# Long: If conservatives could think... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 3, 2009, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/long-if-conservatives-could-think/484233 "2009-02-03T09:25:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/long-if-conservatives-could-think/484233/101 "2009-02-03T19:53:23Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Still waiting for your “examples”, troll. The examples I said I didn’t have the time or inclination to provide? Keep waiting. In the meantime, you keep providing more and more examples of liberal stupidity in this very thread. ---
**Author:** ![Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freddy_the_Pig)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/long-if-conservatives-could-think/484233/102 "2009-02-03T19:56:19Z")
> [@glee](#): > > Would you like a game of chess? No, because you have a several-decade head start at developing the concrete knowledge and game-specific pattern recognition skills necessary to play well. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/long-if-conservatives-could-think/484233/103 "2009-02-03T19:58:11Z")
> [@Sinaijon](#): > > Your cite only proves his point, BTW. He may be cavilling about the definition of “disciplined.” > [@](#): > > Two weeks later, Sampson received a letter from IUPUI’s Affirmative Action Office (AAO), informing him that two employees had filed a racial harassment complaint against him and that he had been found guilty – all because of the book. The AAO told Sampson that his big mistake was “openly reading the book related to a historically and racially abhorrent subject.” Wow. Is The Diary of Anne Frank next? I seldom provide cites from [Huffington Post](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-lukianoff/judging-a-book-by-its-cov_b_99729.html). But it seems fitting here. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/long-if-conservatives-could-think/484233/104 "2009-02-03T20:01:47Z")
Confirming that there was, in fact, no disciplining involved, despite your lie that there was, is “caviling”? The First Rule of Holes, schmuck. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/long-if-conservatives-could-think/484233/105 "2009-02-03T20:02:59Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > The examples I said I didn’t have the time or inclination to provide? Keep waiting. We all know what that means, troll. ---
**Author:** ![Sinaijon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@Sinaijon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaijon)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/long-if-conservatives-could-think/484233/106 "2009-02-03T20:10:22Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > The examples I said I didn’t have the time or inclination to provide? Keep waiting. In the meantime, you keep providing more and more examples of liberal stupidity in this very thread. I think this cite might be applicable on a number of levels. Our esteemed **ElvisL1ves** continuing to defend the CBS forged Bush documents. From a little under a year ago, no less. > **[Dan Rather and the forged letter](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=457150)** > > Most people know about the famous 60 Minutes exposee of George W Bush’s conduct as an Air Force Reservist during the Vietnam era, but the key dispute in the story - the “forged” letter, has all kinds of mystery to it. Some people belive that Rather... ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/long-if-conservatives-could-think/484233/107 "2009-02-03T20:11:47Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > We all know what that means, troll. Are you or are you not willing to admit that the conversations depicted in the OP might be described differently by the other party? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/long-if-conservatives-could-think/484233/108 "2009-02-03T20:17:07Z")
Of course. So what? **Sinaijon** , to quote myself from the link you thoughtfully provided; "The story about Bush’s AWOL/desertion was well-established, via a number of other sources, before this document ever appeared. The problem is that the Bush diehards have used this forgery as proof, in their minds, that all the rest of the evidence was faked too. " IOW, you haven’t figured it out _yet_. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/long-if-conservatives-could-think/484233/109 "2009-02-03T20:19:30Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Of course. So what? So why did you question **Bricker’s** stories and not the OP’s? ---
**Author:** ![Sinaijon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@Sinaijon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaijon)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/long-if-conservatives-could-think/484233/110 "2009-02-03T20:21:16Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > **Sinaijon** , to quote myself from the link you thoughtfully provided; "The story about Bush’s AWOL/desertion was well-established, via a number of other sources, before this document ever appeared. The problem is that the Bush diehards have used this forgery as proof, in their minds, that all the rest of the evidence was faked too. " Yes, all of which was refuted in the linked thread by a NG veteran. Thanks for proving my point, though. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/long-if-conservatives-could-think/484233/111 "2009-02-03T20:29:49Z")
So now the open-minded, thinking, willing-to-examine-ideas liberals are assuming **Bricker’s** examples are embellished and/or biased, but the OP’s examples happened exactly as reported. Seriously, this thread is hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/long-if-conservatives-could-think/484233/112 "2009-02-03T20:30:55Z")
