# Lord of the Rings Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 10, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867 "2010-08-10T19:56:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 100
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1981 "2010-08-30T19:08:53Z")
**Drain** : Observations on **Chronos** Please. **Chronos** : Observations on **Drain** Please. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1982 "2010-08-30T19:30:58Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > **Ignoring your Claim.** Well this is a hard one, ain’t it? I mean what pro-town person wouldn’t give you the benefit of the doubt, on day 1? You have to prove yourself somehow. I mean, you get the Day 1 pass, in order to prove yourself on the start of Day 2. > > \*\*GET THIS MESSAGE: IT IS NO LONGER DAY 1. \*\*You have worn out any Grace period you thought you had. No pro-town player should have give me the benefit of the doubt. That’s what I meant when I said “town should ignore my claim”. I had no grace period. I never claimed a grace period. I think only you and **peeker** have stated I had a grace period or something similar. Why? There’s absolutely no pro-town reason to give an empty claim any credit. I don’t have to prove myself, anymore than any other player has to prove themself. > [@](#): > > _please consider the merits of coming in after me and doing likewise_. > > PLEONAST FAIL. > > Not only are you Dodging and Delaying, you are now attempting to use my words against me, and you aren’t even using your own words correctly. That’s what I did. I explained how a mass claim should be done and why your attempt is anti-town. > [@](#): > > **Pleonast:** Do you think we have a Vig in this game? I have no idea. > [@Meeko](#): > > **Drain** : Observations on **Chronos** Please. > **Chronos** : Observations on **Drain** Please. Let’s you and him fight. Go on, fight! :rolleyes: I’m happy with where my vote is. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1983 "2010-08-30T19:48:54Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > > [@Meeko](#): > > > > **Drain** : Observations on **Chronos** Please. > > **Chronos** : Observations on **Drain** Please. > > Let’s you and him fight. Go on, fight! :rolleyes: > > I’m happy with where my vote is. Likewise. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1984 "2010-08-30T19:51:26Z")
Some of us are still considering before voting. Can’t speak for others though. Pleo, something to consider vis a vis your vote for Meeko. This is very much normal play for Meeko. He seems to always grab onto one idea, one concept, or similar in each game and just hold onto it like a dog with a bone. He did it with WIFOM, with PIS, and now he seems to be doing it with your half claim. The fact that he won’t let it go is not an indication of scum in his specific case. Regarding Mhaye, I have to agree with Drain here. I’ve been scum several times in the past, and we never referred to ourselves as scum(or any alternate names) on our own boards. It was always us, ours, we, etc, as appropriate. The fact that YOU won’t let it go is bothersome though. You can’t seem to point to a single other reason for Mhaye to be scum beyond the use of an acronym. It’s Day 3. A marginal at absolute best scum tell(and even that is being really generous) is unacceptable for a Day 3 vote. There’s been PAGES upon pages of discussion. Why is that the only thing you feel you can hang your hat on? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1985 "2010-08-30T20:03:21Z")
> [@](#): > > Why is that the only thing you feel you can hang your hat on? To be fair, that’s not the only thing he hangs his hat on, given that he’s also pseudo-voting for multiple other people (I think **Meeko** is currently top of his list). Your point stands, though, that it’s only one data point. I could probably, if I went back through the thread, find something at least vaguely pingy for every single player in the game. The question isn’t whether someone’s done something vaguely pingy, it’s whether they’ve done anything (taken individually or collectively) that’s good enough to hang a vote on. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1986 "2010-08-30T20:09:40Z")
Not sure why asking me my observations on **Chronos** would result in a fight. He’s the closest thing to confirmed Town we have in this game, seeing as I can’t see **Mahaloth** giving Scum or a third party the info he was given. Because of that, I give his opinions a bit more merit than I would to any others, because I am 99% sure he’s not trying to mislead me. The other way around is a different story, of course, and **Chronos** and I can certainly disagree on some points, but **Meeko** posing this question is not going to start the Cage Match of the Century, at least on my end. And now that I think of it, I thought it was **Pleo** who didn’t want any sort of discussion to be stifled, because discussion of topics, no matter how bad or taboo, could trip up Scum. Should that now read “unless **Meeko** instigates it?” Because if you truly think I’m Scum, you _want_ me talking and answering questions, hoping I’ll shoot myself in the foot. But no, **Meeko** asks people to give their opinion of other people, and it deserves a roll-eyes smiley and the implication (YSWIDT? ;)) that it’s not worth discussing. ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1987 "2010-08-30T20:22:43Z")
