# Lord of the Rings Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 10, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867 "2010-08-10T19:56:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 127
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2521 "2010-09-14T18:05:05Z")
But but but… \*\*Chronos’ \*\*information was revealed during Day 1. So there’s no way he could have gotten that info except through the moderater. Unless you think there is a Scum Day-time investigator… or that there was an investigation on Night 0…AND this would require that the Scum not kill a player thay ostensibly know to be Aragorn on Night 1. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2522 "2010-09-14T18:07:27Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > \*\*Vote Count: > > Astral(6): Chronos, USCDiver, Meeko, Innerstickler, Snickers, Drainbead > > Peeker(2): Oneandonly, Nanook > > Cucuy(1): Peeker > \*\* You missed my Astral vote at 2418. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2523 "2010-09-14T18:13:38Z")
> [@Snickers](#): > > Um, we all “kind of knew” who Faramir was: \*\*ed \*\*claimed to be Faramir way back in post 967, maybe earlier. See, the key to the difference between your claim and **Chronos** ’ is that \*\*Chronos \*\*told us he knew who Aragorn was way before we even knew there was an Aragorn playing. Your only claimed to know who Faramir was after someone revealed he was Faramir. Then you got this hunch that you were a sort of “half mason” too, based on what you knew of canon. All of **Chronos** ’ posts indicate that he got his information from \*\*Mahaloth \*\*(not that he actually did, he could be lying). All of your posts indicate that you’ve invented this information out of whole cloth. > > Is it convenient, if **Chronos** is scum, for there to actually be an Aragorn playing and later killed, to validate his claim? Sure. But the way he went about his claim is a lot less scummier than the way you went about yours. apparantly scum **natlaw** had information about who was in the game, right? so having another potential scum also have additional information about who was playing would not be unexpected. matter of fact i think it would fit nicely with canon. so the fact that **chronos** “knew” before hand about aragorn makes me highly skeptical since the only other person that has had that type of information and fessed up early was scum. ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2524 "2010-09-14T18:18:31Z")
**USCDiver** , I think we’re saying the same thing. \*\*peeker \*\*seems to believe that \*\*Chronos \*\*is scum because of his claim, a claim that he feels is largely unverified. Then he seems to make a comparison to his own claim, and if we buy **Chronos** ’s claim, why don’t we buy his? I was just pointing out that while \*\*Chronos \*\*certainly could be lying, the way he laid out his information is a lot less scummy than the way **peeker** ’s attempted to lay out his own case. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2525 "2010-09-14T18:27:51Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > apparantly scum **natlaw** had information about who was in the game, right? > > so having another potential scum also have additional information about who was playing would not be unexpected. matter of fact i think it would fit nicely with canon. so the fact that **chronos** “knew” before hand about aragorn makes me highly skeptical since the only other person that has had that type of information and fessed up early was scum. Um, \*\*Natlaw \*\*was a Scum watcher and didn’t ‘fess up’ until Day 3 and his 'fession was about a player we don’t know the alignment of. \*\*Chronos \*\*on the other hand hashed his confession on Day 1 about a player we DO know the alignment of (Town). These two cases are completely different. You HAVE to see that! ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Who](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Doctor\_Who](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Who)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2526 "2010-09-14T18:40:51Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Scum already knew that he was VT, since he took part in the handshaking way back on Day 1. The information has very little value to anyone, Town or Scum, and I think that **Wanderers** acknowledged that. Good point. I meant to look back at all the failshaking nonsense, but I didn’t. So… still I’m mystified as to what good the claim is. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2527 "2010-09-14T18:56:28Z")
> [@Doctor\_Who](#): > > > [@Chronos](#): > > > > Scum already knew that he was VT, since he took part in the handshaking way back on Day 1. The information has very little value to anyone, Town or Scum, and I think that **Wanderers** acknowledged that. > > Good point. I meant to look back at all the failshaking nonsense, but I didn’t. So… still I’m mystified as to what good the claim is. Ill re hash my reasoning. All this is based on me being town k? Scum can usually discuss stuff at night. At least one of em had to notice I successfully hand shook with Ed. That means, as they know im not one of them I am VT. Some town may have not noticed my handshaking, or may have forgotten, which means as regards to me, scum had more info than town. I thought this was not a good thing, so I claimed to even things out. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2528 "2010-09-14T18:56:48Z")
