# Lord of the Rings Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 10, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867 "2010-08-10T19:56:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 110
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2181 "2010-09-05T12:01:03Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Movie shoot complete! Meeko, your shoot might have been a drag, but I love this stuff. I was the director of photography if you were curious. :un-game related post: What movie? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2182 "2010-09-05T13:28:14Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > What would a scum team need to balance a Cop, Doctor, Role Blocker, Inventor threat? > > Why, are you afraid we have an unfair advantage? I’m not sure anyone really knows what’s balanced any more, and even if we can come up with what we think is balanced, that doesn’t mean that **Mahaloth** thought the same way we did. But the fact that they managed to kill the Doctor so easily suggests that they’re likely to have a role-blocker (I expect that **Natlaw** will also report being blocked), > > Snipped Not so sure that we have an an investigator. Hence me asking about balance. But I guess Nat now knows what to say. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2183 "2010-09-05T13:41:29Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > What movie? **[out of game]** I mentioned up-thread that I just finished my BFA in digital cinema arts, and now I’m getting my masters. A band here in Saint Louis was looking for a music video, and they picked a friend of mine to direct it. He called me up and asked me to be his DP for the shoot. It was a really awesome shoot. We were working entirely on a RED ONE (near-IMAX quality) camera on a steadicam, sometimes with a fisheye lens, so lighting was a challenge. But I love this stuff, and we all had a great time. **[/out of game]** ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2184 "2010-09-05T15:39:45Z")
> [@](#): > > But I guess Nat now knows what to say. It was already mentioned way back when **Plankton** claimed that he’d probably just report that he was blocked, regardless of whether he was telling the truth or not. And if **Natlaw** is lying scum, then he’s had all Night to brainstorm with his colleagues about this. This isn’t some revolutionary idea. What I’m really more interested in hearing from him is his role name and mechanics, and possibly what his other investigation was. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2185 "2010-09-05T15:42:55Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > But I guess Nat now knows what to say. > > It was already mentioned way back when **Plankton** claimed that he’d probably just report that he was blocked, regardless of whether he was telling the truth or not. And if **Natlaw** is lying scum, then he’s had all Night to brainstorm with his colleagues about this. This isn’t some revolutionary idea. > > What I’m really more interested in hearing from him is his role name and mechanics, and possibly what his other investigation was. +1. At this stage we need a full claim with ALL inv results ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2186 "2010-09-05T16:57:18Z")
**peeker** : I’m male fyi. I still don’t think revealing my full results are useful at this point. That I didn’t get killed last Night adds to my reasons - I think the scum are looking for something precious. I wasn’t blocked last Night either as I investigated **Nanook** succesfully. Night two I investigated **Guiri** and I will reveal neither result now as I think it’s better not revealed. Night One I investigated **Astral** and since he has now claimed vanilla (but without name) and wasn’t killed last Night: I investigated him as a hobbit named _Peregrin Took_. As for my role PM I’ll post the power section. > [@](#): > > Powers: > > 1. You have a Palantir. If you use it during the Night, you may watch one other player in the game and learn whether they look like a human, hobbit, elf or dwarf. If the player is asleep you will have time to study them and learn their name. PM Mahaloth the name of the player you want to watch in the Palantir. > > 2. Some player would be able to hide or notice you when you watch then, be careful. > > You win when all threats to the Alliance of Light have been destroyed. The reason (‘no comment’ from Mahaloth) a Godfather wouldn’t be able to hide is more that if there is a Godfather it would be almost certainly Sauron and I would be better hiding. Similarly I think Gollum would be able to hide as he doesn’t look like a hobbit. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2187 "2010-09-05T17:08:53Z")
Day One: **Suburban** (11): Oredigger, Cucuy, Nanook, RedSkeezix, Gadarene, Specialed, Pleonast, Guiri, Drainbead, InnerStickler, Chronos **Peeker** (1): Natlaw **Astral** (1): USCDiver **Pleonast** (1): Meeko **SpecialEd** (5): Astral, Telcontar, MHaye, Suburban, Chipacabra **Chipacabra** (2): Hoopy, Oneandonly **OneandOnly** (1): Peeker **No vote** (1): LPN (now Snickers) Day Two: **AstralRejection** (1): Redskeezix **SpecialEd** (4): Chronos, Chipacabra, Astral, Snickers **Chipacabra** (11): Hoopy, Gadarene, Drainbead, Nanook, Specialed, Cucuy, Oneandonly, Guiri, USCDiver, Natlaw, MHaye **Hoopy** (1): Peeker **Peeker** (2): Meeko, Pleonast **Pleonast** (1): Inner Stickler **No vote** (1): Oredigger Day Three: **Specialed** (6): Chronos, Doctorwho, Natlaw, Guiri, Mhaye, Oneandonly **Astralrejection** (5): Redskeezix, Specialed, Drainbead, Hoopy, Innerstickler **Pleonast** (2): Meeko, Snickers **Snickers** (2): Nanook, USCDiver **Hoopy** (1): Peeker **Peeker** (1): Pleonast **Drainbead** (1): Astralrejection **No vote** (1): Cucuy Deaths: **Suburban Plankston – Denethor (Servant of Darkness – No special power)** **Telcontar – Legolas (Alliance of Light – Protector) Chipacabra – Treebeard (Alliance of Light – No special power) Gadarene – Aragorn (Alliance of Light – Special Objects) Specialed – Faramir (Alliance of Light – No special powers) Pleonast – Galadriel (Alliance of Light – Role-blocker)** Claims: **Meeko** - Celebron - Vanilla **Chronos** - Eowyn - knew Gadarene was Aragorn **Peeker** - Boromir - Vanilla \*\* Astral Rejection\*\* - Peregrin Took? - Vanilla **Natlaw** - Investigator Unknown: \*\*Red Skeezix Drain Bead Meeko OneandOnly Guiri Snickers Inner Stickler Doctor who NanooktheNorthShore MHaye HoopyFrood Cucuy USCDiver \*\* Corrections welcome. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2188 "2010-09-05T17:13:16Z")
Lots of typos for a role PM. So you’re a race cop? Plenty of evil characters are humans–I assume you got a “human” result Night One? Actually, based on the typos and the strangeness of the role itself, I plan on voting for you as soon as I am at a real computer and not a phone. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2189 "2010-09-05T17:31:35Z")
**Nat** I want to hear your role name or a good reason why not. Nat claimed to save Astral when Nat himself was under no pressure. If Nat is scum, the chances become good that Astral is scum power role. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2190 "2010-09-05T17:46:27Z")
Wow. I am indeed Peregrin Took. And yet, that might just be the scummiest post I’ve seen in a while. You don’t want to give out your full results. You weren’t roleblocked or killed last night, which means either the scum don’t have a roleblocker or you’re scum yourself. You can apparently only detect hobbits, elves, dwarves and men. What if you investigate a maiar like Gandalf or Sauron? No result? Your PM, much like SP’s fake, sounds unlike something Mahaloth would write. This line sounds particularly suspect: > [@](#): > > 1. Some player would be able to hide or notice you when you watch then, be careful. Players should be pluralized. Hide or notice sounds poorly worded. ‘Then’ instead of 'them." “Be careful” should be preceded by a semi-colon, not a comma. I suppose it’s not completely impossible you’re legit, but I’d say this is as conclusive as it gets. Here’s what I think. You’re a scum investigator who investigated me and found out who I am. I was about to swing, so you posted a late-day claim revealing that you know who I am. I get lynched, and you buy yourself a ton of town cred for “trying” to save me. Only you posted it a little too early, and people switched to Ed instead. I’m willing to bet you don’t actually know what Guiri or Nanook are, either. What were the results of their investigation? **Vote Natlaw.** ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2191 "2010-09-05T17:58:50Z")
You investigated me? Well, then I think it’s definately time to claim. I can’t imagine you guys not killing me Tonight. I am Gandalf. I’m a detective. Night 1 I investigated Meeko, Night 2 Natlaw, and last Night Guiri. Meeko and Guiri came back with Town results, though I make no promises about the existance or not of a Godfather. Natlaw came back with a scum result. Based on that and his claims, I’m guessing he’s a scum investigator(which is why I’m claiming now rather than waiting. There’s no way the scum would pass on killing Gandalf.) \*\* Vote Natlaw \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2192 "2010-09-05T18:04:34Z")
Add to that, there’s no other good-aligned player who would have a palantir. And an outed investigator should pretty much always tell all their results. And an outed power role of any sort should at least reveal their _name_. > [@](#): > > You can apparently only detect hobbits, elves, dwarves and men. What if you investigate a maiar like Gandalf or Sauron? No result? I suppose a maia might be argued to look like a human or elf (despite being fundamentally completely different), but we also had an ent in this game, and there’s no conceivable way anyone would ever mistake an ent for any kind of humanoid. What would have happened if he’d investigated **Chipacabra**? There’s too many inconsistencies here. So I, too, will **Vote Natlaw** ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2193 "2010-09-05T18:09:26Z")
OK, **Nanook** snuck in just before me, there. **Nanook** , if **Natlaw** came back Scum on Night 2, why didn’t you claim then? Or at least, try to quietly build a case against him? And can you post your PM? Do you just get alignment, or name, and if name, what name did you get for **Natlaw** and for **Guiri**? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2194 "2010-09-05T18:16:43Z")
