# London Mayor Says Terrorism Is 'Part And Parcel Of Living In A Big City' **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 6, 2017, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/london-mayor-says-terrorism-is-part-and-parcel-of-living-in-a-big-city/788318 "2017-06-06T22:55:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/london-mayor-says-terrorism-is-part-and-parcel-of-living-in-a-big-city/788318/21 "2017-06-07T00:11:59Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > If the state legal allows abortion, what power do they have over a Sharia council to say otherwise? The Sharia court can say whatever it wants regarding abortion but it can’t prosecute anyone for having an abortion if the state court says otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![marineris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@marineris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marineris)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/london-mayor-says-terrorism-is-part-and-parcel-of-living-in-a-big-city/788318/22 "2017-06-07T00:18:57Z")
> [@RobDog](#): > > Sharia, not Shira. Councils, not courts. > > Full article here: > > [The UK's Sharia 'courts' – Full Fact](https://fullfact.org/law/uks-sharia-courts/) > > So yes, there are issues, but we’re so far from being an Islamic state that the mere suggestion is risible. TIL the source of the 80 Sharia courts factoid is none other than that widely respected scholar of Islam, Nigel Farage. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/london-mayor-says-terrorism-is-part-and-parcel-of-living-in-a-big-city/788318/23 "2017-06-07T00:19:07Z")
How nice, the naked religious hatred. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/london-mayor-says-terrorism-is-part-and-parcel-of-living-in-a-big-city/788318/24 "2017-06-07T00:21:38Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > A snap shot of the last 30 days: > Date Country City Killed Injured Description > 2017.06.03 Afghanistan Kabul 20 87 Three suicide bombers detonate at a a funeral, killing twenty mourners. > … > \*\* > [deleted by Bone]\*\* Please observe fair use guidelines about copy/paste from other sources. I also recommend you link to your sources. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/london-mayor-says-terrorism-is-part-and-parcel-of-living-in-a-big-city/788318/25 "2017-06-07T00:27:50Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > … > Several European governments have made it clear to their citizens that criticizing European migrant policies or migrants is criminally off-limits and may lead to arrest, prosecution and even convictions. Although these practices constitute police state behavior, European governments do not stop there. They go still further, by ensuring that Islam, in general, is not criticized either. > > … I’m going to request a cite for this fearmongering panic before I believe it to be true. Can you point me to an actual government policy concerning this? Thanks, I understand it may take a while, a long time, like even really long, I get it. Let me know. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/london-mayor-says-terrorism-is-part-and-parcel-of-living-in-a-big-city/788318/26 "2017-06-07T00:29:05Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > By saying the third attacker was the mayor, yes you are joking on a serous topic. OK, I wasn’t completely serious about the mayor. But the rest of my post was completely serious, as you by implication agree. As for Sharia Law, why single her out? There’s lots of pop acts I don’t like. There’s Christian Fundie, and Joseph and the Mormen. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/london-mayor-says-terrorism-is-part-and-parcel-of-living-in-a-big-city/788318/27 "2017-06-07T00:55:43Z")
For taking quotes out of context this might be up there with “you didn’t build that,” “what difference, at this point, does it make?” and “I took the initiative in creating the Internet.” ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/london-mayor-says-terrorism-is-part-and-parcel-of-living-in-a-big-city/788318/28 "2017-06-07T00:55:51Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > The bait has been taken. Did you know this: > > Several European governments have made it clear to their citizens that criticizing European migrant policies or migrants is criminally off-limits and may lead to arrest, prosecution and even convictions. Although these practices constitute police state behavior, European governments do not stop there. They go still further, by ensuring that Islam, in general, is not criticized either. > > I’m not a scholar of Islam, or Shira Law, which shockingly has 80+ courts in the UK, but you seldom if ever see a Muslim speak out against what they view as Jihad. > > Any other major would not call this just part of living in a big city. > > It’s an outrage and one that is not likely to stop in the UK. Please provide