ ( _Norfolk_ ). Now _rare_ . _intransitive_ . Of a fish: to spawn. You can consider this list to be a superset of an acceptable list. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logological-discovery/937421/12 "2021-03-08T16:36:12Z")
So is there a formal term for this sort of wordplay? ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logological-discovery/937421/13 "2021-03-08T17:07:09Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Today, out of the blue, I discovered blander, blender, **blinder** , blonder and blunder. When I read this list, I pronounced the bolded word in my head as rhyming with “tinder”, and thought: “Blinnder?? That’s not a word!!” ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logological-discovery/937421/14 "2021-03-08T17:07:28Z")
Mmmm - addictive. I feel the need have a Y word too: Dane Dene Dine Done Dune Dyne j ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logological-discovery/937421/15 "2021-03-08T22:36:39Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > So is there a formal term for this sort of wordplay? “Logology” was coined by [Dmitri A. Borgmann](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Borgmann) to represent the study of recreational linguistics. He founded _Word Ways_, a magazine devoted to this pursuit, along with writing a couple of books on the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logological-discovery/937421/16 "2021-03-08T22:37:13Z")
> [@markn\_1](#): > > This is a job for … software! > My quick & dirty script produced these 98 results. Thank you very much for this list. It’s going in my vade mecum now. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logological-discovery/937421/17 "2021-03-08T22:38:00Z")
> [@psychonaut](#): > > There’s also blynder, since “blynd” is an archaic spelling for “blind”, though that doesn’t add to your list a word with an entirely new meaning. I don’t care about the new meaning bit. I’ve checked the OED and W2, and they agree with you. So, huzzah! ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logological-discovery/937421/18 "2021-03-08T22:42:55Z")
_Word Ways_ is still being produced quarterly by Butler University, IN. [Here](https://digitalcommons.butler.edu/wordways/) is its website complete with access to some free back issues. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logological-discovery/937421/19 "2021-03-08T22:43:36Z")
> [@Treppenwitz](#): > > Mmmm - addictive. I feel the need have a Y word too: > > Dane > Dene > Dine > Done > Dune > Dyne Yeah, I always wanted to add “y” to the group, but they’re about as rare as hen’s teeth. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logological-discovery/937421/20 "2021-03-08T22:44:59Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > I have a feeling that not all of those words would be allowed even in Scrabble. 🤓 > > daer? > gud? > roed? > steng? > taa? > wod? > and many more. > > And others are either abbreviations (deg), archaic ('pon), or prefixes (mult). > > A fun list, but [dictionary.com](http://dictionary.com) is snobbish. I’m a lot less picky than Scrabble or [dictionary.com](http://dictionary.com). Abolete archaisms are fine with me. 😀 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logological-discovery/937421.md?page=2)