**@Nanook:** There’s an outside shot you might just survive tonight after all. I think Natlaw has inadvertently slipped some key information: > [@](#): > > That I didn’t get killed last Night adds to my reasons - I think the scum are looking for something precious Looking for something precious. Something more important than killing a detective. Now, of course there’s a strong possibility that Natlaw just totally made that up (in which case you’re a goner, but trading for scum is a good trade). But it’s still something to keep in mind. If it’s true and you get at least one more investigation, we as a town should pick a good target for you to investigate. **@One and Only:** That’s a reasonable suggestion. Nat also attempted to tie things up between me and Special Ed, which would help your case. I know I’m town, however; can I suggest that Nanook use his investigation on me if we can’t think of a better target? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2195 "2010-09-05T18:20:21Z")
Interesting revelations today. **Vote Natlaw** I don’t buy your claim or your results or basically anything you’ve posted. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2196 "2010-09-05T18:27:13Z")
> [@](#): > > You are Gandalf. > > You are a member of the Alliance of Light. > > You are truly frightened about a future controlled by Sauron. You are sure that Sauron and his minions would destroy all good in Middle-earth. > > You are also a wizard, very ancient, and quite powerful. > > Powers: > > 1. Each Night, you may cast a spell to ascertain the true allegiance of any other player in the game. At Dawn of the next Day, you will receive a PM indicating the results of your spell. > > You win when all threats to the Alliance of Light have been destroyed. I didn’t claim Day 2 because the Doctor was dead. If I claimed then, it would be a straight one for one trade, which while nice enough, I didn’t think I would be NK’d so I choose to go for another investigation. When Natlaw made his last minute claim, I resolved to claim Today no matter. I only waited as long as I did because I wanted to see what Natlaw would say, maybe get something useful out of him. I even briefly toyed with not claiming at all Today, depening on what he said. But once he said he investigated me last Night, that went out the window due to the very real possibilty he’s a scum investigator, which would mean I’d be dead Tonight with my results gone forever. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2197 "2010-09-05T18:33:54Z")
**unvote peeker vote Natlaw** Looks like today’s lynch is tied on. What I want to discuss now is Nat’s motivations in trying to derail the Astral lynch. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2198 "2010-09-05T18:34:43Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > **@One and Only:** That’s a reasonable suggestion. Nat also attempted to tie things up between me and Special Ed, which would help your case. I know I’m town, however; can I suggest that Nanook use his investigation on me if we can’t think of a better target? It occurs to me that a godfather would say that, too. If you think I’m Sauron, not even an investigation would change your mind. If Natlaw turns up scum (and let’s be honest, I’m just about sure he will), I can’t begrudge you for voting for me in turn. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2199 "2010-09-05T18:38:48Z")
Just a note, by the way, on reasoning: Even if **Natlaw** is lying, that’s _not_ evidence that he’s a Scum investigator, just evidence that the Scum have an investigator (who might be someone else), given that they can easily share their information. > [@](#): > > I didn’t claim Day 2 because the Doctor was dead. If I claimed then, it would be a straight one for one trade, which while nice enough, I didn’t think I would be NK’d so I choose to go for another investigation. OK, I’m not sure that’s what I would have done, but I can see the reasoning. For the record, though, it would have been a little better than a straight one-for-one claim, since you’d also have cleared a Townie. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2010, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2200 "2010-09-05T18:45:49Z")
Quoth **Astral** : > [@](#): > > It occurs to me that a godfather would say that, too. If you think I’m Sauron, not even an investigation would change your mind. If Natlaw turns up scum (and let’s be honest, I’m just about sure he will), I can’t begrudge you for voting for me in turn. If **Natlaw** comes up Scum, then what he said about you is null. He could have been trying to save a Scum-buddy, or he could have been trying to build up cred by correctly identifying a Townie. On the other hand, the possibility of a godfather (or, possibly, miller) is a good argument for _not_ making public in advance who the Detective is going to investigate. If the Scum know that the detective is about to make an incorrect investigation, they can choose to let him live to make sure the misinformation gets out there. And even if the chosen target isn’t the Godfather, they might also let an investigation of a townie go through, in hopes that we’ll suspect the detective and/or person investigated and do their work for them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=109) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=111)