# Look at this dipshit grinning at the dead! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 14, 2002, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-at-this-dipshit-grinning-at-the-dead/136729 "2002-11-14T15:50:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2002, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-at-this-dipshit-grinning-at-the-dead/136729/21 "2002-11-15T12:18:47Z")
some links that show that the rest of Indonesia isn’t very happy with the incident and how it was handled. [http://abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s728191.htm](http://abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s728191.htm) and especially relevant [http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/11/14/1037080848119.html](http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/11/14/1037080848119.html) > [@](#): > > Locals point out that it is the Indonesian way not to show anger, and to laugh out of embarrassment or to show compassion. This, they say, explains why Amrozi’s remark to a Western journalist - “those are the sorts of people that I wanted to kill” - was greeted by laughter by Indonesian officials in the interview room. Still want to condemn an entire nation for the crimes of the very few and the customary reactions that you just assumed meant what you thought it meant? ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2002, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-at-this-dipshit-grinning-at-the-dead/136729/22 "2002-11-15T12:26:47Z")
In Thailand and Cambodia (the two SE Asian country I have visited) they smile when things are going bad, they smile when they’re angry, they smile all the time. When they don’t smile it’s time to run. Westerners, including myself, do not get it. They have not the cultural references to. Face is a big thing in Asia and smiling one of the ways to keep it. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2002, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-at-this-dipshit-grinning-at-the-dead/136729/23 "2002-11-15T12:29:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TwistofFate \* > \*\*some links that show that the rest of Indonesia isn’t very happy with the incident and how it was handled. > > [http://abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s728191.htm](http://abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s728191.htm) > > and especially relevant > > [http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/11/14/1037080848119.html](http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/11/14/1037080848119.html) I see from those links that a few **individuals** –including a defense minister who is a natural rival of Indonesia’s police chief–have voiced criticism, but they say nothing about what the vast majority of Indonesia’s population thinks. You’re making some assumptions there as well, TwistofFate. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2002, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-at-this-dipshit-grinning-at-the-dead/136729/24 "2002-11-15T13:06:18Z")
Correct, my wording could have been better. ---
**Author:** ![TheLoadedDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/35a633/32.png) [@TheLoadedDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheLoadedDog)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2002, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-at-this-dipshit-grinning-at-the-dead/136729/25 "2002-11-15T13:31:39Z")
I can’t speak for any other Australian, but I can give my thoughts on it, and also tell you what I feel to be general public opinion here: On the Bali bombing, September 11, and the War on Terror generally, I’m hawkish. I acknowledge that Western military strikes can and will have adverse effects (creating a new wave of disgruntled Muslim youth, etc), but I believe it remains the best option. A hundred or so of my countrymen and women were killed last month. Several thousand Americans also lost their lives last year to these ratbags. I see this dipshit grinning, and yes, I want to go in there and hammer terrorism with everything we’ve got. I’m probably not in tune with the majority of Australians on this, with public opinion here leaning towards a more diplomatic approach. I am more in tune with Australian public opinion on the issue of the plight of Bali post October 12. There is no stated or unstated boycott of Bali by Australians as far as I am aware. People are simply too scared to go. The Australian media has been unusually admirable in highlighting the suffering that the near total destruction of Bali’s tourism industry is going to cause the Balinese people. But as the thread title says, “Look at this dipshit grinning at the dead!” I’m sure I’m not the only person enraged by the images of this. Finally, I’m an atheist, a conservative, and a beer-swilling redneck white boy. But I do not blame Islam. It does not have a monopoly on religious violence. There are individual Muslims I care about deeply - friends of mine. They are intelligent, articulate, and sensitive people, and they have been hurt by the terrorist attacks in ways which go beyond the anger others of us feel. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2002, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-at-this-dipshit-grinning-at-the-dead/136729/26 "2002-11-15T14:48:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by milroyj \* > \*\*But Mr. Goode didn’t call repugnant behavior repugnant, he tried to explain/excuse/whatever that the repugnant behavior was due to “cultural differences.” > > Bullfeathers. \*\* Sir, you seem unwilling even to _countenance_ that different cultures may react differently to what They may indeed be asshats, but in my (extensive) experience in South-East Asia, people often smile and giggle when they’re upset or angry. It’s disturbing to us, but it happens. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2002, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-at-this-dipshit-grinning-at-the-dead/136729/27 "2002-11-15T14:49:07Z")
“…to what we believe is the norm.” ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2002, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-at-this-dipshit-grinning-at-the-dead/136729/28 "2002-11-15T16:44:26Z")
[Bit of a cite for you:](http://www.sino.net/asean/indonesa.html) (highlighted for your benefit) > [@](#): > > Indonesians are trained to cope with stressful, interpersonal situations differently than Westerners. **They tend to be nonassertive and continue to smile and maintain a calm appearance as they withdraw from a quarrel.** When they avoid your gaze, it doesn’t mean that they are afraid of you. Under most circumstances, eye contact is avoided, particularly if it’s prolonged. [And another:](http://www.robert-walker.net/letterbali/LetterBali4.htm) > [@](#): > > I walked up to Nengah’s to find out how the baby was. Nengah greeted me warmly and put his arms round me **and laughed**. “It died yesterday” (very matter of fact, very precise) “at eight-thirty.” All the relatives, however distantly related, were sitting in the Bale Gede **laughing and joking**. > \<…\> > I couldn’t behave as I wanted to; **sympathy, affection, gestures of mutuality - let alone condolences - sit badly in the Balinese psyche. They just become embarrassed and giggle even more.** Do you _really_ think there’s a behavioural absolute? While this may not be the reason in this instance, it _might_ be. Should you be quite so quick to jump on their behaviour without any knowledge or consideration of their culture? The terrorist, of course, can go fuck himself. ---
