# Loopiest far-right beliefs? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 17, 2021, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loopiest-far-right-beliefs/954490 "2021-11-17T07:07:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loopiest-far-right-beliefs/954490/102 "2021-11-19T18:11:54Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > \*betcha didn’t know that _a federal agency_ has quietly published _a comprehensive plan_ called “Mass Depopulation & Euthanasia” ??!?!? Was expecting to read about _human_ mass depopulation and euthanasia, but thankfully the paper is about _animal_ mass depopulation and euthanasia (in response to foreign animal diseases). Still pretty extreme, though. To their credit, they do note that bashing in the heads of neonatal piglets is impractical because it is “aesthetically objectionable; requires practice and technical skill, and a considerable degree of strength and resolve”. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loopiest-far-right-beliefs/954490/103 "2021-11-19T18:18:27Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > To their credit, they do note that bashing in the heads of neonatal piglets is impractical because it is “aesthetically objectionable; requires practice and technical skill, and a considerable degree of strength and resolve”. > > ~Max No need for overt violence, just vaccinate 'em. 😱 ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loopiest-far-right-beliefs/954490/104 "2021-11-19T20:11:30Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > As I’ve said repeatedly, the claim is that he is a _prophet_ . That was what I saw on the Facebook page of my former Christian mentor. This message by many modern so-called prophets was that Trump was ordained by God to lead the US. And, when he lost, they either said he’s secretly still president, or they started to make up stuff about “Trump the mantle” to say that what they said would apply to his ideological successor. > > That said, they do put Trump into the position they previously held for Jesus. They just need to have faith in Trump. My cousin (the country lay preacher) has called so many people out for that aspect since Trump’s loss. Same as he called out people supporting Trump after the golden statue at CPAC. It really was a Golden Calf moment. > > That said, remember that Trump is not the thread. A slicker Trump is the threat. And there are a lot of people vying for that role, trying to thread the needle between the Trumpists and the Republicans who see the conspiracy stuff as insane. > > Assuming they’re all crazy will be out downfall. We need to make sure we point out when any of the “sane” politicians pander to the crazies. The problem is that some cynical and slick types have managed to bond together a bunch of beliefs into a cultural, religious, and political _identity_, and then coupled that with the notion of a culture war between “real America”, and the godless socialist Democrats. And done it in a way that guarantees that dissent is basically viewed as being in league with the enemy. Anyone who says “That is crazy!” is attacking their _identity_ and engaging in that cultural warfare, by their lights. Since the GOP is casting their net pretty wide to get anyone and everyone they can under their particular crazy umbrella, stuff like conspiracy theories, etc… are tolerated, because they serve to basically further pull that cultural/religious/political identity away from the mainstream, and to reinforce the ideas that dissenters are the enemy and that any disagreement or criticism is an attack of their identity, not just their ideas or views. It’s terrifying. I mean the overwhelming majority of this stuff should rightly be considered insane by the vast, vast majority of people, but since they’ve made _believing in their bullshit_ part of the identity they espouse and pander toward, these people feel like they have to trust in and believe it or it’s some kind of self-betrayal. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loopiest-far-right-beliefs/954490/105 "2021-11-19T20:12:04Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > It’s true, @Sam_Stone, that I don’t know anyone who claims Trump is the messiah. By contrast, I recall seeing no deficit of RWers who insisted on describing Barack Obama as “your messiah”. It was like some sort of inverted projectionism. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loopiest-far-right-beliefs/954490/106 "2021-11-19T20:13:41Z")
It was pretty obvious that the right wing desperately craved their own messiah and were disappointed there was no such Obama equivalent figure on the right. Although Palin came somewhat close. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loopiest-far-right-beliefs/954490/107 "2021-11-19T20:22:05Z")
