# Looking for name of '60s stock car driver: Herbert \_\_\_kes **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 5, 2018, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looking-for-name-of-60s-stock-car-driver-herbert-___kes/808202 "2018-02-05T06:04:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looking-for-name-of-60s-stock-car-driver-herbert-___kes/808202/1 "2018-02-05T06:04:24Z")
I think his last name has six letters and the last are definitely ‘kes’. The first three might be ‘Zab’ ‘Jae’, or something completely different. That’s all the info I have. TIA. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Terrific](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tom_terrific/32/342_2.png) [@Tom\_Terrific](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Terrific)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looking-for-name-of-60s-stock-car-driver-herbert-___kes/808202/2 "2018-02-05T13:17:34Z")
If you are positive about the kes ending I have no help. All I can come up with is Herbert (Herb) Thomas. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looking-for-name-of-60s-stock-car-driver-herbert-___kes/808202/3 "2018-02-05T14:30:47Z")
What country? What class? According to the “[Fantasy Racing Cheat Sheet](https://fantasyracingcheatsheet.com/nascar/drivers/historical)” list of all NASCAR drivers that ever made a start from 1949 - Present, the only drivers active in the 60s named “Herb” or “Herbert” were Herbert Scott and Herb Shannon, and the only drivers active in the 60s whose names ended with “-kes” were Ken Spikes and Gene Stokes. ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looking-for-name-of-60s-stock-car-driver-herbert-___kes/808202/4 "2018-02-05T14:54:03Z")
He was a stunt car driver in a movie, and I left the name of the movie at home. I’ll respond with that when I get a chance. It was a movie about stock car racing, and at the end there was a list of the drivers who actually did the driving. I know that most of the drivers were actual racers, but there could have been some that were not racers, but generic stunt car drivers. The only ones I remember off hand were the Marlin brothers, Coo Coo and Jack, who were definitely racers. There was one name I couldn’t make out because of the background (and my crappy old tube TV). I’m certain that the first name was Herbert and the last name ended in ‘kes,’ whoever he was. (And if you’re wondering why I’m trying to find this–I’m and IMDB nerd, and sometimes we can be pretty OCD completists where credits are concerned.) ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looking-for-name-of-60s-stock-car-driver-herbert-___kes/808202/5 "2018-02-05T17:12:18Z")
> [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](#): > > He was a stunt car driver in a movie, and I left the name of the movie at home. The Green Helmet The Young Racers Viva Las Vegas The Lively Set The Great Race Redline 7000 Fireball 500 Spinout Grand Prix Hell On Wheels Fever Heat Speedway The Love Bug Those Daring Young Men in Their Jaunty Jalopies Winning Pit Stop Is it any one of those? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looking-for-name-of-60s-stock-car-driver-herbert-___kes/808202/6 "2018-02-05T17:54:12Z")
Since this is about a movie, let’s move it to Cafe Society. Colibri General Questions Moderator ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looking-for-name-of-60s-stock-car-driver-herbert-___kes/808202/7 "2018-02-05T18:40:30Z")
I’m guessing the movie is “Track of Thunder,” based on the time period and the fact Coo Coo Marlin has a credit in it, but I can’t seem to find anything more about it, or even a version of it I can watch on the internet to fast forward to the credits. ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looking-for-name-of-60s-stock-car-driver-herbert-___kes/808202/8 "2018-02-05T18:57:28Z")
^^Probably. ---
**Author:** ![bibliophage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bibliophage/32/7615_2.png) [@bibliophage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bibliophage)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looking-for-name-of-60s-stock-car-driver-herbert-___kes/808202/9 "2018-02-05T19:02:56Z")
I’m not sure how much it will help, but here are the most common U.S. surnames of six letters ending in -kes, based on data from the 2010 census, in order starting with the most common: Stokes Wilkes Hawkes Spikes Burkes Frakes Parkes Weekes Backes Yerkes Fickes Stukes Noakes Flakes Folkes Blakes Drakes Tookes Gilkes Heikes Bankes Wickes Meckes Fowkes Jewkes ---
**Author:** ![bibliophage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bibliophage/32/7615_2.png) [@bibliophage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bibliophage)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looking-for-name-of-60s-stock-car-driver-herbert-___kes/808202/10 "2018-02-05T19:13:15Z")
And the most common of five or seven letters, again in order: Sykes Dukes Oakes Dykes Sikes Fowlkes Rakes Lakes Ickes Hakes Fikes Brookes Nokes Lukes Eakes Jakes Kerekes Likes Starkes Mikes Lykes Eckes Foulkes Dierkes Tukes All data from “file B” that can be downloaded from [Frequently Occurring Surnames from the 2010 Census](https://www.census.gov/topics/population/genealogy/data/2010_surnames.html) ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looking-for-name-of-60s-stock-car-driver-herbert-___kes/808202/11 "2018-02-05T19:40:17Z")
Well. . . Interestly there was a Robert Frakes, who was involved in racing during that time frame. Coulda been a credits error. I’ll remember to get a screen cap next time it’s on. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looking-for-name-of-60s-stock-car-driver-herbert-___kes/808202/12 "2018-02-06T00:46:41Z")
> [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](#): > > There was one name I couldn’t make out because of the background (and my crappy old tube TV). What year is your tv from? Cathode ray tube or many tubes like we used to take to the drugstore to test and replace. Are you sure you don’t live in a different dimension? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2018, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looking-for-name-of-60s-stock-car-driver-herbert-___kes/808202/13 "2018-02-06T14:28:47Z")
^^Ha! ‘Tube’ as in CRT. I think its manufacture date is 1998 or so. [And I did confirm that the movie was indeed ‘Track of Thunder.’]