a cite for your paragraph starting with “Several European…” Regarding the subject of this thread, I work in NYC and please believe me when I say that being prepared for a terrorist attack is part and parcel of living in a big city. There are occasional armed policemen at subway entrances, signs everywhere that say, “If you see something, say something” and give you a number to call or text. There is heightened police presence after any sort of incident. The marathons and bike races are heavily patrolled – I recently did a large bike tour in the city and backpacks were banned. Every building makes you sign in and provide photo ID. The airports have all kinds of security theater. Backpacks are checked or banned at concerts. I could go on. So, I’m not sure what your point is. The mayor of London, A MUSLIM, CAN YOU BELIEVE IT!!!, is simply stating the truth – people who live in big cities should be prepared for terrorist attacks. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/london-mayor-says-terrorism-is-part-and-parcel-of-living-in-a-big-city/788318/29 "2017-06-07T01:05:13Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > I wonder why Sadiq Khan gets brought up by a certain element re recent terrorist atrocities, when Greater Manchester’s Mayor Andy Burnham doesn’t. I just can’t figure that out… Fight my ignorance: what did he do? > [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Sadiq Khan has said he believes the threat of terror attacks are “part and parcel of living in a big city” and encouraged Londoners to be vigilant to combat dangers. There’s an actual video in my link, in case you want to actually listen to that. Khan _did_ construct his sentence in a less clear manner, but your interpretation only makes sense if you stop listening halfway through. And again, he said this back in the days of yore 2016. It’s okay if you’re starting an OP now, I’m just curious why. The current internet outrageosphere is mad about his other quote. > [@RobDog](#): > > Sharia, not Shira. Councils, not courts. No, She-Ra court. Disgustingly making use adhere to the Power of Greyskull, whether we like it or not. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/london-mayor-says-terrorism-is-part-and-parcel-of-living-in-a-big-city/788318/30 "2017-06-07T01:06:42Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Please provide a cite for your paragraph starting with “Several European…” The MSM cover up what is actually going on in Europe. There are not going to be any cites. Take it from someone whose been there. Even mentioning the 100% imposition of sharia will get you thrown into prison and all the womenfolk in your family stapled into their hijab. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/london-mayor-says-terrorism-is-part-and-parcel-of-living-in-a-big-city/788318/31 "2017-06-07T01:11:16Z")
I have little use for Khan, but what’s he supposed to say? It’s impossible to prevent all terrorism in London (or Paris or New York or Toronto or…). Even so, the chances of dying in a terror attack in any of those cities is mighty low. If Khan’s basic message is, “London is still quite safe, but security will never be 100%,” well, he’s right. ---
**Author:** ![quimper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/7c8e57/32.png) [@quimper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/quimper)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/london-mayor-says-terrorism-is-part-and-parcel-of-living-in-a-big-city/788318/32 "2017-06-07T01:13:51Z")
> [@Silver lining](#): > > The bait has been taken. > [@begbert2](#): > > Did…did I just get Poe’s Law’d? I’m not sure what to call that bit of naked sophistry (is that an oxymoron?) ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/london-mayor-says-terrorism-is-part-and-parcel-of-living-in-a-big-city/788318/33 "2017-06-07T01:25:55Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > Fight my ignorance: what did he do? I don’t want to speak for the **Baron** , but I think he means that the mayor of Manchester also had a terrorist attack in his city recently, but no one seems to be all up in his business since he’s not Muslim. So, his statement “I just can’t figure it out…” is likely a rhetorical flourish… ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/london-mayor-says-terrorism-is-part-and-parcel-of-living-in-a-big-city/788318/34 "2017-06-07T01:29:32Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > The bait has been taken. “The bait?” What bait? Your baiting of this board? > [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Several European governments have made it clear to their citizens that criticizing European migrant policies or migrants is criminally off-limits and may lead to arrest, prosecution and even convictions. Although these practices constitute police state behavior, European governments do not stop there. They go still further, by ensuring that Islam, in general, is