# Lord of the Rings Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 10, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867 "2010-08-10T19:56:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 102
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2021 "2010-08-31T00:04:12Z")
**Post #1996** > [@Nanook of the North Shore](#): > > Also, it’s Day 3. There’s been a bazillion posts in this game so far(exaggerated slightly), and while there’s some fluff there’s still a lot of content as well. And you have no read? On anyone? And nice job backing way off of your vote for Ed there. “Oh nevermind the fact that I voted for him, i don’t REALLY think Ed is scum.” That just screams either scum buddy trying to back off a bus, or a scum knowing Ed is Town and waiting to try and avoid any fallout if/when he dies and flips Town. Posts like yours are almost always made by scum trying to avoid making a stand when they aren’t sure yet which way the wind is blowing. Especially the last part. Just looking for something nice and easy to jump on so you can avoid accountabilty. > > Vote Snickers \*\* Post #1920 \*\* > [@Nanook of the North Shore](#): > > I keep bouncing back and forth on Ed. On the one hand, yeah he’s done this type of thing before, and was Town. On the other, there’s the way he went about it. He did it in such a way that only Vanilla could shake, and the whole interplay with Chronos is bothersome. A scum Ed with the VT PM could very easily decide to try and out some power roles by using it in the way he did. You’d think Ed, who has experience with handshakes, would know better than to make a silly, simple error of including the powers section in the shake. But people do make mistakes. It’s a conundrum. Whoa - wait. So I’m scum for waffling on **special ed** but you’re not even though you posted nearly the exact same thing? Is it because yesterDay I actually voted for **ed** , while you voted for **Chipacabra** based on weak “he’s not playing this time like he did in Harry Potter” reasoning? Yet I’m the one trying to avoid accountability. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2022 "2010-08-31T00:06:20Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > This is the most even spread of voting we’ve had all game. This just reminded me of a webpage I’d seen… > **[San Francisco's Answer to Westboro Baptist Church](https://laughingsquid.com/san-francisco-answer-to-westboro-baptist-church/)** > > photo by EDW Lynch Westboro Baptist Church showed up to protest in front of Twitter's San Francisco office on Thursday, but found themselves severely ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2023 "2010-08-31T00:08:40Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > This is the most even spread of voting we’ve had all game. kind of like where we are. this is a tough one for scum. gotta vote. but if they vote the wrong way they are kind of fucked depending on the flip. woot woot. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2024 "2010-08-31T00:15:28Z")
Ed, that video cracked me up. Favorite part: “Where are the donuts?” ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2025 "2010-08-31T01:17:21Z")
and third vote probably coming up as well. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2026 "2010-08-31T01:39:07Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > crud **drain** wants to fuck me so that is a net gain on my end. How did you know I was bringing the strap-on? ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2027 "2010-08-31T02:34:13Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > > [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > > > In other words, you seemed to be posing peeker-like with a specific purpose.[/oog] > > \ > > ding ding ding we have a winner. > > anyone who suggests that i am spamming this thread can come right out and say so ( **pleo** ). i don’t mind. crud **drain** wants to fuck me so that is a net gain on my end. > > discussion is the wmd of town. some folks don’t like it. i am hunting scum. and the only way i can do that is by looking at posts. and some may seem innocuous but maybe not. > > woot woot this is a good one folks, thanks. > > certain folks want to look at vote records. i just want to see what people post. that gives me harder data points (me personally). You took my quote out of context. My point is not that peeker-style posting itself doesn’t have a sense of purpose. Your posting style has always been to throw out as much random shit into a thread as possible and see what random shit ends up sticking. You do that as town or scum. My point was that it seemed you stopped flinging randomly and started directing that shit to go away from the current lynch leader. That seemed suspicious, particularly since I’ve watched you do it in many games. You were aiming rather than flinging haphazardly, so I was trying to figure out why you were aiming. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2028 "2010-08-31T02:37:59Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > ok. to heck with it. i need to put my money where my mouth is. > > **vote hoopy** > > blah blah blah blah blah. Well, since you ended with your vote on me yesterDay, it’s not as if your revoting of me is that much of a “putting your money where you mouth is” situation. But why vote me now rather than earlier in the Day? Clearly your mind hasn’t changed on your opinion of me, and I’ve already defended–as well as I intend to–against your case yesterDay, so why wait? It’s not as if votes aren’t easily changeable. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2029 "2010-08-31T02:46:59Z")