Where did you see me “defending the CBS forged Bush documents”, as you claimed above that I did? :rolleyes: Silly child. **LA** , I already asked “So what?” Explain your point, please - in the context of the OP topic if you can. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/long-if-conservatives-could-think/484233/113 "2009-02-03T20:34:25Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#): > > So now the open-minded, thinking, willing-to-examine-ideas liberals are assuming **Bricker’s** examples are embellished and/or biased Remember that **Bricker** has a well-established reputation coming in. It saves a bit of time to use the default presumptions that he has so earnestly striven for. > [@](#): > > the OP’s examples happened exactly as reported Who but the OP has said so? > [@](#): > > Seriously, this thread is hilarious. Yep. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/long-if-conservatives-could-think/484233/114 "2009-02-03T20:40:31Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > **LA** , I already asked “So what?” Explain your point, please - in the context of the OP topic if you can. I just find it funny that the OP tells some stories that many use as evidence that conservatives are stupid, brainless fools, but when **Bricker** comes up with some counter-examples, you question their authenticity. In other words, your bias is showing. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/long-if-conservatives-could-think/484233/115 "2009-02-03T20:41:26Z")
**ElvisL1ves** , **Bricker** may be a conservative, but I believe him to be no more a liar than the OP. **Sarahfeena** , it’s only one poster, not liberal **s** , who’s challenged **Bricker** so far. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/long-if-conservatives-could-think/484233/116 "2009-02-03T20:44:02Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Yeah, that William F. Buckley was a real moron, wasn’t he? > > This whole thread reminds me of the old Steve Martin joke: “Christy Brinkley is so conceited - she hasn’t even called me once!” Barry Goldwater was smart, too, but he isn’t influencing Republican policies anymore than Buckley was. Have you seen what’s happened to The National Review lately? All the old style Republicans are gone or leaving (Byron York is the latest) and all that’s left are a bunch of Young Republican types that are in love with Sarah Palin. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/long-if-conservatives-could-think/484233/117 "2009-02-03T20:45:29Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Remember that **Bricker** has a well-established reputation coming in. It saves a bit of time to use the default presumptions that he has so earnestly striven for. How can I “remember” something that I don’t know to be true? > [@](#): > > Who but the OP has said so? Well, then, I ask the same question as others…why do you not challenge the OP in the same way you have challenged **Bricker**? [QUOTE=Bosstone] Sarahfeena, it’s only one poster, not liberals, who’s challenged Bricker so far. [/QUOTE] No, two posters…you and **Elvis**. And neither of you has challenged the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/long-if-conservatives-could-think/484233/118 "2009-02-03T20:45:42Z")
> [@Sinaijon](#): > > I think this cite might be applicable on a number of levels. Our esteemed **ElvisL1ves** continuing to defend the CBS forged Bush documents. From a little under a year ago, no less. > > [Dan Rather and the forged letter - Great Debates - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=457150) CBS didn’t forge any documents. Another exhibit to add to the OP. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/long-if-conservatives-could-think/484233/119 "2009-02-03T20:49:15Z")
The nonfactuality of the “conservative” position in the OP conversations is either self-evident or already established. Yes, it may be possible that the interlocutor was talking about something totally unrelated. Note, btw, that nowhere have I even addressed any of the topics the OP claims to have discussed. So why are you going after me? The nonfactuality of a **Bricker** claim often requires a bit of googling to establish (but usually only a bit), and once again I’ve done so. His well-earned reputation for dishonesty is nobody else’s responsibility but his own, though. I did ask you to put your point in the context of the topic. Can you do so? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/long-if-conservatives-could-think/484233/120 "2009-02-03T20:57:58Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > I did ask you to put your point in the context of the topic. Can you do so? If I were to make a hasty generalization about all liberals based on your posts, I would be committing the same logical fallacy as the OP. How’s that? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/long-if-conservatives-could-think/484233.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/long-if-conservatives-could-think/484233.md?page=7)