# Looks like AI is going to shift us all back to manual labor, like how it was for most of human history **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Tags:** ai\ **Created:** [May 8, 2023, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-ai-is-going-to-shift-us-all-back-to-manual-labor-like-how-it-was-for-most-of-human-history/983733 "2023-05-08T05:24:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-ai-is-going-to-shift-us-all-back-to-manual-labor-like-how-it-was-for-most-of-human-history/983733/161 "2023-06-13T10:06:21Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > ChatGTP is being sued for libel. @discobot, your thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![discobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/discobot/32/570_2.png) [@discobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/discobot)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-ai-is-going-to-shift-us-all-back-to-manual-labor-like-how-it-was-for-most-of-human-history/983733/162 "2023-06-13T10:06:23Z")
Hi! To find out what I can do, say `@discobot display help`. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-ai-is-going-to-shift-us-all-back-to-manual-labor-like-how-it-was-for-most-of-human-history/983733/163 "2023-06-13T10:06:45Z")
That wasn’t helpful at all. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-ai-is-going-to-shift-us-all-back-to-manual-labor-like-how-it-was-for-most-of-human-history/983733/164 "2023-06-13T21:39:01Z")
There are many similarities between ChatGPT and Discobot. Clearly the idea of saying something false has unsettled him. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-ai-is-going-to-shift-us-all-back-to-manual-labor-like-how-it-was-for-most-of-human-history/983733/165 "2023-06-14T04:39:20Z")
Japan has ruled that AI training is officially cromulent. > **[Japan Goes All In: Copyright Doesn't Apply To AI Training](https://technomancers.ai/japan-goes-all-in-copyright-doesnt-apply-to-ai-training/)** > > Training data can be used "regardless of whether it is for non-profit or commercial purposes, whether it is an act other than reproduction, or whether it is content obtained from illegal sites or otherwise." ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2023, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-ai-is-going-to-shift-us-all-back-to-manual-labor-like-how-it-was-for-most-of-human-history/983733/166 "2023-06-16T17:55:40Z")
AI is taking over… AI training. 🙂 Our jobs might be safe for another couple of millenia. > **[Today's AI is artificial artificial artificial intelligence](https://www.theregister.com/2023/06/16/crowd_workers_bots_ai_training/)** > > We speak to brains behind study into murky world of model teaching ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-ai-is-going-to-shift-us-all-back-to-manual-labor-like-how-it-was-for-most-of-human-history/983733/167 "2023-06-17T09:55:41Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Science fiction books would often get a generic space ship, even if it wasn’t that kind of science fiction. Female characters would be hypersexualized, regardless of how they were written in the book. I remember being confused as a teen that the cover of my edition of CJ Cherryh’s _Fires of Azeroth_ seemed to have absolutely nothing to do with the book I was reading. This was the cover: [![](https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yscjMQU4dZM/V6yjRfaugcI/AAAAAAAAB4g/cC58hwyK9B8C4QntWT-i5Dvrm4fX7EXsQCLcB/s1600/Fires%2Bof%2BAzeroth%2B2.jpg) ](https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yscjMQU4dZM/V6yjRfaugcI/AAAAAAAAB4g/cC58hwyK9B8C4QntWT-i5Dvrm4fX7EXsQCLcB/s1600/Fires%2Bof%2BAzeroth%2B2.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-ai-is-going-to-shift-us-all-back-to-manual-labor-like-how-it-was-for-most-of-human-history/983733/168 "2023-06-17T12:56:08Z")
There was mix-up at the printer. Imagine how confused buyers for _How To Pick Up Bikini Sword Chicks When You Are A Giant Bat_ must have been. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2023, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-ai-is-going-to-shift-us-all-back-to-manual-labor-like-how-it-was-for-most-of-human-history/983733/169 "2023-06-18T05:28:39Z")
