# Looks like umkay is back, so we may as well get this thread started... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 15, 2013, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-umkay-is-back-so-we-may-as-well-get-this-thread-started/663570 "2013-07-15T16:39:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-umkay-is-back-so-we-may-as-well-get-this-thread-started/663570/401 "2013-07-16T17:44:08Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > Imagine for a moment that **Cinnamon Imp** ’s 2PM meeting with jaymac had actually happened, and had verified that this was a real person - and the story was substantially genuine. > > We’d then have been in a position where a moderately vulnerable person came here for help and was met with terrible hostility, scorn and mocking. But, **Cinn** woulda made a friend. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-umkay-is-back-so-we-may-as-well-get-this-thread-started/663570/402 "2013-07-16T17:44:14Z")
> [@Tequila\_Party](#): > > The similar first post, the similar circumstances, the similar name to another poster here, the similar behavior. Taken as a whole, it seems pretty telling. I am fairly confident that the similarity to my real name, as slight as it was, was nothing more than a coincidence. And I never thought for a minute that this was Umkay reborn. His/her manner of discussing their spinal cord injury was very telling, IMO. It sounded like exactly what it was: a naïve person with no actual real-world experience with SCI just trying to bs a bunch of anonymous people online with a thin cover-story. I’m a little sad that it ended so quickly, however. ☹ T’was fun. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-umkay-is-back-so-we-may-as-well-get-this-thread-started/663570/403 "2013-07-16T17:45:16Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > No, it wasn’t that what it was, was this: > > Imagine for a moment that **Cinnamon Imp** ’s 2PM meeting with jaymac had actually happened, and had verified that this was a real person - and the story was substantially genuine. > > We’d then have been in a position where a moderately vulnerable person came here for help and was met with terrible hostility, scorn and mocking. > > That was pretty much the whole of my concern. Ahh - so your problem is that you are a nice guy. Man, are YOU fucked! 😛 > [@](#): > > I didn’t ever feel personally under attack - I was very concerned about the ongoing feeding frenzy though, if it had turned out to be unwarranted. Not to know your mindset better than you, but sometimes I find it worse if I feel my “position” - rather than me personally - is being attacked. Can’t think of a good example right now, but I remember instances where I would make a limited statement, maybe about only one facet of some wider discussion. And I would think my limited statement has some merit, or was not adequately being considered. I may not have really cared one way or the other when I made that statement, but if my statement is either ignored, misconstrued, or dismissed, I have found myself getting more invested in defending that position - far more invested in it than I was when I made it. Kind of a shift in my focus. Does that make any sense? In any event - quit dumping your introspection and desire for possible personal growth on this marvelously trashy thread. It really would be a shame for this trainwreck to result in something positive! 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-umkay-is-back-so-we-may-as-well-get-this-thread-started/663570/404 "2013-07-16T17:45:20Z")
> [@Cinnamon\_Imp](#): > > Missing the reference/tune here, sorry! [Neil Young](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAdtUDaBfRA) ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-umkay-is-back-so-we-may-as-well-get-this-thread-started/663570/405 "2013-07-16T17:47:56Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > His/her manner of discussing their spinal cord injury was very telling, IMO. Wasn’t a “bruised spinal cord” the war injury the guy from Downton Abbey miraculously recovered from (before dying in a car crash)? And Downton Abbey did have an episode or 2 in Scotland… ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-umkay-is-back-so-we-may-as-well-get-this-thread-started/663570/406 "2013-07-16T17:48:16Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > I am fairly confident that the similarity to my real name, as slight as it was, was nothing more than a coincidence. I actually think he might’ve known your name and then used it by accident. [Cryptomnesia.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptomnesia) ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-umkay-is-back-so-we-may-as-well-get-this-thread-started/663570/407 "2013-07-16T17:51:07Z")
> [@Cinnamon\_Imp](#): > > Time for ScotDopeFest2…? I’m up for that, date allowing. ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-umkay-is-back-so-we-may-as-well-get-this-thread-started/663570/408 "2013-07-16T17:53:13Z")
> [@deltasigma](#): > > I think I might be suffering from post-trollum depression. I really am _sigh_ > [@Acsenray](#): > > Aha! No true Scot eats sweetened porridge. Fuckin’ nicked. Ah, the old “no true Scotsman” fallacy. Oddly enough, I like the [sweet cinnamon](http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=264216888) variety from Tesco 😉 > [@Mangetout](#): > > I agree, but as I said earlier (in this or one of the other related threads), I didn’t see a lot of skepticism. I saw suspicion and cynicism - which are not the same thing. > > Skepticism is about drawing conclusions well supported by evidence - that seems nearly the _opposite_ of what happened here. There was evidence, you just didn’t recognise it. Trust me. The language mistakes and inconsistences, the fact there are no separate colleges equivalent to the English 6th form here, the lack of anyone with the surname existing, I wasn’t \*just \* witch-hunting jaymie for the sake of it. > [@Marley23](#): > > That’s possible, and I was concerned that could happen (in general, not with the meeting). But then again maybe a real person would have understood why posters were skeptical. Oh, I had real doubt this morning when s/he called my bluff and actually agreed to meet. You have no idea how relieved I was to get there and see a near deserted coffee shop. > [@PaulParkhead](#): > > I’m up for that. Probably best to avoid Waxy’s this time. That wasn’t the best idea I ever had. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Doing it after a 5k wasn’t my best idea either! ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-umkay-is-back-so-we-may-as-well-get-this-thread-started/663570/409 "2013-07-16T17:55:47Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > I wonder if there’s a troll forum out there where people swap tales? I wonder too - hey, **etv78** , is there? > [@kayaker](#): > > But, **Cinn** woulda made a friend. If she’d really looked like the peroxide duck-face in the selfie, we would \*not \*have been friends. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-umkay-is-back-so-we-may-as-well-get-this-thread-started/663570/410 "2013-07-16T17:56:37Z")
