# Lord of the Rings Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 10, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867 "2010-08-10T19:56:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 122
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2421 "2010-09-11T18:41:13Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > ok. > > > > **chronos** think of it this way. Day is winding down. **peek** says, “oh, btw **chronos** is scum. get back to you later on details”. would that be enough for you to move your vote to **chronos**? > > YES > > unless we are approaching LyLo a player committing to a role and a result is enough to treat as kosher at lynch - half an hour. If they are lying we are doing a 1 for 1. ALWAYS a good thing for town. wonderful, you are scum. gonna change your vote? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2422 "2010-09-11T18:43:08Z")
**@Hoopy** > [@](#): > > Why kill the possibly protected detective This is the second time you’ve indicated that there might be a second healer. Why do you keep insisting upon this? Our protector AND our inventor-type are both dead. Who else are you expecting to be protecting people? > [@](#): > > Why does Red Skeezix being dead make you look scummy? Red Skeezix has voted for me repeatedly, and IIRC led the voting charge against me at least once. It struck me as a killing designed to put some more pressure on me, as if it were a defensive nightkill. > [@](#): > > Why would Nanook investigate someone who stands a good chance to be Godfather anyway? Oh, I see. I was using reverse-psychology. “Hey, investigate me! Wait, don’t, I might be the godfather. Haha, you’re blocked anyway!” I’m not sure why you think I would bring it up at all, if I was the godfather and planning to kill someone else all along. > [@](#): > > I think Natlaw was just throwing out noise. Totally possible, although scum did know my correct name. They had to figure it out somehow. **@Chronos** > [@](#): > > And leaving him unblocked to let him investigate you would only work if he were foolish enough to try to investigate you in the first place, which I don’t think he is. So… if I’m scum, why did I leave him alive? If not to investigate me, why else should he live? On a somewhat-related topic, I’d like to go back to when **Special Ed** and I were tied up. If I’m super special scum and Natlaw was supposed to save me, _why did I unvote Ed?_ Ed won the lynch by a single vote. I cut it awfully close there on my _own rescue_ when I could have revoted Ed and sealed the deal. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2423 "2010-09-11T19:00:44Z")
Alive: 1. Drain Bead 2. Meeko 3. Astral Rejection 4. OneandOnly 5. Chronos 6. Guiri 7. Snickers 8. Inner Stickler 9. Doctor who 10. NanooktheNorthShore 11. MHaye 12 HoopyFrood 12. Cucuy 13. Peeker 14. USCDiver Dead: **Suburban Plankston – Denethor (Servant of Darkness – No special power)** **Telcontar – Legolas (Alliance of Light – Protector) Chipacabra – Treebeard (Alliance of Light – No special power) Gadarene – Aragorn (Alliance of Light – Special Objects) Specialed – Faramir (Alliance of Light – no special powers) Pleonast – Galadriel (Alliance of Light – Role-blocker with telepathy)** **Natlaw – Saruman (Servant of Darkness – Watcher with Palantir)** **Redskeezix – Eomer (Alliance of Light – no special power)** ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2424 "2010-09-11T19:06:43Z")
I’ve thought about this and I think this is the right time. I successfully shook hands with Ed, I am therefore VT or scum. I know I am VT. Scum know I am VT, some town may have not noticed. This means scum have more info than town. I am going to correct this. > [@](#): > > You are Meriadoc Brandybuck. > > You are a member of the Alliance of Light. > > You are truly frightened about a future controlled by Sauron. You are sure that Sauron and his minions would destroy all good in Middle-earth and this includes your family and loved ones. You will not stop until Sauron and his minions are destroyed. > > Powers: > > You have no other powers beyond daily voting for lynching. > > You win when all threats to the Alliance of Light have been destroyed. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2425 "2010-09-11T19:23:53Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Totally possible, although scum did know my correct name. They had to figure it out somehow. Mmm, hmm… > [@](#): > > So… if I’m scum, why did I leave him alive? If not to investigate me, why else should he live? Because a blocked investigator is the same as Vanilla Town. Of course, you leave him alive and keep hunting in the unconfirmed pool until the roleblocker has been killed. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2426 "2010-09-11T19:30:21Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > > > Totally possible, although scum did know my correct name. They had to figure it out somehow. > > Mmm, hmm… > > > [@](#): > > > > So… if I’m scum, why did I leave him alive? If not to investigate me, why else should he live? > > Because a blocked investigator is the same as Vanilla Town. Of course, you leave him alive and keep hunting in the unconfirmed pool until the roleblocker has been killed. and you would know that town has an rb exactly how? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2427 "2010-09-11T19:31:29Z")
whoopsie poopsie. hee hee. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2428 "2010-09-11T19:31:55Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > > [@USCDiver](#): > > > > Mmm, hmm… > > Because a blocked investigator is the same as Vanilla Town. Of course, you leave him alive and keep hunting in the unconfirmed pool until the roleblocker has been killed. > > and you would know that town has an rb exactly how? he doesn’t. He is assuming that SCUM have an RB as Nanook claimed to be blocked. Still happy with my vote. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2429 "2010-09-11T19:34:19Z")
