# Loki TV series discussion (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** disney-hulu\ **Created:** [January 27, 2021, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625 "2021-01-27T18:06:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/641 "2023-12-18T23:25:11Z")
> **[Marvel Drops Jonathan Majors After Assault, Harassment Verdict](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/marvel-drops-jonathan-majors-as-kang-1235391129/)** > > The actor starred as Kang the Conqueror in 'Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania' and was poised to star in 'Avengers: The Kang Dynasty.' ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/642 "2023-12-20T23:33:26Z")
Is there really no thread for this on its own? Is it banned? Well anyway, all I was going to post is: From a story point of view. I got no problem with Kang turning out to be Thanos 1.25. Due to the combined efforts of Ant-Man and Loki (Though unaware of the other) Kang is stopped after one movie and two seasons. I think thats kind of cool. Everything doesn’t have to be a massive crossover. Now in addition to my ideas above of they could also use Renslayer in Kangs role if they wanted to. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/643 "2023-12-21T12:00:29Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > Now in addition to my ideas above of they could also use Renslayer in Kangs role if they wanted to. I had considered that. And they have set it up for that to be a potential storyline. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/644 "2023-12-22T18:02:06Z")
Now they are free to make Galactus the next Avengers Big Bad instead of making us wait four or five extra years for it. Also, anecdotally, while I like it, the Multiverse saga has been a bit of a flop with every casual fan I know. A refresh is not a bad thing. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/645 "2023-12-22T18:10:39Z")
This is the most recastable role that ever existed, I do not understand why there would be a problem. Loki can look like Tom Hiddleston, Sophia Di Martino, Richard E. Grant, Jack Veal and Deobia Oparei all in one show. That is literally how variants work. You can have a new Kang every movie/show. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/646 "2023-12-22T19:14:58Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Loki can look like Tom Hiddleston, Sophia Di Martino, Richard E. Grant, Jack Veal and Deobia Oparei all in one show. That is literally how variants work. And the alligator. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/647 "2023-12-22T21:13:09Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > This is the most recastable role that ever existed, I do not understand why there would be a problem. Loki can look like Tom Hiddleston, Sophia Di Martino, Richard E. Grant, Jack Veal and Deobia Oparei all in one show. That is literally how variants work. You can have a new Kang every movie/show. Is it worth it? Is Kang really that interesting a character? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/648 "2023-12-22T21:14:48Z")
I thought he was, sadly Jonathan Majors actually was a great actor. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/649 "2023-12-22T21:44:48Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Also, anecdotally, while I like it, the Multiverse saga has been a bit of a flop with every casual fan I know. It’s been five years since _EndGame_, and the momentum they had built just stopped dead. They’ve introduced a bunch of new characters and concepts, yet done nothing with them to get the audience on their side. They’re all just in limbo, waiting for something which hasn’t been made clear. I assume _Thunderbolts_ will be a big deal, in a multi-character ensemble kind of way, but we haven’t had any teasers or anything substantial come from that quarter, so essentially it’s out of everyone’s minds. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/650 "2023-12-22T21:53:44Z")
Yeah, it should have been two, maybe three years tops before they cranked out another Avengers movie. Five years of setting up random characters with zero payoff for anything has cost them all the goodwill the infinity saga bought them. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2023, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/651 "2023-12-23T10:31:26Z")
I mean, I suppose you could work it that way, but the fact that the Lokis looked differently I thought was due to their innate shape-changing abilities—after all, changing his appearance from frost giant baby to Asgardian was the first trick he’s learned. As far as I remember, all the variants of a human we’ve seen so far have had the same appearance. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2023, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/652 "2023-12-23T10:48:22Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > I mean, I suppose you could work it that way, but the fact that the Lokis looked differently I thought was due to their innate shape-changing abilities—after all, changing his appearance from frost giant baby to Asgardian was the first trick he’s learned. As far as I remember, all the variants of a human we’ve seen so far have had the same appearance Remember him appearing as [Steve Rogers?](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5aGLX4egWTg) (Not to mention the bit where, across multiple movies, he appears as Odin. I know, I know: Odin isn’t exactly a variant of a human — but _you_ know that, practically speaking, he just starts looking like Anthony Hopkins.) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2023, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/653 "2023-12-23T11:30:09Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Is it worth it? Is Kang really that interesting a character? I don’t think it’s that Kang is that interesting as a character; I think it’s that the filmmakers figured he was that interesting as a plot device. Like, take your pick of classic **Star Trek** episodes: maybe the one where the Nazis won WWII, or where Rome kept on well into the era of TV commercials for new cars, or where someone decided to change the course of history with a nuclear-warhead detonation in the 1960s — the point being that (a) if you declare that a Time Travel Guy is around, then a sci-fi writer can readily slap together a particular type of story from there; but (b) if you declare that your Big Bad _isn’t_ a Time Travel Guy, well, then, less so. (And, for that matter: if pretty much all he has going for him is that he’s, uh, Time Travel Guy — well, then, all that stuff I was just going on about can take center stage: it’s What He’s Done To The Timeline that’s important, he doesn’t have to loom so large beyond setting those events in motion, he could even get done in by a derringer-toting guy named Buford. And that kind of goes away if you try to build that plot around a guy who has tons of stuff going for him, and you exposit that ‘Time Travel Guy’ is a mere _subset_ of that: yeah, he’s done things to the timeline, but those details maybe just fade into being window dressing for the fact that a godlike entity is toying with our heroes.) ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2023, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/654 "2023-12-23T14:08:34Z")
Sure, _Loki_ can look any which way he likes, including like any particular human; hence, his variants can also look different (and consequently be played by different actors). But that doesn’t mean that _Kang’s_ variants can look any other way than like Jonathan Majors. Also doesn’t mean they can’t (although then there’d be some question regarding what makes someone a variant rather than just a different person altogether), but pointing to Loki’s variability clearly doesn’t settle the question. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2023, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/655 "2023-12-23T15:54:19Z")
Mr Fantastic is also not going to look like his variant from Multiverse of Madness either. Or professor Xavier, I assume. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2023, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625/656 "2023-12-24T13:22:17Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Mr Fantastic is also not going to look like his variant from Multiverse of Madness either. If they ever get around to giving him a movie. I’m convinced they won’t - Reed Richards is a serious character, and stretching powers will never not look silly in live action. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loki-tv-series-discussion-spoilers/931625.md?page=32)