# Loki TV series discussion (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** disney-hulu\ **Created:** [January 27, 2021, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625 "2021-01-27T18:06:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2023, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/561 "2023-10-30T13:53:50Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > For another, what exactly is her motivation? Revenge? Power? Just seemed kinda out there, all-out murdering Dox and her crew like that. Love? She seems like she was very much in love with He Who Remains. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2023, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/562 "2023-10-30T14:01:42Z")
My working hypothesis is that Renslayer is following the plan of He Who Remains (HWR). And everything is going according to that plan. What we saw at the end of S2-E4 is the pruning of TVA, in order to feed the creation of TVA by HWR. This has been foreshadowed by Ouroboros (“it’s like a snake eating it’s own tail”) and Sylvie (“what’s it like when a timeline is pruned?”). ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2023, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/563 "2023-10-30T16:04:52Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > Did you see how excited Miss Minutes was at watching everyone get crushed in a box? Villain! That felt like the most brutal scene in the MCU so far. Those people died SLOW. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2023, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/564 "2023-10-30T16:25:24Z")
Also, imagine what you get when the box disappears. Yuck. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2023, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/565 "2023-10-30T16:31:28Z")
Yeah, they didn’t show anything of the aftermath, just B-15’s reaction. Truly horrific. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2023, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/566 "2023-10-30T16:36:33Z")
Yup, nothing but screams and… crunching noises while focusing on miss minutes excited face then B-15s shocked reaction. It was enough. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2023, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/567 "2023-11-01T00:57:34Z")
How did these primitive jarheads enforce Kangs Will with just a bunch of sticks? ---
**Author:** ![jadielyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jadielyn/32/8808_2.png) [@jadielyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jadielyn)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2023, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/568 "2023-11-04T05:22:36Z")
Time, time, time, see what’s become of Loki … as he looks around for his possibilities… Look around, minds are blown, and the sky’s a churning mass of spaghetti. That was … fun. And creepy. And OB is still just the best, second only to the Loki/Morbius buddyship. We’ve had our Science Fiction, doubles featured, and then we did the time warp again. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2023, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/569 "2023-11-04T05:40:17Z")
Mobius as an mellow Cleveland ATV sales guy named Don was… not what I expected. Well, the ATV sales guy part, I was expecting. Mostly the Cleveland part I guess. But the combined effect was still a little surprising. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2023, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/570 "2023-11-04T07:36:01Z")
Apparently Casey is a real historic person, Frank Morris, who escaped from Alcatraz in 1962 and then vanished. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2023, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/571 "2023-11-05T02:21:30Z")
The bit with Loki and Sylvie in the bar was particularly moving. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2023, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/572 "2023-11-05T14:35:09Z")
So Hunter B-15 was [Dr. Verity Willis](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Verity_Willis_(Earth-616)), a pediatrician in New York in 2012. You know who else was in New York in 2012? Loki and all six of the original Avengers. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2023, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/573 "2023-11-05T17:47:12Z")
What happened to Sylvies’ food just before Loki showed up? ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/574 "2023-11-06T01:18:48Z")
Spaghetified ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/575 "2023-11-06T03:58:41Z")
I like a nice serving of spaghetti. I don’t want my combo meal turning into temporal spaghetti. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/576 "2023-11-06T12:44:31Z")
That TVA manual isn’t just on a time loop; it’s practically a temporal Klein bottle at this point. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/577 "2023-11-06T22:34:34Z")
At this point, I’m a bit confused about who’s the bad guy here and what their plan is. Renslayer and Miss Minutes wanted to take over the TVA and replace He Who Remains with themselves, right? So their grand plan was…to overwhelm the Temporal Loom and erase the TVA from existence? Now Loki, I guess, needs to go back to before Timely sacrificed himself uselessly and himself (or Sylvie, I suppose) attach that fix-it device to the loom, and then…the TVA goes on as it was? Is there some master plan of He Who Remains still being carried out, now that Timely was given the TVA manual, that Loki and the others should be looking to prevent? I’m kind of confused as to what the hero’s goal here is meant to be. I have to say, I really liked Mobius’s whole “ATV”-“TVA” thing. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/578 "2023-11-07T02:14:15Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > I’m kind of confused as to what the hero’s goal here is meant to be. Loki said it himself: He wants the TVA back because he’s afraid of being alone. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/579 "2023-11-07T03:54:17Z")
That was Loki’s conclusion after Sylvie lectured him, mid-episode. But now that it turns out there’s an actual danger to reality, I’m not sure if this is the doing of Renslayer and Minutes, or if this is something put into motion by He Who Remains (sacrificing the two women) that puts Timely on the path to becoming him and that ends up restoring the whole sacred timeline thing, or if this is just a disaster that needs to be prevented/reversed and not (or at least no longer) part of some villain’s plot. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/580 "2023-11-08T14:34:35Z")
The real Frank Morris was an intelligent and incorrigible criminal who was sent to Alcatraz because of a previous escape. He was played by Clint Eastwood in the movie _Escape from Alcatraz_. So it’s kind of ironic that he’s the “real” version of the hapless and meek Casey. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625.md?page=30)