**Author:** ![LolaCocaCola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7cd45c/32.png) [@LolaCocaCola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LolaCocaCola)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2002, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-at-this-dipshit-grinning-at-the-dead/136729/29 "2002-11-15T17:20:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TheLoadedDog \* > \*\*On the Bali bombing, September 11, and the War on Terror generally, I’m hawkish. I acknowledge that Western military strikes can and will have adverse effects (creating a new wave of disgruntled Muslim youth, etc), but I believe it remains the best option. \*\* I absolutely agree. It’s a no win situation. If we strike, they will retaliate, if we don’t strike, we are pussies to be walked over and future attacks will surely follow - in which case, I’d rather strike! I do not condemn Islam at all, but any nation that harbors terrorists, should be ready to face the consequences. In this case it meant destroying their own economy. This should be enough incentive for the nation as a whole to be more vigilant and say “we aren’t gonna stand for this shit!” Hopefully there will be the realization that shooting your nose to spite your face is not exactly a smart move. And **TwistOfFate** , why don’t you have a nice, tall glass of shut the fuck up! ---
**Author:** ![LolaCocaCola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7cd45c/32.png) [@LolaCocaCola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LolaCocaCola)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2002, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-at-this-dipshit-grinning-at-the-dead/136729/30 "2002-11-15T17:22:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TwistofFate \* > \*\* > > Perhaps they were grinning for the camera that they had caught the bomber. > But of course, It wouldnt be a Trademark Lolacocacola utterance without the obligatory assumption that she is 100% correct and there is no other possible explination. > but no. She wants an Entire NATION has to suffer because she saw one snippet and chose to make her mind up RIGHT THEN AND THERE. \*\* Will someone tell this bitch to stop folowing me around, already? ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2002, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-at-this-dipshit-grinning-at-the-dead/136729/31 "2002-11-15T17:23:23Z")
**Lola** , just so you know what you’re talking about: Bali is Hindu, not Muslim. Bali is not a nation. Destroying Bali’s economy will not destroy Muslim Indonesia’s economy. Bali does not harbour terrorists (or at least if it does, it’s in the same way that any other country harbours terrorists). ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2002, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-at-this-dipshit-grinning-at-the-dead/136729/32 "2002-11-15T17:24:17Z")
Following you around? Get over yourself. Keep lining them up and I’ll keep hitting them over the fence, dear. ---
**Author:** ![LolaCocaCola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7cd45c/32.png) [@LolaCocaCola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LolaCocaCola)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2002, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-at-this-dipshit-grinning-at-the-dead/136729/33 "2002-11-15T17:25:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jjimm \* > \*\ ***Lola** , just so you know what you’re talking about: Bali is Hindu, not Muslim. Bali is not a nation. Destroying Bali’s economy will not destroy Muslim Indonesia’s economy. Bali does not harbour terrorists (or at least if it does, it’s in the same way that any other country harbours terrorists). \*\* Yes, I am aware of this. My comment about Islam was in response to another post. ---
**Author:** ![LolaCocaCola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7cd45c/32.png) [@LolaCocaCola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LolaCocaCola)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2002, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-at-this-dipshit-grinning-at-the-dead/136729/34 "2002-11-15T17:27:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TwistofFate \* > \*\*Following you around? > > Get over yourself. > > Keep lining them up and I’ll keep hitting them over the fence, dear. \*\* Hit them with what? _wiggles pinky_ ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2002, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-at-this-dipshit-grinning-at-the-dead/136729/35 "2002-11-15T17:30:22Z")
yeah, whatever. You cant do nothing but spout useless hot air and when you get called on it you have to resort to childish innuendo. I’ll bet you’re a hit down at the playground. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2002, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-at-this-dipshit-grinning-at-the-dead/136729/36 "2002-11-15T17:31:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by LolaCocaCola \* > Will someone tell this bitch to stop folowing me around, already? Bitch stop following this bitch around. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2002, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-at-this-dipshit-grinning-at-the-dead/136729/37 "2002-11-15T17:31:40Z")
If you two will stop flirting for a second… **Lola** , did you look at my cites? ---
**Author:** ![LolaCocaCola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7cd45c/32.png) [@LolaCocaCola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LolaCocaCola)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2002, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-at-this-dipshit-grinning-at-the-dead/136729/38 "2002-11-15T17:33:03Z")
Like omagawd! Yer like soooo right! Actually, I think you must be in love with me. It’s like, soooooo obvious. _snaps gum_ :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![LolaCocaCola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7cd45c/32.png) [@LolaCocaCola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LolaCocaCola)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2002, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-at-this-dipshit-grinning-at-the-dead/136729/39 "2002-11-15T17:34:36Z")
Not yet, **Jjim** - I can’t, I’m too busy laying the smackdown on my bitch. Plus I’m heading off into a meeting… Speak well of me while I’m gone, m’kay? ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2002, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-at-this-dipshit-grinning-at-the-dead/136729/40 "2002-11-15T17:37:46Z")
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