Here’s a question for you, **peeker**. **Red Skeezix** apparently had the same PM that **special ed** did, aside from the name, given that he took part in the handshake. So he had the same “concerned about family” business in it. Would it have been reasonable, therefore, for him to conclude that someone claiming to be his sister was Town? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2529 "2010-09-14T19:57:46Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Here’s a question for you, **peeker**. **Red Skeezix** apparently had the same PM that **special ed** did, aside from the name, given that he took part in the handshake. So he had the same “concerned about family” business in it. Would it have been reasonable, therefore, for him to conclude that someone claiming to be his sister was Town? ok, i promise i am not trying to be obtuse but what in the world is the question? the fact that people participated in the failshake or did not really doesn’t mean a lot at this point, at least to me. there was nothing in **ed** ’s handshake that made me believe he was other than scum trying to suss out a bunch of information that could prove beneficial to scum. it was his later posts, primarily the glorfindel one that caught my eye. and which led me to believe with his claim of faramir that he was town. and i know this is metagame as all heck (and i am known to go down way too far that bunny hole) but this game is getting a little more sophisticated. what he was saying and what i know aligned. i arrived at a conclusion that was, in retrospect, accurate. and whether you think i am full of it or just spam the thread i promise there is intent in each content post. and i don’t think faramir had any sisters. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2530 "2010-09-14T20:07:18Z")
> [@](#): > > and i don’t think faramir had any sisters. No, but Eomer ( **Red Skeezix** ’s role) did. And the question was, would it have been reasonable for Eomer ( **Red Skeezix** ) to believe that someone claiming to be Eomer’s sister Eowyn was Town? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2531 "2010-09-14T20:32:50Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > and i don’t think faramir had any sisters. > > No, but Eomer ( **Red Skeezix** ’s role) did. And the question was, would it have been reasonable for Eomer ( **Red Skeezix** ) to believe that someone claiming to be Eomer’s sister Eowyn was Town? depending on what power or knowledge they might claim, sure. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2532 "2010-09-14T20:38:33Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > i arrived at a conclusion that was, in retrospect, accurate. and whether you think i am full of it or just spam the thread i promise there is intent in each content post. Wait, what? Your conclusion was that a lynch of \*\*specialed \*\*would lead to your death! Which in retrospect was inaccurate. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2533 "2010-09-14T21:05:33Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > i arrived at a conclusion that was, in retrospect, accurate. and whether you think i am full of it or just spam the thread i promise there is intent in each content post. > > Wait, what? Your conclusion was that a lynch of \*\*specialed \*\*would lead to your death! Which in retrospect was inaccurate. where was that **diver**? i kind of figured that **ed** flipping town would lead to my death but i don’t think i ever claimed a “lover” type of role. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2010, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2534 "2010-09-14T23:46:58Z")
I didn’t say you ‘claimed’ a lover role, but that was your [conclusion](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12833773&postcount=1472), like you ‘kind of figured’, despite all your obfuscations. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2535 "2010-09-15T00:10:47Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > I didn’t say you ‘claimed’ a lover role, but that was your [conclusion](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12833773&postcount=1472), like you ‘kind of figured’, despite all your obfuscations. boy, i don’t see that at all **diver**. matter of fact your comment is a total misrepresentation of what i said. please help me out where i was going to be dead if **ed** was killed. i certainly stated that lynching **ed** would be a mistake. but how do you extropolate that to my death? and i get accused of spam, sheesh. i mean deliberate misrepresentation used to be a hanging offense in these parts. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2536 "2010-09-15T01:02:47Z")
You JUST said that you “kind of figured that \*\*ed \*\*flipping town would lead to my death”, now you’re saying that’s you didn’t mean that as a lover type role? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2537 "2010-09-15T01:11:38Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > You JUST said that you “kind of figured that \*\*ed \*\*flipping town would lead to my death”, now you’re saying that’s you didn’t mean that as a lover type role? nah, i was thinking that if scum had a half a brain they would want me dead. of course they will probably just go for a lynch and not waste a Night kill. just so we are clear, **diver** i think of “lovers” as one person getting killed and the other person dying as a result of that death. you really don’t see the difference where a game mechanic results in immediate death as opposed to information in the game leaning towards death? i mean, shit, don’t play on idles’s board. you will get eaten alive. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2538 "2010-09-15T01:14:11Z")
is ‘eaten alive’ another role/game mechanic you’re working on for your next game? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2539 "2010-09-15T02:11:04Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > is ‘eaten alive’ another role/game mechanic you’re working on for your next game? matter of fact it is pretty close. i am thinking of a wine, entree and opera pairing. so yeh, if you got stuck with a montrachet, lamb and rossini you can bet it would eat your ass alive. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2010, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2540 "2010-09-15T02:18:14Z")
but the more i think about it a montrachet might go well depending on the appetizer. obviously one would want a syrah to go with the lamb. but if it is lobster or scallops to start with a little bit of nuttiness coupled with the rossini might actually make a funky pairing and an incredible evening. woot woot. i think i’ll try it this weekend. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=126) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=128)