First off: **Inner Stickler** , happy birthday (a bit early)! I think it’s reasonable to assume that **Gadarene** was our cop. **Mahaloth** stated that he “possessed several special objects,” but hasn’t told us what those objects were. And he’s posted since, so I’m assuming that he’s given us all the answers we’re like to get there - the question’s been asked twice, and still no answer. Bummer, that. We lately had some discussion about scum talking during the Day. This is my first game playing, but I just assumed that it’s a (perhaps) unstated rule that scum doesn’t get to stratagize during the day, just like town can’t stratagize at night, so I didn’t notice anything wrong with **Red** ’s statement. (ISTM that it’s been that way - the no scum talk during the Day - in the other games I’ve followed along with. Maybe it was explicitly stated; I don’t remember.) Drain’s confirmed that it doesn’t look like it’s against the rules, but let’s find out. **Mahaloth, can scum stratagize and talk during the Day?** **Drain** posted this question last Thursday (#1781), but no answer. Hopefully trying again will get us somewhere. At this point, I don’t have good reads on anyone [sigh]. I know I voted **special ed** yesterday, but (and I know that this is going to sound really weaselly) I’m just not convinced he’s scum. Won’t someone post something obviously scummy to make it easier for everyone? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1988 "2010-08-30T20:26:22Z")
NETA: Continuing the \*\*Gadarene \*\*= cop idea, I think it’s reasonable to assume that one of his special objects was a palantir, allowing him to see a person’s true identity or some such (possibly with caveats). It’d be mostly keeping with canon, anyway. Thought I should explain that a bit more. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1989 "2010-08-30T20:33:31Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > Pleo, something to consider vis a vis your vote for Meeko. This is very much normal play for Meeko. He seems to always grab onto one idea, one concept, or similar in each game and just hold onto it like a dog with a bone. He did it with WIFOM, with PIS, and now he seems to be doing it with your half claim. The fact that he won’t let it go is not an indication of scum in his specific case. I don’t care how he’s played in previous games. I am voting him in this game for consistently anti-town play. 1) He demanded information from me (whether or not it’s labeled fishing) and then voted for me when I refused and explained it was anti-town. 2) He tried to start a mass claim and preemptively voted me for it. And then complains when I point out how it’s anti-town. 3) Instead of commenting on other players, he asks them to comment on each other, thus avoiding stating his own opinions. How many anti-town things does **Meeko** need to do before he deserves to be lynched? I think he’s shown his scummy alignment well enough. > [@](#): > > Regarding Mhaye, I have to agree with Drain here. I’ve been scum several times in the past, and we never referred to ourselves as scum(or any alternate names) on our own boards. It was always us, ours, we, etc, as appropriate. The fact that YOU won’t let it go is bothersome though. You can’t seem to point to a single other reason for Mhaye to be scum beyond the use of an acronym. It’s Day 3. A marginal at absolute best scum tell(and even that is being really generous) is unacceptable for a Day 3 vote. There’s been PAGES upon pages of discussion. Why is that the only thing you feel you can hang your hat on? A scum slip is still a scum slip. I don’t see why I should ignore it simply because time has passed. > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > And now that I think of it, I thought it was **Pleo** who didn’t want any sort of discussion to be stifled, because discussion of topics, no matter how bad or taboo, could trip up Scum. Should that now read “unless **Meeko** instigates it?” Because if you truly think I’m Scum, you _want_ me talking and answering questions, hoping I’ll shoot myself in the foot. But no, **Meeko** asks people to give their opinion of other people, and it deserves a roll-eyes smiley and the implication (YSWIDT? ;)) that it’s not worth discussing. The problem isn’t you and **Chronos** commenting on each other. It’s **Meeko** asking you two to comment on each other without contributing anything himself. Classic scum method to generate controversy without staking anything. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1990 "2010-08-30T20:41:10Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > 1. I’m not saying that the Scum will never say scum ever. I’m saying that they have no reason to say it ON THEIR OWN BOARD, TO ONE ANOTHER. Seriously, I’m not sure how I can make this point any clearer to you. Collective terms are frequently used in the game thread, but not necessarily in the Scum thread, because THEY KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND WHO THE TOWN IS. I honestly can’t picture a single instance in which the Scum would need to refer to themselves in the third person in their own thread, and you’ve not provided me with any reason to believe otherwise. > > Can someone other than **Pleonast** explain to me where my logic fails here? I feel like I’m banging my head against a brick wall. Since you asked, your logic doesn’t fail. Pleonast’s reason for voting MHaye is one of the longest stretches I’ve ever seen. That said, I’ve seen people lynched for a failure to capitalize a word, and I think I was lynched once for using “they” as a third person gender unspecified pronoun. (as opposed to “he or she”) But, Drain, you make perfect sense. MHaye’s use of an acronym does not imply he used it with explanation anywhere else. And it especially doesn’t make any sense for him to have used it and explained it on a Scum board. What would he have said? “Welcome fellow SAHM (SAuron and his minions),” ridiculous ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1991 "2010-08-30T20:45:19Z")
If Pleo flips detective, I’ll put some weight behind his suspicion of MHaye, perhaps. I can’t really see any other reason for him to be holding on to that point. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1992 "2010-08-30T20:46:42Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Not sure why asking me my observations on **Chronos** would result in a fight. He’s the closest thing to confirmed Town we have in this game, seeing as I can’t see **Mahaloth** giving Scum or a third party the info he was given. Because of that, I give his opinions a bit more merit than I would to any others, because I am 99% sure he’s not trying to mislead me. > > The other way around is a different story, of course, and **Chronos** and I can certainly disagree on some points, but **Meeko** posing this question is not going to start the Cage Match of the Century, at least on my end. > > And now that I think of it, I thought it was **Pleo** who didn’t want any sort of discussion to be stifled, because discussion of topics, no matter how bad or taboo, could trip up Scum. Should that now read “unless **Meeko** instigates it?” Because if you truly think I’m Scum, you _want_ me talking and answering questions, hoping I’ll shoot myself in the foot. But no, **Meeko** asks people to give their opinion of other people, and it deserves a roll-eyes smiley and the implication (YSWIDT? ;)) that it’s not worth discussing. Except that Meeko singling out the 2 of you for comments on each other did seem rather odd. Why you two? Why now? What is his point? If you each had comments to make about each other, wouldn’t you just make them? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1993 "2010-08-30T20:51:47Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > Pleo, something to consider vis a vis your vote for Meeko. This is very much normal play for Meeko. He seems to always grab onto one idea, one concept, or similar in each game and just hold onto it like a dog with a bone. He did it with WIFOM, with PIS, and now he seems to be doing it with your half claim. The fact that he won’t let it go is not an indication of scum in his specific case. **Thank you?** Nanook : How do you [personally] determine when to let go of something? And what then of me courting Ed for a bit there? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1994 "2010-08-30T20:59:50Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > > [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > > > Pleo, something to consider vis a vis your vote for Meeko. This is very much normal play for Meeko. He seems to always grab onto one idea, one concept, or similar in each game and just hold onto it like a dog with a bone. He did it with WIFOM, with PIS, and now he seems to be doing it with your half claim. The fact that he won’t let it go is not an indication of scum in his specific case. > > **Thank you?** > > Nanook : How do you [personally] determine when to let go of something? > > And what then of me courting Ed for a bit there? huh? Sorry, Meeko, you’re a little too young for me. Even if I could get past the fact that you had a penis. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1995 "2010-08-30T21:02:44Z")
[QUOTE=special ed;12858642Sorry, Meeko, you’re a little too young for me. Even if I could get past the fact that you had a penis.[/QUOTE] ‘had’ a penis? ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1996 "2010-08-30T21:05:00Z")
