# Look, Islam is not going away **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 16, 2015, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-islam-is-not-going-away/737695 "2015-11-16T14:34:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 349
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-islam-is-not-going-away/737695/349 "2015-12-11T01:02:02Z")
> [@Look, Islam is not the enemy](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-islam-is-not-the-enemy/738644/273): > > A small number? How do you make this determination? By looking at the actual numbers from organizations such as the Pew and Gallop pollsters. > [@Look, Islam is not the enemy](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-islam-is-not-the-enemy/738644/273): > > Oh this is rich. So sharia courts enforcing sharia have nothing to do with sharia. Impeccable logic! Sharia is the word to identify judicial philosophy. There is no one “Sharia” that guides all Islam. People who want to natter on about the subject should be aware of this. The version of Sharia that a few immigrant communities look to is one that came into Britain with rural Pakistani refugees. Any realistic study of Islam in Britain in the early 21st century will demonstrate that fact. > [@Look, Islam is not the enemy](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-islam-is-not-the-enemy/738644/273): > > “rural cultural interpretation of Sharia law”? Where do you get this crap? You should realize that your denialist assertions such as this are no closer to the truth than those who learn about Islam from the EDL, and harp on and on about “taquiya”. You are every bit as misinformed as they are, you too have been manipulated into a state of ignorance by those with a political agenda. Nope. You are the one displaying utter ignorance of the topic or politically motivated “information.” > [@Look, Islam is not the enemy](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-islam-is-not-the-enemy/738644/273): > > Tell me, which of the four schools of Sunni jurisprudence used in sharia courts is “rural”. How could you possibly imagine that the different treatment of women and men under sharia is “rural” when those interpretations emanate from religious institutions in cities like Mecca, Cairo, and Islamabad? The topic was the imposition of (some form of) sharia on Muslim women in Britain. The reality is that this only occurs within the communities of Muslims who recently immigrated from rural Pakistan. Do try to actually follow the discussion. You appear to have based your claims that Pakistani uimmigrants are not from rural communities on your impression that they speak English. However, a review of the [actual immigrant populations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Pakistanis#Azad_Kashmiris) notes that largest number of immigrants are actually form rural areas surrounding cities, rather from the cities, themselves. > [@Look, Islam is not the enemy](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-islam-is-not-the-enemy/738644/273): > > Who has claimed that “all British Muslim women” are being suppressed? Did you see any qualifiers such as “Some Muslim women” or “women in Pakistani immigrant communities” in the posts by T.M.? His claim was that Sharia was preventing Muslim women from enjoying the rights of inhabitants of Britain. He made no distinction regarding which women were being oppressed. > [@Look, Islam is not the enemy](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-islam-is-not-the-enemy/738644/273): > > The denialist rhetoric that you regularly propagate contributes heavily to the popularity of politicians and parties like the EDL, Le Pen, Trump, ect. When they are the only ones discussing such a serious and obvious set of problems, it is entirely predicable that a percentage of the unsophisticated electorate will be attracted to the message, and will disregard the messages of those who purport to advocate human rights but dismiss, deflect, and minimize violations of human rights when the violators make inconvenient political enemies. This is ludicrous. I do not deny the presence of problems with the use of Sharia within communities and explicitly noted that it occurs. You, on the other hand, support the EDL and Trump and others who want to issue broad-based condemnations with no nuance and no examination of the actual reality. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-islam-is-not-going-away/737695)._