Yeah, remember how, in 2016, right wing media was convinced that Obama had a plan to cancel or nullify the election and declare himself King? Remember the [Jade Helm 15](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jade_Helm_15_conspiracy_theories) conspiracy theory? More projection than an IMAX theatre, and some people still don’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loopiest-far-right-beliefs/954490/108 "2021-11-19T20:55:54Z")
> [@bump](#): > > Anyone who says “That is crazy!” is attacking their _identity_ and engaging in that cultural warfare, by their lights. I agree with this. I have to be careful when discussing things with my conservative friends to make sure when I say “That’s crazy!” they do not hear “_You’re_ crazy!”, which is insulting. Unfortunately when you say “That’s a very stupid idea” some people seeking to be insulted (by being presented, ya know, facts and stuff) hear “You are very stupid for believing that idea”. Bunch of snowfwakes. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loopiest-far-right-beliefs/954490/109 "2021-11-19T21:08:07Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > betcha didn’t know that _a federal agency_ has quietly published _a comprehensive plan_ called “Mass Depopulation & Euthanasia” Its not close to the loopiest thing I see out there, but one of the stupider ones is the right wing conspiracy theory I’d see on social media in the Obama era: “FEMA is stockpiling coffins and this is proof they are preparing for secret diabolical thing they have in store for Americans!”. Which my reaction would be: “Its FEMA for f\_ck’s sake, it’s literally their job to prepare for disasters where lots of people die. If FEMA don’t have a plan to bury lots of people after a disaster then people need to get sacked.” ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loopiest-far-right-beliefs/954490/110 "2021-11-19T21:31:51Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > Bunch of snowfwakes. Snowflakes from Hell Nov 30 & Dec 1 at the Roxbury From $800 at Scalpmaster ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loopiest-far-right-beliefs/954490/111 "2021-11-20T01:57:51Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > I mean since when did anyone claim either Royal family or the Clintons were jewish?) Ha, don’t tell me you’re unaware that Bill Clinton was the first Jewish President. > **[Bill Clinton, ‘America's first Jewish president’](https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/post/bill-clinton-americas-first-jewish-president/2012/02/05/gIQAJ5lusQ_blog.html)** > > “Since I’ve seen you, I acquired a Jewish son-in-law,” Clinton told the Jewish Federation of Arkansas. He also told the crowd he celebrates the Jewish holidays. SHE THE PEOPLE | “Since I’ve seen you, I acquired a Jewish son-in-law,” former President... Hillary Clinton’s (step) grandfather was Jewish, and their daughter Chelsea married Marc Mezvinsky, so there are all kinds of Jewish rooty things going on there. It’s scary stuff.\* \*not to mention Clinton’s association with the Jewish Mafia. It’s got to be true, a PhD says so. > **[President Bill Clinton Conspires With Jewish Mafia Brothers Steven J. Green...:...](https://www.amazon.com/President-Clinton-Conspires-Jewish-Brothers/dp/151161739X)** > > President Bill Clinton Conspires With Jewish Mafia Brothers Steven J. Green... \[Stahl Ph.D, Dr. Richard L.\] on Amazon.com. \*FREE\* shipping on qualifying offers. President Bill Clinton Conspires With Jewish Mafia Brothers Steven J. Green... ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loopiest-far-right-beliefs/954490/112 "2021-11-20T02:27:35Z")
Wait, I thought Bill Clinton was the first black President. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loopiest-far-right-beliefs/954490/113 "2021-11-20T02:29:51Z")
Has anyone seen Bill Clinton in the same room as Sammy Davis Jr.? ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loopiest-far-right-beliefs/954490/114 "2021-11-20T04:10:02Z")
