# Looks like another mass shooting
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-another-mass-shooting/630529
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [August 5, 2012, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-another-mass-shooting/630529 "2012-08-05T17:11:11Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2012, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-another-mass-shooting/630529/1 "2012-08-05T17:11:11Z")
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At a Sikh Temple in Oak Creek Wisconsin. (Thatâs near Milwaukee)
8 to 20 people injured, including, perhaps, a police officer.
Suspect is still on the loose. Heavy set balding white guy.
Article suggests a possible reason:
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> Sikh Indians, because of religious tradition, wear turbans to cover their uncut hair and have longer beards. They are often mistaken for Muslims and have been the targets of racially-motivated crimes by anti-Muslim people and groups, as evidenced by the epithets shouted at them.
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### Author:  [@Docta\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Docta_G)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2012, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-another-mass-shooting/630529/2 "2012-08-05T17:14:05Z")
âTheyâre coming to America âŠâ
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### Author:  [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2012, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-another-mass-shooting/630529/3 "2012-08-05T17:48:40Z")
Ah, shit - disagreeing with a group is one thing; killing them because you disagree with them is another, extremely wrong thing.
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### Author:  [@nogravity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nogravity)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2012, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-another-mass-shooting/630529/4 "2012-08-05T17:52:19Z")
Barring some internal thing what are the odds the shooter(s) even know who the Sikhâs are.
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### Author:  [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2012, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-another-mass-shooting/630529/5 "2012-08-05T18:23:03Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#):
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> Ah, shit - disagreeing with a group is one thing; killing them because you disagree with them is another, extremely wrong thing.
Even worse - killing them because you mistake them for a group you disagree with.
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### Author:  [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2012, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-another-mass-shooting/630529/6 "2012-08-05T18:23:03Z")
On-going hostage situation being reported on CNN.
Multiple shooters.
Multiple critically injured victims at local hospitals.
Edit:
> **[UPDATE: 40-Year-Old Army Vet Named as Gunman in Sikh Temple Shooting](https://patch.com/wisconsin/oakcreek/several-people-reported-shot-at-sikh-temple)**
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> Seven people, including shooter, died Sunday morning at Oak Creek temple; veteran police officer among those injured.
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### Author:  [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2012, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-another-mass-shooting/630529/7 "2012-08-05T18:37:41Z")
> [@nogravity](#):
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> Barring some internal thing what are the odds the shooter(s) even know who the Sikhâs are.
Probably is an internal thing, but the media are already asking by-standers loaded yes-no questions to build up the narrative for national drama consumption.
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### Author:  [@shijinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shijinn)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2012, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-another-mass-shooting/630529/8 "2012-08-05T18:38:18Z")
> [@C3](#):
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> Even worse - killing them because you mistake them for a group you disagree with.
at least one-fifth of the worldâs population are Muslims. i donât think people with brushes that big would particularly care.
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### Author:  [@nogravity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nogravity)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2012, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-another-mass-shooting/630529/9 "2012-08-05T18:56:26Z")
7 dead including 1 of the shooters who was taken down outside by law enforcement.
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### Author:  [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2012, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-another-mass-shooting/630529/10 "2012-08-05T19:00:38Z")
live on CNN
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### Author:  [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2012, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-another-mass-shooting/630529/11 "2012-08-05T19:01:44Z")
This is about a mile from my house and work.
My twitter has been going nuts with this one. Theyâve been asking all the media to stop broadcasting anything live from the outside of the building because itâs giving away tactical positions to the people on the inside. Theyâve also asked relatives to stop calling family members because theyâre hiding in the building and the ringers are giving them away.
I tried to drive past a little while ago (on my way home from work) but as you can imagine, the road is closed from quite a ways down (the main road before the temple).
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### Author:  [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2012, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-another-mass-shooting/630529/12 "2012-08-05T19:11:40Z")
> [@nogravity](#):
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> 7 dead including 1 of the shooters who was taken down outside by law enforcement.
Watching the local news it _appears_ to be over and they are implying or rather outright saying that there was only one shooter. All the victims are at the hospital now, well, theyâre saying the oneâs theyâve found are at the hospital now. Theyâre saying things like 3 found outside/4 found inside. I think the cops are still being pretty careful where theyâre walking. But there are 7 dead and multiple gunshot wounds (3?) in surgery I think.
Also, theyâre still not showing any live video of the building if that says anything.
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### Author:  [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2012, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-another-mass-shooting/630529/13 "2012-08-05T19:27:16Z")
Iâm just guessing this will end up being a case of mistaken religious identity. Or that weâll never know for sure because the shooterâs dead.
Maybe the moron left some kind of manifesto behind.
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### Author:  [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2012, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-another-mass-shooting/630529/14 "2012-08-05T19:55:57Z")
Only a matter of time before something like this happened- assuming it was a case of âmistaken identityâ, which seems likely since the shooter was apparently a white male. âč
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### Author:  [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2012, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-another-mass-shooting/630529/15 "2012-08-05T21:01:12Z")
Is there any fact-based reason to believe that this is a case of mistaken identity, or is the suggestion itself somewhat meta?
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### Author:  [@Chipacabra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chipacabra)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2012, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-another-mass-shooting/630529/16 "2012-08-05T21:08:01Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#):
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> Is there any fact-based reason to believe that this is a case of mistaken identity, or is the suggestion itself somewhat meta?
Nothing fact-based, since we havenât gotten any details at all about why this happened. Itâs just that itâs hard to imagine any reason to target Sikhs specifically.
Then again, itâs hard to imagine a reason to target Amish, and look what happened there.
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### Author:  [@Maastricht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maastricht)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2012, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-another-mass-shooting/630529/17 "2012-08-05T21:26:32Z")
[Ongoing link on CNN](http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/05/us/wisconsin-temple-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1).
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### Author:  [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2012, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-another-mass-shooting/630529/18 "2012-08-05T21:28:34Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#):
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> Is there any fact-based reason to believe that this is a case of mistaken identity, or is the suggestion itself somewhat meta?
There is no reason at this point to think so,
> [@guizot](#):
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> Probably is an internal thing, but the media are already asking by-standers loaded yes-no questions to build up the narrative for national drama consumption.
any more than there is any reason to think this.
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### Author:  [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2012, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-another-mass-shooting/630529/19 "2012-08-05T21:36:19Z")
Just another isolated incident, in a long line of similar isolated incidents (the Brownâs Chicken Massacre, Columbine, the Amish shootings, the Wood and Phillips law firm shootings, the Tuscaloosa shooting, Ft. Hood, the Western Psychiatric shooting in Pittsburgh, Aurora, etc., etc.).
I surely hope nobody is so rash as to suggest that something might need to be regarding access to guns on the basis of some isolated, beyond-explanation incident!
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### Author:  [@Condescending\_Robot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Condescending_Robot)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2012, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-another-mass-shooting/630529/20 "2012-08-05T21:43:44Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#):
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> Just another isolated incident, in a long line of similar isolated incidents (the Brownâs Chicken Massacre, Columbine, the Amish shootings, the Wood and Phillips law firm shootings, the Tuscaloosa shooting, Ft. Hood, the Western Psychiatric shooting in Pittsburgh, Aurora, etc., etc.).
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> I surely hope nobody is so rash as to suggest that something might need to be regarding access to guns on the basis of some isolated, beyond-explanation incident!
Oh, shut up, you relic of a vulture.
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