Absolutely. Rather more of it, actually.
. . . Eh? Weren’t there? Seem to recall some such thing from the news this morning.
Of course they would; but, the risk would not be the same from one race to another.
But that’s not how you started the thread: you said that what happened to a black person would not have happened if the person had been white.
Look, we all know that if you start a statement with “Look, we all know that…” you’re just begging people to disagree with you.
I worked with a (white) guy about 10 years ago that wound up getting shot by the cops in very rural Montana under essentially similar circumstances-- he was unarmed, but was a huge dude (and very likely under the influence of various things) and for reasons we’ll never know he tried to grab the cop’s gun, who in turn shot him multiple times before he actually went down. There was a coroner’s inquest (which is standard with police shootings in the state) but it was pretty much a rubber stamp, and it certainly didn’t attract any media attention beyond a couple of articles in the small paper in the nearest little town.
I think both in the case of my old co-worker and from what I’ve read of the case in the news now, the officers showed poor judgement in allowing themselves to get into the situation, but by the time the shots were actually fired things had been allowed to get to a point that there was little other choice.
No, I said “probably,” in the first clause of the sentence, and I chose that word for a reason, just as I chose the word “certainly” in the second clause.
In fact, the case probably would have led to state legislation expressly forbidding neighborhood watch volunteers to carry guns while on duty – or, at least, such legislation would have been introduced; but then the NRA would have weighed in . . .
He just goes further and further into the rabbit hole…
Have you looked at the transcripts provided in the link posted by Chief Pedant?
Based on the documentation of autopsy results and detailed witness interviews and grand jury transcripts, I find it hard to believe this was taken lightly by the investigative authorities.
Please tell me why you think they went “easy” on Wilson?
What saved him was having lots of money in a basically plutocratic society. when the money ran out he did go to prison.
Of course. But he was black, therefore the public sentiment was that there should be a public show to rub it in the collective face of black men that their lives have no value. The same thing this grand jury’s refusal to even indict a cop for killing a black guy was about, really; they wanted to make sure that message was sent.
I agree with this. Brown was a big guy who used his size to bully and intimidate. I don’t care what color you are, if you attack me and you’re built like a tackle for the Baltimore Ravens, the gun is coming out.
Are you serious (re: OJ)? The crime he is doing time for isn’t the same one he was acquitted of in 1995. Apples and oranges. He was acquitted of double murder, but is now serving his time for robbery and kidnapping in a completely unrelated crime to the first trial.
Based on Robert McCulloch’s history, that is, and his assignment to this case cannot have had nothing to do with that.
Remind me of the last time a white man shot a white man in self-defense and there was a national outcry and marches demanding his arrest.
I didn’t realize the cry to to indict Wilson was coming from the white community.
Brain Glutton, the narrative you promoting exists. It has some elements of validity.
But the stronger narrative perceived by most in the white community is that the problem of strong-arm policing toward blacks is not a consequence of color, per se. It’s a consequence of hoodlums like Michael Brown. Bullies, petty thieves and general belligerants are too common within the black community.
Neither Jesse Jackson nor Al Sharpton would make the mistake of wandering around a poor black community at night, alone. Those of us (in my case, inner city trauma ward experience) who cannot possibly understand what it’s like to be black do not nevertheless see an issue more fundamental to failure in the black community than the large scale with which lawlessness seems to exist there. I cannot imagine what it is like for an ordinary black citizen to live in those communities, and Michael Brown is as much the face of what is wrong as are strong armed police.
I seriously doubt both of your poisoned well statements. That makes your “we all know” statement totally lacking in credibility.
They’re not unknown in the white community, either.
Was not Brown himself an “ordinary black citizen”?
Unless there’s some “good” number of bullies, petty thieves, and general belligerents, then this statement is applicable to every human society ever on earth.
Has the OP heard of the Brandon Ellingson case? I bet he hasn’t. This is a clear case of “death by cop” just down the road from Ferguson, yet there are no riots, no national media calls for justice, no DOJ investigations.
Just a white kid killed, through incompetence and neglect, by a white cop and then an attempt to cover it all up.
Sign the petition if you follow the link. The family could use the help.
:rolleyes: If we’re talking about the Zimmerman case, 1) remember who assaulted whom, 2) remove “self-defense” from your hypothetical, 3) think about it some more and 4) come back.