Marley, I read your posts just fine. You did encourage everyone to weigh the evidence on their own and come to their own conclusions, and you expressed reservations about calling out the troll so early. If that’s not championing to give umkay 2.0 a chance to you then fine, but to me that’s exactly what I thought was so hilarious. I thought it was funny that you posted what you did, instead of something hilariously snarky like miller did with the “practice” comment in the other thread. Because that’s all obvious trolls deserve is snark, not some noble post about how we should all weigh evidence ourselves and that it isn’t a good idea to just call out an obvious troll early. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-umkay-is-back-so-we-may-as-well-get-this-thread-started/663570/411 "2013-07-16T17:57:52Z")
> [@Capt\_B.Phart](#): > > That pic made my day, I can go back to putting down flooring with a happy heart “You stupid flooring! You’ll never amount to anything! What a waste of perfectly good trees you are!” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-umkay-is-back-so-we-may-as-well-get-this-thread-started/663570/412 "2013-07-16T17:59:20Z")
“You fat, you ugly, ain’t no house ever gonna love you!” ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-umkay-is-back-so-we-may-as-well-get-this-thread-started/663570/413 "2013-07-16T18:01:16Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > If that’s not championing to give umkay 2.0 a chance to you then fine It’s not, but only because that’s not what I said or did. Then again it also wasn’t worth my getting on **Bob Ducca** or **Giraffe** ’s case about. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-umkay-is-back-so-we-may-as-well-get-this-thread-started/663570/414 "2013-07-16T18:12:22Z")
> [@Cinnamon\_Imp](#): > > Time for ScotDopeFest2…? At the Tesco in Rutherglen, I presume? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-umkay-is-back-so-we-may-as-well-get-this-thread-started/663570/415 "2013-07-16T18:27:48Z")
I have a question for all our Scots compatriots on this board. Can I be Scottish too? I have a really boring accent and I want a cool one like yours. I know I’ll have to end my relationship with Siri, because she doesn’t understand Scots, but lately we’ve been growing apart anyway. ---
**Author:** ![MickNickMaggies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/59ef9b/32.png) [@MickNickMaggies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MickNickMaggies)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-umkay-is-back-so-we-may-as-well-get-this-thread-started/663570/416 "2013-07-16T18:28:40Z")
> [@Cinnamon\_Imp](#): > > Ah, the old “no true Scotsman” fallacy. Oddly enough, I like the [sweet cinnamon](http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=264216888) variety from Tesco 😉 I once brought a box of porridge with dried fruit and maple syrup in it to work with me in Dundee. Loads of faces pulled. 😛 : You’re so obviously American. 😉 : Why? Because I know what fruit is? ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-umkay-is-back-so-we-may-as-well-get-this-thread-started/663570/417 "2013-07-16T18:35:44Z")
Bummer. Banninated. Fun while we had it, though. This is why we can’t have nice things. ---
**Author:** ![PaulParkhead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@PaulParkhead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PaulParkhead)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-umkay-is-back-so-we-may-as-well-get-this-thread-started/663570/418 "2013-07-16T18:39:07Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I have a question for all our Scots compatriots on this board. Can I be Scottish too? I have a really boring accent and I want a cool one like yours. I know I’ll have to end my relationship with Siri, because she doesn’t understand Scots, but lately we’ve been growing apart anyway. It’s kind of an exclusive club. Do you like Buckfast? ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-umkay-is-back-so-we-may-as-well-get-this-thread-started/663570/419 "2013-07-16T18:39:50Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > I’m curious about the similarities in the claimed character though. I wonder if there’s a troll forum out there where people swap tales? 4chan, perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![Hbns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hbns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hbns)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2013, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-umkay-is-back-so-we-may-as-well-get-this-thread-started/663570/420 "2013-07-16T18:40:46Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > All it would take would be a little confusion on the part of the visitor, made worse by a pile-on. And that’s my concern, going forward - actually, it’s two concerns: > > 1. How do I ensure I don’t get taken in by trolls in future? > 2. How could we, as a board, avoid mistakenly identifying someone as a troll, on the basis of inference from what might perhaps be quite innocently-made errors? While not mutually exclusive, you can’t have either one to near exclusion without risking a little collateral damage in the other. It’s a personal choice how much of #1 you are willing to accept to avoid committing #2. The posters that raised the flag early, clearly have a very low tolerance for #1 and are less risk averse to #2 than you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-umkay-is-back-so-we-may-as-well-get-this-thread-started/663570.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/looks-like-umkay-is-back-so-we-may-as-well-get-this-thread-started/663570.md?page=22)