easy as squeazy. **unvote all** **vote chronos** now i get to have fun. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2430 "2010-09-11T19:35:21Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > easy as squeazy. > > **unvote all** > > **vote chronos** > > now i get to have fun. You surely have to have a reason for that vote? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2431 "2010-09-11T19:35:21Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > and you would know that town has an rb exactly how? > > he doesn’t. He is assuming that SCUM have an RB as Nanook claimed to be blocked. > > Still happy with my vote. ok, got it. shoot you are next. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2432 "2010-09-11T19:38:39Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > > [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > > > he doesn’t. He is assuming that SCUM have an RB as Nanook claimed to be blocked. > > > > Still happy with my vote. > > ok, got it. shoot you are next. OK. Still no reason for the Chronos vote tho… ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2433 "2010-09-11T19:45:50Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > easy as squeazy. > > > > **[colorred]unvote all[/color]** > > > > **[colorblue]vote chronos[/color]** > > > > now i get to have fun. > > You surely have to have a reason for that vote? of course. i know that you are scum and that you refuse to move your vote to yourself. kind of dichotomous based on your logic. i mean you want it both ways. since you already said that you would take a “dick” statement at its word. so i don’t see how it works with you. meh. how in the world would town assume there is an rb. that’s scum all over it. i mean i sure as hell don’t have a fracking clue. problem is for scum: i’m getting damn close. matter of fact i think i have two. let’s see how the posts play out. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2434 "2010-09-11T19:47:07Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > I’ve thought about this and I think this is the right time. I successfully shook hands with Ed, I am therefore VT or scum. I know I am VT. **Scum know I am VT** , some town may have not noticed. This means scum have more info than town. I am going to correct this. Run this one by me again? Until then: \*\* Vote Astral\*\* ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2435 "2010-09-11T19:47:31Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > > [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > > > You surely have to have a reason for that vote? > > of course. i know that you are scum and that you refuse to move your vote to yourself. kind of dichotomous based on your logic. i mean you want it both ways. since you already said that you would take a “dick” statement at its word. so i don’t see how it works with you. meh. > > how in the world would town assume there is an rb. that’s scum all over it. i mean i sure as hell don’t have a fracking clue. > > problem is for scum: i’m getting damn close. > > matter of fact i think i have two. let’s see how the posts play out. But why are you voting for Chronos? ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2436 "2010-09-11T19:48:35Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > > [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > > > I’ve thought about this and I think this is the right time. I successfully shook hands with Ed, I am therefore VT or scum. I know I am VT. **Scum know I am VT** , some town may have not noticed. This means scum have more info than town. I am going to correct this. > > Run this one by me again? > > Until then: > > \*\* > Vote Astral\*\* I handshook with Ed. This is there for all to see. Scum as a team are unlikely to have missed this as they can confer. Some town may have missed it. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2437 "2010-09-11T19:51:37Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > I handshook with Ed. This is there for all to see. Scum as a team are unlikely to have missed this as they can confer. Some town may have missed it. \*\*We agree the handshake was a failed idea. \*\* \*\*We have no clue as to weather or not Scum were handed VT cover roles or not. \*\* The claim this soon after start of the day is iffy timing at best. Seems to me you know that your bud Astral is as good as your bud Natlaw was before it. Best to clear your name and to get “confirmed” as town ASAP, eh? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2438 "2010-09-11T19:53:53Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > of course. i know that you are scum and that you refuse to move your vote to yourself. kind of dichotomous based on your logic. i mean you want it both ways. since you already said that you would take a “dick” statement at its word. so i don’t see how it works with you. meh. > > > > how in the world would town assume there is an rb. that’s scum all over it. i mean i sure as hell don’t have a fracking clue. > > > > problem is for scum: i’m getting damn close. > > > > matter of fact i think i have two. let’s see how the posts play out. > > But why are you voting for Chronos? i believe his pm to be shit. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2439 "2010-09-11T19:54:26Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Meanwhile, though: **Natlaw** was a watcher, not a full investigator. I consider it unlikely that the Scum would have had both a watcher and a normal investigator, and yet he knew (as confirmed by **Astral** ) what **Astral** was. This implies that **Astral** is Scum. **Mahaloth** clarified and basically said that **Natlaw** was a tracker. Assuming he based his false claim on his real role PM and simply replacing the underlined portion with “who they visit”, there may be a way for a scum tracker to learn another player’s name without having a cop. And, by being asleep, it’s likely that the player had no Night actions and could therefore be VT. > [@Natlaw](#): > > 1. You have a Palantir. If you use it during the Night, you may watch one other player in the game and learn whether they look like a human, hobbit, elf or dwarf. If the player is asleep you will have time to study them and learn their name. PM Mahaloth the name of the player you want to watch in the Palantir. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2440 "2010-09-11T19:54:42Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > > [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > > > I handshook with Ed. This is there for all to see. Scum as a team are unlikely to have missed this as they can confer. Some town may have missed it. > > \*\*We agree the handshake was a failed idea. \*\* > > \*\*We have no clue as to weather or not Scum were handed VT cover roles or not. \*\* > > The claim this soon after start of the day is iffy timing at best. Seems to me you know that your bud Astral is as good as your bud Natlaw was before it. Best to clear your name and to get “confirmed” as town ASAP, eh? regardless. For me to have handshook, either I am VT or had access to a VT role pm (which would make me scum) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=121) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=123)