# Looking for volunteers for SDMB APAS **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 16, 2001, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looking-for-volunteers-for-sdmb-apas/93751 "2001-11-16T16:15:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2001, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looking-for-volunteers-for-sdmb-apas/93751/81 "2001-11-19T11:31:44Z")
Yeah, I agree with Yojimbo. This is being as well-recieved as a fox in the henhouse. Consider me still in, Lib, if you wanna keep pushing it forward. But remember… sometimes there are fights that just aren’t worth winning. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2001, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looking-for-volunteers-for-sdmb-apas/93751/82 "2001-11-19T11:44:01Z")
BTW spoofe, I would actually like to co-judge the Pit with you, but you said it best in your last post above. ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2001, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looking-for-volunteers-for-sdmb-apas/93751/83 "2001-11-19T14:25:13Z")
We’re always a bit dubious of any situation where one person or group of people gets all judgmental over another person or group of people, even in fun. At the same time we DO have a forum where you can indulge in a limited amount of that sort of thing; IMHO was set up to be just that, your opinion on things and that could include awards, brickbats, brownie points, whatever. Under those circumstances you can run with something every day if you wanna. It’s your opinion and not a global one and certainly not management-derived or endorsed, though, and I do not foresee us doing such a thing in the future. As I have said before (and will doubtless say again) what really pertains here is what you have to say and how you say it and each post stands on its own merits. Most often that’s enough, more than enough. your humble TubaDiva Administrator ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2001, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looking-for-volunteers-for-sdmb-apas/93751/84 "2001-11-19T18:36:06Z")
Tuba, there is no one, in my opinion, more wise than you on matters such as these. Had I had the slightest inkling that there might exist so many people who would be jealous toward the joy of their peers, I would have approached this in an entirely different way. And that is exactly what I’m going to do. I should have e-mailed you first. Likely, you would have known the state of affairs. Thanks. Thank you to everyone who gave constructive input. Your opinions, including some of the negative ones, were valuable. I give no quarter to the disgusting and infantile success-envy character weakness that you’ve identified, but I see ample evidence that it does, in fact, exist. In spades, apparently. Thank you Ultress, Pun, Twist, WeirdDave, Eris, Jodi, Trade, Anthracite, TechChick, Cartoon, Porcupine, and Yojimbo. And a very special thanks to Kat for your trouble. And a special huge thanks to Spoofe, whose spine alone is worthy of an award. You’re right, Spoofe. This ain’t the hill I want to die on. Not this way. And not here. ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2001, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looking-for-volunteers-for-sdmb-apas/93751/85 "2001-11-19T20:17:20Z")
So you’re calling it off, Lib? ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2001, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looking-for-volunteers-for-sdmb-apas/93751/86 "2001-11-19T22:00:53Z")
Just in the sense of this particular format, Eris. As I said, I intend to do this. But on Tuba’s advice, which I trust completely, it will need to be done a different way, and I have some ideas. Check your e-mail. ---
**Author:** ![Slip\_Mahoney](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47774/32.png) [@Slip\_Mahoney](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slip_Mahoney)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2001, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looking-for-volunteers-for-sdmb-apas/93751/87 "2001-11-19T22:23:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > \*\*Yeah, Slip. It’s a know fact that throughout history, the value of ideas has been faithfully and accurately measured by majority consensus. > \*\* I’m not one to hop aboard a majority bandwagon, **Lib** , but your remark, along with this one > [@](#): > > Had I had the slightest inkling that there might exist so many people who would be jealous toward the joy of their peers serves as an indicator on how you perceive the majority on this board. That’s no surprise. You’ve made that abundantly clear on numerous occassions. What did surprise me is that you made this remark _after_ **Fenris** gave you some excellent reasons why he did not want to participate. I have no axe to grind here. I’m new. I’m vanilla. I certainly would not be in the running for even a mention in these proceedings. And I’m fine with that. I’m not fine with mob rule. But I’m not fine with elitism, either. Even if your idea has merit, (and it well may) you’re the wrong man for the job. This is not a statement of fact. It’s just an opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2001, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looking-for-volunteers-for-sdmb-apas/93751/88 "2001-11-19T23:14:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > \*\*…Had I had the slightest inkling that there might exist so many people who would be jealous toward the joy of their peers… > > …I give no quarter to the disgusting and infantile success-envy character weakness that you’ve identified…\*\* Again, you have shown why I do not trust your judgement. You fail to see the forest for the trees. I am one who objected to the idea, and I challenge you to show me any evidence that indicates that I am “jealous” or “envious.” ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2001, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looking-for-volunteers-for-sdmb-apas/93751/89 "2001-11-20T00:42:06Z")
Several quotes by Libertarian, from this very thread: > [@](#): > > If you want to bow out, due to the pressures from Euty and others, please feel free. No need to offer any sort of apology or excuse. It ain’t nothin’ but a thang. I understand there can be reasons you might fear doing this. Pressure? Fear? What sort of a jab at Euty is this? I am not aware of the history between the two of you, and I frankly don’t care about it either. I’m just the local sherrif in this forum. And I’m telling you to take personal attacks to the appropriate forum. > [@](#): > > I don’t think you necessarily did it deliberately, Euty [_applying pressure - CF_]. But it’s really no secret that I’m not exactly one of your [favorite](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=1335362#post1335362) [posters](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=1640089#post1640089). Whoa there. Where the hell did that come from? Another veiled personal insult, based on unrelated stuff from the past. Again, you will knock that shit off in my forum. > [@](#): > > And let’s face it, you can’t have it both ways. You express a concern over people getting hurt somehow by not seeing their names on a list. (Nevermind that this was not a consideration when you developed your own list, previously cited.) I don’t know who these people might be, other than people who are prone to jealousy and resentment over the acknowledged achievements of others. It’s easy to see how a fear, born of the same character weakness, might befall these unfortunates when they see a moderator taking a side. > > Yes, most of us can separate moderation from posting. But can people do this who cannot separate recognition of someone else from condemnation of themselves? My goodness, it’s shooting fish in a barrel here. Repeat last comment, please. I don’t care how cleverly you disguise it. It won’t happen here. Period. > [@](#): > > It is remarkable to me that there actually do exist people (at least in the imaginations of some) who might take offense at this inoffensive project. Ah, people disagree with the possible outcomes of your plan, so therefore they’re making things up! Brilliant. And another no-no to be added to the list. > [@](#): > > It honestly never occured to me that those who might be so recognized ought to forego any such honor for the benefit of those whose character is so weak that they share the sentiments of Genghis Kahn. Ah, the plot thickens. People expressing disagreement are now certainly proponents of the “It is not enough that I succeed, others must suffer as well” school of thinking. Ironically, just before that, you say: > [@](#): > > I’m afraid the project (at least as originally conceived) is likely doomed to die. It seems much easier to jump on a wagon running downhill than to step in front of it and try to stop it. > > I don’t visit a lot of threads in MPSIMS unless they really catch my eye. But I do hope that people don’t crash the threads that praise others and recognize excellence. It would be the epitome, in my view, of immaturity and weak character. I’d say self-crowned martyrdom is a sign of immaturity and weak character. But hey, who am I? I’m just here to tell you to knock off the veiled insults at those who happen to disagree with you. I’ll skip the post towards Euty for which you apologised. Fair is fair. > [@](#): > > It’s a know fact that throughout history, the value of ideas has been faithfully and accurately measured by majority consensus. While this was no doubt intended with sarcasm, it’s actually the damn truth. Make of that what you will, but IMHO your format needs a lot of fine tuning. At the very least. > [@](#): > > I give no quarter to the disgusting and infantile success-envy character weakness that you’ve identified, but I see ample evidence that it does, in fact, exist. In spades, apparently. Funny, I didn’t see anyone posting anything remotely identifying of such a character weakness. Maybe it’s just you? **Libertarian** , I have no particular stance on the APAS Project as a moderator of this forum. I do think it could be refined to a better form, and I generally think popularity contests are not the world’s greatest plan anyway. But that doesn’t mean you can’t try. What I **am** telling you, is that your posting behaviour in this thread does **not** satisfy the rules of this forum. Particularly, your insults at Eutychus55 (albeit veiled at times) struck a wrong chord with me. If you wish to address posters in that manner, you shall do so in the appropriate forum. Since you have acknowledged yourself that this particular concept will not take place, I am closing this thread. Coldfire for MPSIMS [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looking-for-volunteers-for-sdmb-apas/93751.md?page=4)