not criticized either This is Great Debates. Do you expect to get by without a single cite for a claim as egregious as this? > [@Silver\_lining](#): > > What the mayor said should not be defended. I’m trying to debate whether to give you the benefit of the doubt that you mean that what the mayor said is indefensible. Anything can be defended, that’s one of the things that free speech is about. > [@Silver\_lining](#): > > You are against the principles of Shira law, are you not? Not answering this question tells me everything I need to know. This is a particularly loathsome discussion tactic, and fully deserves to be ignored. > [@Silver\_lining](#): > > we all know what the main problem is. And there it is, your real thesis among all the tripe in this thread. The “main problem” is that Muslims are allowed to freely exist in European countries. You poor fear-ridden sweat-soaked, shaking-in-your-boots child. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/london-mayor-says-terrorism-is-part-and-parcel-of-living-in-a-big-city/788318/35 "2017-06-07T01:33:38Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > This is a particularly loathsome discussion tactic, and fully deserves to be ignored. Well, I think the OP and his point re Sharia should be treated very seriously. We shouldn’t mock. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/london-mayor-says-terrorism-is-part-and-parcel-of-living-in-a-big-city/788318/36 "2017-06-07T02:26:16Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > You poor fear-ridden sweat-soaked, shaking-in-your-boots child. Do not personalize your arguments in this fashion. If you feel you must, the BBQ Pit is right around the corner. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/london-mayor-says-terrorism-is-part-and-parcel-of-living-in-a-big-city/788318/37 "2017-06-07T02:39:02Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > Well, I think the OP and his point re Sharia should be treated very seriously. We shouldn’t mock. Absolutely. We should also remember that [terrorism was invented by Muslims](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_Plot) and [definitely wouldn’t exist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerkenwell_explosion) if they had never immigrated. [Not mocking,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_pub_bombings) [not even slightly](http://www.sahistory.org.za/dated-event/bomb-blast-rocks-anc-london-office) ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/london-mayor-says-terrorism-is-part-and-parcel-of-living-in-a-big-city/788318/38 "2017-06-07T02:56:21Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Not at all. By saying this, he’s giving in to terrorism, and acting like its just part of living in a big city. > > No, it is not. Now he says there is no reason to be alarmed? What a load. The police can not stop these car/truck or knife attacks. They are at the mercy of the terrorists. > > Here’s an idea. Pass a law that forbids the talk of terrorism on the web, then arrest hose who break it that are on the watch list. > > Here’s the quote I read. > > Sadiq Khan has said he believes the threat of terror attacks are “part and parcel of living in a big city” and encouraged Londoners to be vigilant to combat dangers. Who should pass a law? The U.K. Parliament? What is 'talk of terrorism?" Would this thread qualify? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/london-mayor-says-terrorism-is-part-and-parcel-of-living-in-a-big-city/788318/39 "2017-06-07T02:59:45Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > What is 'talk of terrorism?" Would this thread qualify? Absolutely. I’m going to the UK later this year. You’ll notice none of my posts in this thread use the T word. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/london-mayor-says-terrorism-is-part-and-parcel-of-living-in-a-big-city/788318/40 "2017-06-07T03:21:38Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > If the state legal allows abortion, what power do they have over a Sharia council to say otherwise? Plenty. Basically the legal system in the UK allows for two parties to agree to have disputes be resolved by a mutually-trusted arbitrator. That arbitration has limited scope, and can always be overruled by the actual courts. That’s all the sharia councils are in the UK. There are similar arbitration councils for some other religions such as Judaism (indeed they are more numerous IIRC). Not only does the US legal system have a similar provision, it’s actually utilized for court TV shows like _Judge Judy_. She’s acting as a trusted arbitrator, not a judge. Wait a minute \ Judy _ **Hussein** _ Sheindlin Oh my god… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/london-mayor-says-terrorism-is-part-and-parcel-of-living-in-a-big-city/788318.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/london-mayor-says-terrorism-is-part-and-parcel-of-living-in-a-big-city/788318.md?page=3)