You were voting for Ed yesterday, when there was no danger of him actually being lynched. Today, when there is/was a chance of that, you suddenly feel the need to back off that vote. That’s the difference, and it’s a very big difference. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2030 "2010-08-31T02:58:37Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > \ > > > > ding ding ding we have a winner. > > > > anyone who suggests that i am spamming this thread can come right out and say so ( **pleo** ). i don’t mind. crud **drain** wants to fuck me so that is a net gain on my end. > > > > discussion is the wmd of town. some folks don’t like it. i am hunting scum. and the only way i can do that is by looking at posts. and some may seem innocuous but maybe not. > > > > woot woot this is a good one folks, thanks. > > > > certain folks want to look at vote records. i just want to see what people post. that gives me harder data points (me personally). > > You took my quote out of context. > > My point is not that peeker-style posting itself doesn’t have a sense of purpose. Your posting style has always been to throw out as much random shit into a thread as possible and see what random shit ends up sticking. You do that as town or scum. My point was that it seemed you stopped flinging randomly and started directing that shit to go away from the current lynch leader. That seemed suspicious, particularly since I’ve watched you do it in many games. You were aiming rather than flinging haphazardly, so I was trying to figure out why you were aiming. ok, **hoopy** , i’ll play. i sling semi random shit around to see what other folks’ reactions are. i kind of want to see they do. if you call that, no purpose, then that is your judgement. and yes when i get focused on one or two folks i do have a tendency to focus there. i have already admitted that is my weakness in this game. i still think the odds are that **ed** is town and that you are scum. i’ve made that clear in my recent posts and my vote. if you want a waffle you have to order a side of bacon as well for six bucks at ihop. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2031 "2010-08-31T03:07:25Z")
and **hoopy** whether you or the rest of the crowd believe it pretty much every post i make has a purpose. a lot of folks seem to want to call it “spamming the thread”. such is not the intent. i just want to catch scum. and catching scum typically involves making them talk. so you and **pleo** (aka the claimer) can pound sand. it’s how i do it. and if you don’t like it just vote me or follow your own path to a town victory. [oog] **hoopy** and **pleo** are some of the most respected folks i follow in this game. i merely post this because there are some folks that i am not familiar with in this game. and we do this shit all the time so no worries. it really is part of the game and i would buy them a diet coke at any point[/oog]. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2032 "2010-08-31T03:28:11Z")
Please bleach votes in quotes, folks. It rhymes! ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2033 "2010-08-31T13:21:44Z")
**nat** : **wanderer** has kind of fallen off my radar because he hasn’t really said much of squat. maybe i need to revisit that, as well. thank you for jogging my memory. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2034 "2010-08-31T14:27:29Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Sorry, Meeko, you’re a little too young for me. Even if I could get past the fact that you had a penis. > [@USCDiver](#): > > ‘had’ a penis? I guess that would explain Drain’s strap on. :eek: I suddenly feel like a castrated stooge. Eunuch nyuk nyuk. Ed, I simply meant that there was a stint where I voted for you. Pleonast is all “omgz I can has Meeko perma-voting me lolz!!!11one” ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2035 "2010-08-31T14:51:59Z")
and **hoopy** gets an apology. i mis read his post. he was semi agreeing with me on re read. and i admit that i am very verbose and random early in games. after that i kind of get a little more focused. the point is not to “spam” the thread but rather to get folks talking. now this game has gotten a little bit wonky because of the depth of information that is being discussed. and this is not to give even a small ration of crap to **ed** or **pleo** but the whole handshake and role claim thing was pretty voluminous in and of itself. plus the fact that other posters like **chronos** seem to be more participatory than what i remember being usual and customary has really added to the volume. i will rethink my strategy in future games based on what the game state is. it just feels like in this game we have had the perfect confluence of large volume posters and varying strategy discussions. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2036 "2010-08-31T17:33:06Z")
Of the candidates at the moment, I am going to go back to my previous Astral vote. This isn’t locked in by any means, but I want to get a vote on record **vote Astral Rejection** ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2037 "2010-08-31T17:45:59Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > and **hoopy** gets an apology. i mis read his post. he was semi agreeing with me on re read. Accepted. Now answer my question from reply 2028. And while your at it, what do you see as the similarities and differences between a poster waffling about someone they are voting for and waffling about someone they aren’t voting for? Do you view the situations the same? If so, why? Do you view them as different? If so, why? Or is it a bit of both? ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2038 "2010-08-31T20:26:46Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > \ I’m being scummy right here! Well, a bit anti-town at least. Vote **Natlaw** for obvious scumminess. Kidding! I’ve been doing a re-read on **MHaye** , simply because he isn’t saying much. (Sorry guys, I took the low hanging fruit; I’m not doing **peeker**.) It’s posted below - the commentary is mine alone. [21:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12787304&postcount=21) Signs up. [54:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12789163&postcount=54) Dismayed that **ShadowFacts** isn’t playing. [64:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12789757&postcount=64) Talkes about experience in Discworld game, the Luggage was the SK. [64:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12789802&postcount=65) In response to **John DiFool** , gives a quick overview of Mafia basics. [81:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12790178&postcount=81) Notes it’s been a while since **Gadarene** has played. [155:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12793142&postcount=155) Confirms receipt of role PM. [528:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12801525&postcount=528) Just because someone might have the role of Gandalf doesn’t mean that player is town-aligned. Wizards did fail; maybe Gandalf would follow the blue wizards and forget why he’s here. [531:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12801603&postcount=531) Some explanation for newbies. Name claim is something that can’t be undone (or recanned). First SAHM mention. Morgul knives could be recruitment