# Lord help me, I agree with Sarah Palin **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 13, 2010, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-help-me-i-agree-with-sarah-palin/539361 "2010-05-13T23:34:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-help-me-i-agree-with-sarah-palin/539361/1 "2010-05-13T23:34:54Z")
At least for [the first 3 paragraphs](http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/05/sarah-palin-weighs-in-on-highland-park-hs-flap.html), anyway. Then she moves on to her usual wingnut talking points. But really, keeping a high school girls’ basketball team from playing in a tournament because you don’t like a law in the state they were going? That’s a ridiculous, knee-jerk overreaction that punishes nobody except the kids. We can ill afford to toss Palin things like this to be right about, lest she gain something resembling credibility within the next two years. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2010, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-help-me-i-agree-with-sarah-palin/539361/2 "2010-05-13T23:47:55Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > At least for [the first 3 paragraphs](http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/05/sarah-palin-weighs-in-on-highland-park-hs-flap.html)… She looks kinda like one of Hitler’s chauffeurs in that all leather outfit. What’s up with that? Did she pay for it herself this time? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2010, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-help-me-i-agree-with-sarah-palin/539361/3 "2010-05-14T00:17:35Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > She looks kinda like one of Hitler’s chauffeurs in that all leather outfit. Ah, but look at the backdrop. I think she was going for a Patton motif. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2010, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-help-me-i-agree-with-sarah-palin/539361/4 "2010-05-14T00:56:05Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Ah, but look at the backdrop. I think she was going for a Patton motif. I can’t help but be reminded of Patton’s own words: > [@](#): > > When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty. **It may not sound nice to some bunch of little old ladies at an afternoon tea party** , but it helps my soldiers to remember. You can’t run an army without profanity; and it has to be eloquent profanity. An army without profanity couldn’t fight it’s way out of a piss-soaked paper bag. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2010, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-help-me-i-agree-with-sarah-palin/539361/5 "2010-05-14T00:57:55Z")
There used to be a wall of sorts around sports, that isolated it from politics. The Olympics used to do this very well. Now we have the opposite any sports team that disagrees with Arizona is intermingling the two. The Phoenix Suns and their idiot players voted to enter the fray with their Los Suns jerseys, the NBA throws in their support and then MLB puts in their own two useless cents. The interviews I saw with Steve Nash and others were friggin ridiculous. Not once did you hear the term “illegal”. Idiots should stick to the one thing that they’re good at that protects them from putting themselves at risk in the real world. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2010, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-help-me-i-agree-with-sarah-palin/539361/6 "2010-05-14T01:04:24Z")
I take it you were equally disgusted about Curt Schilling waxing right wing on all sorts of topics during his career? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2010, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-help-me-i-agree-with-sarah-palin/539361/7 "2010-05-14T01:13:08Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > There used to be a wall of sorts around sports, that isolated it from politics. The Olympics used to do this very well. Now we have the opposite any sports team that disagrees with Arizona is intermingling the two. The Phoenix Suns and their idiot players voted to enter the fray with their Los Suns jerseys, They already had a tradition of using that jersey for “latino nights” They just dusted it off to protest the new law. > [@magellan01](#): > > the NBA throws in their support and then MLB puts in their own two useless cents. The interviews I saw with Steve Nash and others were friggin ridiculous. Not once did you hear the term “illegal”. Idiots should stick to the one thing that they’re good at that protects them from putting themselves at risk in the real world. Sure, like if the real world does not affect them as citizens. Of course, one could be cynical and believe that the suns also see immigrants as customers, but even if that is the case, trying to tell them to put a sock on it is really un-American. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2010, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-help-me-i-agree-with-sarah-palin/539361/8 "2010-05-14T01:22:24Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > They already had a tradition of using that jersey for “latino nights” They just dusted it off to protest the new law. > > Sure, like if the real world does not affect them as citizens. > > Of course, one could be cynical and believe that the suns also see immigrants as customers, but even if that is the case, trying to tell them to put a sock on it is really un-American. I’m aware of that. Now while I don’t like the idea, trying to simply ingratiate yourself to an audience is one thing. Doing so in a way that throws your weight on the side of illegal aliens and against the laws crafted by elected officials is quite another. Take into account that a solid majority of Arizonans support the law, then it even looks like a bad business move. Careful with that “un-American” knee jerking you’ve got there. You’re gonna lose that last tooth. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2010, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-help-me-i-agree-with-sarah-palin/539361/9 "2010-05-14T01:38:42Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I’m aware of that. Now while I don’t like the idea, trying to simply ingratiate yourself to an audience is one thing. Doing so in a way that throws your weight on the side of illegal aliens and against the laws crafted by elected officials is quite another. Take into account that a solid majority of Arizonans support the law, then it even looks like a bad business move. Then to me it looks then as an even more gutsy move. > [@magellan01](#): > > Careful with that “un-American” knee jerking you’ve got there. You’re gonna lose that last tooth. Meh, that warning coming from a guy that demonstrated many times before that he is incapable of realizing that he was/is being jerked around by unreliable sources, is a warning that I will disregard. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2010, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-help-me-i-agree-with-sarah-palin/539361/10 "2010-05-14T01:44:34Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I’m aware of that. Now while I don’t like the idea, trying to simply ingratiate yourself to an audience is one thing. Doing so in a way that throws your weight on the side of illegal aliens and against the laws crafted by elected officials is quite another. Take into account that a solid majority of Arizonans support the law, then it even looks like a bad business move. > > Careful with that “un-American” knee jerking you’ve got there. You’re gonna lose that last tooth. Hispanics can be Americans too, Jr. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2010, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-help-me-i-agree-with-sarah-palin/539361/11 "2010-05-14T01:52:45Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Hispanics can be Americans too, Jr. But not _real_ Americans, surely? Not _ **Republican** _ Americans??!! ---
**Author:** ![mack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mack)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2010, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-help-me-i-agree-with-sarah-palin/539361/12 "2010-05-14T01:53:49Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Ah, but look at the backdrop. I think she was going for a Patton motif. All she needs is a riding crop. That would be awesome. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2010, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-help-me-i-agree-with-sarah-palin/539361/13 "2010-05-14T01:58:37Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Hispanics can be Americans too, Jr. And if I believed or said otherwise, this contribution would be illuminating and valuable. Instead, it turns out to just be a waste of perfectly letters of the alphabet. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2010, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-help-me-i-agree-with-sarah-palin/539361/14 "2010-05-14T02:00:00Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Then to me it looks then as an even more gutsy move. > > Meh, that warning coming from a guy that demonstrated many times before that he is incapable of realizing that he was/is being jerked around by unreliable sources, is a warning that I will disregard. I find reality to be quite a reliable source. Again, we differ. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2010, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-help-me-i-agree-with-sarah-palin/539361/15 "2010-05-14T02:04:15Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I find reality to be quite a reliable source. Again, we differ. Oh really? > **[Another unpleasant Obama association](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=487920)** > > There was this article in The Washington Times. It relays Obama’s association with Raila Odinga of Kenya. Mr. Odinga is not your average Ivory Tower Marxist. The group he lead was responsible for some horrific violence. And he made some troubling... Suffice to say, you will never learn. But is good that others learn how unreliable you really are when looking for evidence, ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2010, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-help-me-i-agree-with-sarah-palin/539361/16 "2010-05-14T02:16:08Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > And if I believed or said otherwise, this contribution would be illuminating and valuable. > > Instead, it turns out to just be a waste of perfectly letters of the alphabet. Yes I read that and it made me glad I edited some of the harsher parts of my post here. Now here’s the thing. Surely you can see why Hispanic Americans, and decent Americans of other ethnicities mightbe against a law that would essentially put people up to greater scrutiny just for being Hispanic. Consider this thought experiment. A police officer encounters a Mestizo looking fellow with a strong Spanish accent who has no ID. Just walking down the street, claims he left his wallet to home. What would you have the officer do? Let him go or make him go get his ID? Just to keep it balanced say that officer encounters a white fellow with a strong Yooper or maybe Canadian accent, what should he do? ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2010, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-help-me-i-agree-with-sarah-palin/539361/17 "2010-05-14T02:53:20Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > The interviews I saw with Steve Nash and others were friggin ridiculous. Not once did you hear the term “illegal”. Idiots should stick to the one thing that they’re good at that protects them from putting themselves at risk in the real world. Steve Nash is a Canadian (and a legal one at that). Why the hell would we give a damn what he thinks about Arizona’s immigrant policies? At least in my experience, most of the Mexican-Americans I know have little tolerance for illegal immigration; essentially the illegals make them look bad in many ways. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2010, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-help-me-i-agree-with-sarah-palin/539361/18 "2010-05-14T02:57:13Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Yes I read that and it made me glad I edited some of the harsher parts of my post here. > > Now here’s the thing. Surely you can see why Hispanic Americans, and decent Americans of other ethnicities mightbe against a law that would essentially put people up to greater scrutiny just for being Hispanic. I can. But I say, suck it up. I have olive skin and dark hair, and I used to have a beard. I guess could pass for light Middle Eastern, because after 9/11 I was usually singled out at the airport for extra scrutiny. Was it my choice? No. Was I happy about the hassle? No. But I understood that this was a cost of keeping another 9/11 from happening. But I was happy that steps were being taken and never whined one bit about it. In fact, I made it a point to be very polite and thank the people who were tasked with the job. > [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Consider this thought experiment. A police officer encounters a Mestizo looking fellow with a strong Spanish accent who has no ID. Just walking down the street, claims he left his wallet to home. What would you have the officer do? Let him go or make him go get his ID? > > Just to keep it balanced say that officer encounters a white fellow with a strong Yooper or maybe Canadian accent, what should he do? As far as I understand it, there wouldn’t be grounds to stop him and ask him that—either person. He has to be stopped for something else. Only then can he be asked if he is a citizen. **Bricker** went into this is detail in the GD thread, I believe. To your larger point, I think, I do not feel it necessary to treat the northern border and the southern border identically. Why? Simply because we KNOW many, many, many more people sneak in from the south. Given limited resources, it’s right to put the resources where the problem is. If the numbers shot up in the Northern Peninsula, then I’d allocate resources there. I truly want zero illegal immigration. I know a lot of people are here illegally due to overstaying their Visas, and a dedicated look into that may mean overloading resources into communities that are known to harbor Visa-overstayers from, say, Ireland, or Eastern Europe. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2010, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-help-me-i-agree-with-sarah-palin/539361/19 "2010-05-14T02:59:07Z")
> [@mack](#): > > All she needs is a riding crop. That would be awesome. I see the direct-to-DVD already. _Palin : She-Wolf of the GOP_. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2010, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-help-me-i-agree-with-sarah-palin/539361/20 "2010-05-14T03:01:42Z")
> [@bump](#): > > Steve Nash is a Canadian (and a legal one at that). Why the hell would we give a damn what he thinks about Arizona’s immigrant policies? I wish it were that easy. His celebrity gives him a larger megaphone than most of the rest of us. But I did lose a lot of respect for him due to the reasons you brought up. > [@bump](#): > > At least in my experience, most of the Mexican-Americans I know have little tolerance for illegal immigration; essentially the illegals make them look bad in many ways. That’s my personal experience, as well, but that might be too selective a group. The people I see whining about this the most are 1) those considerably to the left and 2) those on the right who run businesses who have taken advantage of the situation so long they now feel as if cheap illegal labor is a right. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-help-me-i-agree-with-sarah-palin/539361.md?page=2)