nvm ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loopiest-far-right-beliefs/954490/115 "2021-11-20T08:03:24Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Has anyone seen Bill Clinton in the same room as Sammy Davis Jr.? I have, at one of those Davos orgies. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loopiest-far-right-beliefs/954490/116 "2021-11-20T23:57:58Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > It’s bipartisan fringe craziness. > > “(Larouche Youth Movement) members have been active in the Democratic Party at the state and local levels. In 2006, LaRouche Youth Movement activist and Los Angeles County Democratic Central Committee member Cody Jones was honored as “Democrat of the Year” for the 43rd Assembly District of California, by the Los Angeles County Democratic Party. At the April 2007, California State Democratic Convention, LYM activist Quincy O’Neal was elected vice-chairman of the California State Democratic Black Caucus and Wynneal Innocentes was elected corresponding secretary of the Filipino Caucus. O’Neal is also president of the LYM’s Democratic Party Club, the Franklin Delano Roosevelt Legacy Club, which is affiliated with the [California Democratic Council. In March 2010, LaRouche Youth leader [Kesha Rogers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kesha_Rogers) won the Democratic congressional primary in Houston, Texas’ 22nd District.” Note that the description of these decade-plus-old events is followed in your cited source by a reference to [LaRouche’s widow’s much more recent disavowal of LPAC](https://schillerinstitute.com/blog/2021/03/07/why-larouchepac-no-longer-represents-the-policies-of-lyndon-larouche/) for its ideological divergence: > [@](#): > > “While paying lip service to some of Lyndon LaRouche’s ideas, and using video footage of him, in reality the political positions of the PAC increasingly diverged from the policies of the LaRouche movement and my late husband by, for example, excluding any substantive evaluation of the international strategic situation, in favor of focusing almost entirely on internal U.S. politics, principally on issues that were in line with the policies of Donald Trump. They increasingly failed to publish articles and videos that were critical of Trump on topics on which Lyndon LaRouche had personally frequently criticized Trump" […] Yeah, LPAC is much less “bipartisan” fringe craziness these days than it used to be. The loonies with any status and/or clout are increasingly congregating on the right wing. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loopiest-far-right-beliefs/954490/117 "2021-11-21T01:08:30Z")
Note: Larouche Democrat Kesha Rogers’ political ambitions didn’t end in 2010. In 2014 she actually had a solid lead in the polls at one point while running for the Democratic nomination for the U.S. Senate from Texas, ultimately finished second of five candidates in the primary vote and lost to David Alameel in the runoff (he in turn got crushed by John Cornyn in the general election). Hard to believe Rogers fell short that year\*, seeing as she had the endorsement of Doctors Against Murderous Obamacare. > **[The LaRouchian from Left Field](https://www.texasobserver.org/the-larouchian-from-left-field/)** > > “Oh, no! Aliens, bio-duplication, nude conspiracies… Oh my God! Lyndon LaRouche was right!” —Homer Simpson What do you get when you combine the most entertaining parts of the tea party, libertarianism, and the foil hat club? A…. Democrat? Yes.... \*we may not have seen the last of her, seeing she ran unsuccessfully for Congress again in 2018, this time as an independent. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loopiest-far-right-beliefs/954490/118 "2021-11-21T04:24:33Z")
“Left field” ? That seems like an odd way to speak of LaRouchies. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loopiest-far-right-beliefs/954490/119 "2021-11-21T15:08:55Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Has anyone seen Bill Clinton in the same room as Sammy Davis Jr.? That would have made him the first Jewish President. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loopiest-far-right-beliefs/954490/120 "2021-11-22T03:50:56Z")
During the procedure he kept mumbling, “oh, Vlad, baby…” ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loopiest-far-right-beliefs/954490/121 "2021-11-22T06:19:47Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > During the procedure he kept mumbling, “oh, Vlad, baby…” Looks like this old cartoon needs updating, to include Vlad’s current flame: [![](https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/b83ed12/2147483647/strip/true/crop/2048x1152+0+0/resize/840x473!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F1d%2Fde%2Fd533d20ec0d8a7531b3eca9539e9%2Fla-xpm-photo-2014-mar-07-la-na-tt-conservatives-admiration-for-putin-20140306) ](https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/b83ed12/2147483647/strip/true/crop/2048x1152+0+0/resize/840x473!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F1d%2Fde%2Fd533d20ec0d8a7531b3eca9539e9%2Fla-xpm-photo-2014-mar-07-la-na-tt-conservatives-admiration-for-putin-20140306) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loopiest-far-right-beliefs/954490.md?page=5)