You let it go when there isn’t any new information to be gained from it. Don’t get me wrong, being stubborn about letting things go can be a good thing. I’ve seen scum caught because people wouldn’t stop hounding them. But the difference with Pleo is he’s just not chaging his stance in the least. There’s no information to be found there at this point. Pleo, stating it’s a scum slip doesn’t make it a scum slip. Your reasoning for why it’s a scum slip is tenuous at best, and to continue to hold onto it beyond all reason is baffling. I’m tempted to vote for you, but I’m not going to because there’s someone else that’s bothering me more. Snickers, why would you assume detective in that case? In possession of several objects is far more a description of an inventor type, that has a variety of one shot powers. Mahaloth isn’t a bastard, if Gadarene was a detective he would have called him a detective. It feels like you’re setting the stage for a reason to doubt a true detective claim. Also, it’s Day 3. There’s been a bazillion posts in this game so far(exaggerated slightly), and while there’s some fluff there’s still a lot of content as well. And you have no read? On anyone? And nice job backing way off of your vote for Ed there. “Oh nevermind the fact that I voted for him, i don’t REALLY think Ed is scum.” That just screams either scum buddy trying to back off a bus, or a scum knowing Ed is Town and waiting to try and avoid any fallout if/when he dies and flips Town. Posts like yours are almost always made by scum trying to avoid making a stand when they aren’t sure yet which way the wind is blowing. Especially the last part. Just looking for something nice and easy to jump on so you can avoid accountabilty. \*\* Vote Snickers \*\* ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1997 "2010-08-30T21:05:02Z")
jesus, I hate this nested quote shit. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1998 "2010-08-30T21:08:20Z")
> [@Snickers](#): > > Won’t someone post something obviously scummy to make it easier for everyone? 😉 \ I’m being scummy right here! Well, a bit anti-town at least. Really sorry, still not spending enough time with the game. I just catched up again and no real insight at the moment except for the fact that the game is loud and seems to be lynching the loud. Anyway, to get back into the game: \*\*[USCDiver\*\*'s profile](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) with the handy links. [Night Two](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12843930&postcount=1788) | [Day Three](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12851439&postcount=1847) [**RedSkeezix** vote count Day one](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12818130&postcount=1125) (not entirely complete). Got one for Day Two? Although Meeko, peeker and Pleonast’s multi voting might be screwing up your program? Day One: **Suburban** (11): Oredigger, Cucuy, Nanook, RedSkeezix, Gadarene, Specialed, Pleonast, Guiri, Drainbead, InnerStickler, Chronos **Peeker** (1): Natlaw **Astral** (1): USCDiver **Pleonast** (1): Meeko **SpecialEd** (5): Astral, Telcontar, MHaye, Suburban, Chipacabra **Chipacabra** (2): Hoopy, Oneandonly **OneandOnly** (1): Peeker **No vote** (1): LPN (now Snickers) Day Two: **AstralRejection** (1): Redskeezix **SpecialEd** (4): Chronos, Chipacabra, Astral, Snickers **Chipacabra** (11): Hoopy, Gadarene, Drainbead, Nanook, Specialed, Cucuy, Oneandonly, Guiri, USCDiver, Natlaw, MHaye **Hoopy** (1): Peeker **Peeker** (2): Meeko, Pleonast **Pleonast** (1): Inner Stickler **No vote** (1): Oredigger Deaths: **Suburban** - Denethor - Vanilla scum - Lynched Day **Telcontar** - Legolas - Town Protector - Killed Night One **Chipacabra** - Treebeard - Vanilla town - Lynched Day Two **Gadarene** - Aragorn - Town Inventor - Killed Night Two Claims: 1. **SpecialEd** - Faramir, not Glorfindel - Vanilla 2. **Meeko** - Celebron - Vanilla 3. **Chronos** - Eowyn - knew Gadarene was Aragorn 4. **Pleonast** - Power role 5. **Peeker** - Boromir - Vanilla Unknown: 2. **Red Skeezix** 3. **Drain Bead** 5. **Astral Rejection** 6. **OneandOnly** 9. **Guiri** 10. **Snickers** [del]LittlePlasticNinja[/del] 13. **Inner Stickler** [del]Normal Phase[/del] 14. **Oredigger** 15. **NanooktheNorthShore** 16. **MHaye** 17 **HoopyFrood** 18. **Cucuy** 21. **Natlaw** 23. **USCDiver** Corrections welcome. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1999 "2010-08-30T21:08:47Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > jesus, I hate this nested quote shit. Well, Mahaloth isn’t modkilling for editing, and I can vouch that your post contains nothing but a harmless little joke. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2010, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2000 "2010-08-30T21:09:13Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Not sure why asking me my observations on **Chronos** would result in a fight. \*\* He’s the closest thing to confirmed Town we have in this game, seeing as I can’t see **Mahaloth** giving Scum or a third party the info he was given. Because of that, I give his opinions a bit more merit than I would to any others, because I am 99% sure he’s not trying to mislead me. > \*\* > The other way around is a different story, of course, and **Chronos** and I can certainly disagree on some points, but **Meeko** posing this question is not going to start the Cage Match of the Century, at least on my end. > > And now that I think of it, I thought it was **Pleo** who didn’t want any sort of discussion to be stifled, because discussion of topics, no matter how bad or taboo, could trip up Scum. Should that now read “unless **Meeko** instigates it?” **Because if you truly think I’m Scum, you _want_ me talking and answering questions, hoping I’ll shoot myself in the foot. But no, Meeko asks people to give their opinion of other people, and it deserves a roll-eyes smiley and the implication (YSWIDT? ;)) that it’s not worth discussing.** Since I’ve called **Chronos** out earlier for possible Snuggling, I don’t think it is that earth shattering to say that I agree with you here, Drain. The greatest Wine notwithstanding, **Chronos** seems to be Town to me as well. Drain, you are actually pretty close to my M.O. here. You just went one or two sentences longer on your explanation than you needed to. 🙂 [[YSWIDT?]] I do want people to talk about other people. If they are scum, and if they slip up in the process, the more the better. However, As I stated for Chronos just above, I am in a similar fashion with you. That is, I think both of you are town, but Chronos edges you out, slightly. > [@Pleonast](#): > > > [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > > > Pleo, something to consider vis a vis your vote for Meeko. This is very much normal play for Meeko. He seems to always grab onto one idea, one concept, or similar in each game and just hold onto it like a dog with a bone. He did it with WIFOM, with PIS, and now he seems to be doing it with your half claim. The fact that he won’t let it go is not an indication of scum in his specific case. > > I don’t care how he’s played in previous games. I am voting him in this game for consistently anti-town play. 1) He demanded information from me (whether or not it’s labeled fishing) and then voted for me when I refused and explained it was anti-town. 2) He tried to start a mass claim and preemptively voted me for it. And then complains when I point out how it’s anti-town. 3) Instead of commenting on other players, he asks them to comment on each other, thus avoiding stating his own opinions. > > How many anti-town things does **Meeko** need to do before he deserves to be lynched? I think he’s shown his scummy alignment well enough. > > A scum slip is still a scum slip. I don’t see why I should ignore it simply because time has passed. > > > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > > > And now that I think of it, I thought it was **Pleo** who didn’t want any sort of discussion to be stifled, because discussion of topics, no matter how bad or taboo, could trip up Scum. Should that now read “unless **Meeko** instigates it?” Because if you truly think I’m Scum, you _want_ me talking and answering questions, hoping I’ll shoot myself in the foot. But no, **Meeko** asks people to give their opinion of other people, and it deserves a roll-eyes smiley and the implication (YSWIDT? ;)) that it’s not worth discussing. > > The problem isn’t you and **Chronos** commenting on each other. It’s **Meeko** asking you two to comment on each other without contributing anything himself. Classic scum method to generate controversy without staking anything. Here is the thing **Pleonast** : I didn’t Magic Bag claim. You did. In my Book, there is no worse offense, than Magic Bag Claiming, without verification / proof. In fact, you could add up EVERYTHING ELSE under the sun, in combination, and I would still find yours to be more scummy. You would know “classic scum methods to generate controversy” wouldn’t you, Mr. Magic Bag? Pleonast, If I assume X is scum, and I consider Y to have a good possibility of being scum, wouldn’t it be more expedient to have them comment on the other, in public, rather than having me take on each one, individually? You save money taking two friends to the movies once, than you do if you take one of those friends to the movies twice. [You don’t pay for your ticket again.] Then again : And now that I think of it, I thought it was **Pleo** who didn’t want any sort of discussion to be stifled, because discussion of topics, no matter how bad or taboo, could trip up Scum. Should that now read “unless **Meeko** instigates it?” THIS. 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