mechanism. [650:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12806452&postcount=650) Explains use of SAHM. Doesn’t like calling people “scum.” Might use “Forces of the Dark Lord” instead. [663:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12806605&postcount=663) Further SAHM explanation. Says handshake used it enough, it’d be easy to deduce the meaning. And it amused him. [664:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12806618&postcount=664) Didn’t play in pond game. Decides on “servants of darkness” (sods) for the scum acronym - it’s in the OP. [868:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12814042&postcount=868) Corrects **Mahaloth** ’s vote count: he shows three votes for **ed**. [871:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12814097&postcount=871) Asks **Red Skeezix** for post reference for **peeker** ’s unvote of **ed**. [887:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12814389&postcount=887) Votes for **ed**. Handshake helped SAHMs by outing town power roles. (SAHM appearance = 3) [904:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12814647&postcount=904) Says **Plankton** ’s stated 2nd power makes sense: Sauron detected Denethor using the palantir and led him into despair. [949:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12815533&postcount=949) Notes tie between **ed** and **Plankton**. Wonders whether the tiebreaker is the first to reach the top vote. OK with a lynch of either. [959:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12815574&postcount=959) Agrees that in canon, Denethor wasn’t evil, just hopeless. But it’s easy to flip that from canon alignment and his treatment of Faramir was clearly evil. Thinks **Plankton** is Saruman false claiming Denethor. Considering switching his vote to **Plankton**. [969:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12815623&postcount=969) Questions whether Mahaloth has omitted **Guiri** ’s vote for ed (#878) in the vote count (#955). [1224:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12822593&postcount=1224) Notes that longest Day 1 on IdleMafia was in Firefly Mafia. Bunch of posts were jettisoned. [1238:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12823164&postcount=1238) Fluff posts at night needn’t be kept down. Multiple threads are tedious. Might cap and continue our game thread if it gets over the limit set by board policy, whatever that might be. [1638:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12836939&postcount=1637) Corrects **Snicker** ’s mistake: Treebeard wasn’t that weird (included in development sung by Ainur), Tom Bombadil was (Tolkien never explained where he came from). [1690:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12841407&postcount=1690) Day 2 analysis. Voted for **ed** yesterday. Today, suspicion on **ed** is decreasing, but he’s not exonerated - will revote for him if he doesn’t see anything else. [1765:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12842875&postcount=1765) Votes **Chipacabra** , with misgivings. Verified **Hoopy** ’s claims that **Chip** ’s posts were intended to save **Plankton**. **Chip** too contradictory: **ed** put denethor on his list making **Plankton** ’s later claim more credible, but **ed** ’s too good of a player to try to rescue a fellow scum with that tactic (i.e. if **ed** ’s scum, he wouldn’t do what **Chip** claimed he did _because_ he’s scum.) If **Chip** is scum, **ed** isn’t. If **Chip** is town, that says nothing about **ed**. (SAHM appearance = 9) [1843:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12850584&postcount=1843) Night post explaining SDMB handle origin - he completely made it up. [1871:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12852159&postcount=1871) Can’t judge effects of **ed** ’s handshake until the game is complete. Don’t vote for someone if you think they’re town; it only hurts town. (SAHM appearances = 3) Things that jump out at me (well, not much, to be honest): [ul] [li]I’m slightly pinged by his Denethor arguments surrounding Plankton; this very faintly smells of scum protection. But really faintly.[/li][li]For my own amusement, I noted the posts where he really makes use of the SAHM acronym. I don’t think this means anything, but it could also be a poke at those who do. He’s not using either of the other 2 alternatives he proposed.[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2039 "2010-08-31T20:37:58Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > and **hoopy** gets an apology. i mis read his post. he was semi agreeing with me on re read. > > Accepted. Now answer my question from reply 2028. > > And while your at it, what do you see as the similarities and differences between a poster waffling about someone they are voting for and waffling about someone they aren’t voting for? Do you view the situations the same? If so, why? Do you view them as different? If so, why? Or is it a bit of both? yeh, **hoop** my opinion of you has not changed. sure i could have voted you right out of the gate. votes are cheap, right? i’ll not make that mistake again. and i think waffling for someone you are voting for is much more heinous than waffling for someone you are not voting for. and that is where i currently struggle. there seem to be several folks that are voting for folks but aren’t convinced. well shoot, unless they are the cop or scum or then who the hell is convinced about their vote? i mean you don’t have to tell me. i mean i think you are scum but i don’t feel compelled to have every comment about you coming from me be caveated with “well, i sure hope he’s not town” kind of nonsense. and this is metagame so to heck with you **pleo** 🙂 and maybe it’s unfair but, meh. you are a strong player. and for you to use an argument against a fellow player for basically doing the same thing that you were doing seems scummy to me (at least the way i read it). is that fair enough **hoopy**? i mean i am not asking you to agree (matter of fact i would suspect that you would disagree) but whether i at least answered your questions. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2010, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2040 "2010-08-31T20:41:54Z")
> [@Snickers](#): > > (Sorry guys, I took the low hanging fruit; I’m not doing **peeker**.) \ you can always do me after **drain** gets done with me. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=101) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=103)