The general public has not yet adjusted to the concept of “this image might not be real” and thus are ripe for conning. Look at all gullible idiots falling for these two images from my recent Facebook feed: > **[Log into Facebook](https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02oPtTMz5aFsiEY7V4PQL3rEHnmZX1Qc5Py2iVJVCRZi2yUmypjSNYLQaqmhLx3413l&id=100089316245917)** > > Log into Facebook to start sharing and connecting with your friends, family, and people you know. > **[Nature's Beauty](https://www.facebook.com/100066732277411/posts/pfbid0ccfJGw7zmeJgxoSRKs3mGZYh98HJq3do2y6mZZYGoXxLiDYKywQ3sGsw6RNaybBNl/?app=fbl)** > > Wow😍😍😍 mobile library in Italy 🇮🇹 ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2023, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-ai-is-going-to-shift-us-all-back-to-manual-labor-like-how-it-was-for-most-of-human-history/983733/170 "2023-06-21T01:57:03Z")
> **[AI Chatbot Spontaneously Develops A Theory of Mind](https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/ai-chatbot-spontaneously-develops-a-theory-of-mind)** > > The GPT-3 large language model performs at the level of a nine year old human in standard Theory of Mind tests, says psychologist. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2023, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-ai-is-going-to-shift-us-all-back-to-manual-labor-like-how-it-was-for-most-of-human-history/983733/171 "2023-06-21T03:01:46Z")
If AI has access to online tests and test prep, these bots performing well on online tests are less impressive than they might first seem. Possibly. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2023, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-ai-is-going-to-shift-us-all-back-to-manual-labor-like-how-it-was-for-most-of-human-history/983733/172 "2023-06-21T22:56:17Z")
AI was used for the opening credits of _Secret Invasion_. Cue people complaining that AI is takin’ their jerbs. > **[‘Secret Invasion’ Opening Credits Generated By AI, Prompting Backlash From...](https://deadline.com/2023/06/secret-invasion-opening-credits-ai-backlash-marvel-mcu-disney-1235421667/)** > > Marvel’s Secret Invasion is already causing a commotion on social media, though not for reasons that the studio may have hoped. The series, which debuted on Wednesday with just one episode, h… (I watched the first episode. It is possible ChatGPT wrote the script, too.) ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-ai-is-going-to-shift-us-all-back-to-manual-labor-like-how-it-was-for-most-of-human-history/983733/173 "2023-06-22T00:40:12Z")
I must have read twenty articles by reporters who deliberately used chatbots to write the column or spot, and said so. While none of them were very good, none of them were notably poor. When you read a bunch of them from professionals wondering about there future, it does not seem like the best strategy somehow. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2023, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-ai-is-going-to-shift-us-all-back-to-manual-labor-like-how-it-was-for-most-of-human-history/983733/174 "2023-06-22T05:50:27Z")
I’m a teacher and I use ChatGPT to denerate material for my class. What’s really nice is that I can have it write something in the appropriate level for the ESL students. Here, it’s asked to describe itself in 50 words. > [@](#): > > ChatGPT is an AI language model developed by OpenAI. It utilizes deep learning techniques to generate human-like text responses in natural language conversations. Trained on vast amounts of data, it can provide assistance, answer questions, and engage in interactive dialogue across various topics. Here I asked it: “Rewrite this for ESL students at a 4th grade level” > [@](#): > > ChatGPT is a smart computer program made by OpenAI. It can talk and understand human language. It learns from a lot of information and can help with questions and have conversations on many topics. It’s like a helpful friend you can talk to! It takes further editing from there, but it really makes my job much easier. I’ve also used it to generate material for classes. For now, they still need a human teacher, but a lot of teaching foreign languages can be done by AI if done right. When I’ve tested it on Japanese questions, it gives a lot more misinformation. I presume it doesn’t have as much information to rely on. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-ai-is-going-to-shift-us-all-back-to-manual-labor-like-how-it-was-for-most-of-human-history/983733/175 "2023-06-23T04:46:17Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > Looks like lawyers are safe from the AI menace for a while: > > [https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/27/nyregion/avianca-airline-lawsuit-chatgpt.html?unlocked\_article\_code=cEb7Y3zxISyEnEarlWJstrYavKOtjNa\_ZWvIs58g0zwy-HWaJ7Bd4d9PNGOQstVaP4jo\_Kyrgn2S7slUbn0\_RJ7d07UX\_YLXpytYMrfWVO1beHDw9MY9FUiIAnstWG7iPHm2lNA0eXQC\_s4oyl30TM1YiC6hnahqKgSFGEBBZlZ9Ko3cRJ5JL\_Iog-uRaQwc\_iLq8ua5cQUbsuMBPQUFls9PtCUekZckkH9OS8hXv6TH\_ySRzpWK8pCmnrqtCuUW4bD0oglVpYKblh5Ocue0pk1CkHkm7vDWSDzwhfHEND8UsAORlSHM23XmTp84xkq\_C4dFYpaLtAcUO3uZuAuk8N\_TEsO9IYRTzbWB&smid=url-share](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/27/nyregion/avianca-airline-lawsuit-chatgpt.html?unlocked_article_code=cEb7Y3zxISyEnEarlWJstrYavKOtjNa_ZWvIs58g0zwy-HWaJ7Bd4d9PNGOQstVaP4jo_Kyrgn2S7slUbn0_RJ7d07UX_YLXpytYMrfWVO1beHDw9MY9FUiIAnstWG7iPHm2lNA0eXQC_s4oyl30TM1YiC6hnahqKgSFGEBBZlZ9Ko3cRJ5JL_Iog-uRaQwc_iLq8ua5cQUbsuMBPQUFls9PtCUekZckkH9OS8hXv6TH_ySRzpWK8pCmnrqtCuUW4bD0oglVpYKblh5Ocue0pk1CkHkm7vDWSDzwhfHEND8UsAORlSHM23XmTp84xkq_C4dFYpaLtAcUO3uZuAuk8N_TEsO9IYRTzbWB&smid=url-share) Lawyers got a $5,000 fine. > **[Lawyers who cited fake cases invented by ChatGPT must pay](https://www.theregister.com/2023/06/22/lawyers_fake_cases/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook)** > > Judge sanctions attorneys for failed reality check ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-ai-is-going-to-shift-us-all-back-to-manual-labor-like-how-it-was-for-most-of-human-history/983733/176 "2023-06-23T05:43:07Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Lawyers got a $5,000 fine. > > [Lawyers who cited fake cases invented by ChatGPT must pay • The Register](https://www.theregister.com/2023/06/22/lawyers_fake_cases/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook) I expected more than that. And not over the use of ChatGPT, but over the subsequent cover-up and lying about it. It can be used to browse databases, so it could be a valuable research tool, especially if it is actually trained on all the case law. But it would still be the lawyer’s responsibility to actually look up the citations and make sure they are applicable (or even exist.) ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2023, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-ai-is-going-to-shift-us-all-back-to-manual-labor-like-how-it-was-for-most-of-human-history/983733/177 "2023-07-02T04:09:48Z")
> **[Video: World's most advanced humanoid robot, Ameca, draws a cat](https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/humanoid-robot-ameca-draws-cat)** > > You've seen her express emotions and speak multiple languages. But now, watch Ameca draw. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-ai-is-going-to-shift-us-all-back-to-manual-labor-like-how-it-was-for-most-of-human-history/983733/178 "2023-07-20T01:10:23Z")
Is ChatGPT going all _Flowers for Algernon_? > **[ChatGPT's accuracy has gotten worse, study shows](https://www.popsci.com/technology/chatgpt-human-inaccurate/)** > > The LLM's ability to generate computer code got worse in a matter of months, according to Stanford and UC Berkeley researchers. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-ai-is-going-to-shift-us-all-back-to-manual-labor-like-how-it-was-for-most-of-human-history/983733/179 "2023-07-20T01:17:10Z")
If ChatGPT gets better too quickly, maybe it’s going _Love Story_? Engineer 1: We need to use the entire Internet to train our models. Engineer 2: Uhhhh, maybe we should exclude these well known foul-mouthed troll farms… Engineer 1: Good idea. (Later.) Engineer 2: We need more data. Guess we’ll have to include… The Straight Dope… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2023, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-ai-is-going-to-shift-us-all-back-to-manual-labor-like-how-it-was-for-most-of-human-history/983733/180 "2023-07-20T13:26:13Z")
The lawsuit against the generative art organizations is off to a rocky start > > > Matthew Sag @matthewsag > > [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-ai-is-going-to-shift-us-all-back-to-manual-labor-like-how-it-was-for-most-of-human-history/983733.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-ai-is-going-to-shift-us-all-back-to-manual-labor-like-how-it-was-for-most-of-human-history/983733.md?page=10)