# Lord of the Rings Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 10, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867 "2010-08-10T19:56:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/241 "2010-08-12T17:31:18Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > > [@Gadarene](#): > > > > Wow, I feel like we’re potentially giving out a ton of information here. Based on my recollection of past games, isn’t it reasonable to assume that Scum might have a Night Zero kill? If so, why – pray tell – are we talking about powers so much? Not to mention discussing our role PMs in such detail (however obliquely) – and I recognize that I’m one of the posters who’s been doing it, but I think we’re verging into counterproductive territory, so I’m gonna stop. > > Unless the mod is being a gastard, there are no powers used during Night Zero. > > > [@Mahaloth](#): > > > > I’ll announce when Night Zero(an intro Night with no kills or power usage) begins after the signups are complete and we’ll go from there. Totally missed that the first time around, so it makes me feel marginally better. Thanks, Pleo. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/242 "2010-08-12T17:32:56Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > is it indented, though? which would seem to indicate it would be a separate section. or is it just run on with the rest of the information that you received? > > More of a double return than an indentation, ya know **ed** you are being deliberately obtuse and you know it. you know how to yank my chain and this is how you fracking do it. a fucking double return is in the same section? jeebus dude. isn’t that the fucking definition of a new section? and to **gadarene**. let the players play as they see fit. if they don’t want to talk, they won’t. if they feel it advances their cause then let 'em go. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/243 "2010-08-12T17:35:07Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > and to **gadarene**. let the players play as they see fit. if they don’t want to talk, they won’t. if they feel it advances their cause then let 'em go. Odds are their cause is my cause, though, which I guess brings us back around to the whole “what constitutes anti-town behavior?” question. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/244 "2010-08-12T17:38:16Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > Okay, at this point I’m inclined to think that the role PMs are distinct, or at least that there are several variations. We can either: > 1.) Continue with a fairly fruitless discussion. > 2.) Move on > 3.) Make some attempt to make sense of the apparent differences. > > I’m a bit torn about the merits of 3. In many ways it resembles 1, but it has the illusion of progress and poses some danger to power roles. On the other hand, I’m growing rather suspicious of players as a result of what’s happened already and this might clear it up. The only information we each have is our own role PM. We don’t even have a sample or vanilla role PM to compare to. So it makes sense that we discuss this. While it might not lead us to finding scum, we have no reason to believe that it won’t. For example, I have no idea what a vanilla role PM looks like. From **ed** ’s comments, I now know he is either not vanilla town or vanilla town have a “Powers” section. Is that useful? I don’t know, but it’s more than I knew beforehand. > [@peekercpa](#): > > a fucking double return is in the same section? jeebus dude. isn’t that the fucking definition of a new section? I’d call that a new paragraph. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/245 "2010-08-12T17:57:20Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > I’d call that a new paragraph. \ of fucking wonderful now we get to have a discussion about is a paragraph a new section or vice versa? or are they the same? all english teachers please raise your hands and take center stage. and when **ed** raises his hand i am hitting it with a ruler. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/246 "2010-08-12T17:59:33Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > of fucking wonderful now we get to have a discussion about is a paragraph a new section or vice versa? or are they the same? If you didn’t want to discuss that, why did you attack **ed** about it? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/247 "2010-08-12T18:06:32Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > For example, I have no idea what a vanilla role PM looks like. From **ed** ’s comments, I now know he is either not vanilla town or vanilla town have a “Powers” section. \ this is a very interesting observation. how do you know that **ed** is just potentially full of shit? i know you have claimed town power so that your sections might not look the same as the rest of the folks. but how do you make that leap? or do you know something about **ed** that you might want to share with the rest of us? or is it something even more ominous? **mod observation: it really is time to kick this fucker off** ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/248 "2010-08-12T18:32:05Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Colorless. 'nuf said I didn’t play in Colorless so it isn’t enough for me. What happened? ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/249 "2010-08-12T18:41:01Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > > [@special\_ed](#): > > > > Colorless. 'nuf said > > I didn’t play in Colorless so it isn’t enough for me. What happened? This might not be ed’s take but it’s mine: Drain Bead and mental guy had some very scummy comments near the end of the game, regarding how it was astonishing that storyteller could be alive and not scum so far along in the game. However, they were both exonerated because they had some some protown moments too. IOW, You can’t simply sum up the actions of a player. Ask yourself this question, if a player does 9 pro town things and 1 pro scum thing is that player more likely to be town or scum? Also, peeker was the scum mvp in that game due to the fact that he vigged an investigated townie over shooting in the uninvestigated pool, based on a hunch. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/250 "2010-08-12T18:45:14Z")
NETA: [fluff] colorless still chafes my ass because I had solid cases on two scum players and town decided to lynch me because scum decided not to roleblock.[/fluff] ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/251 "2010-08-12T18:46:12Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > > [@Pleonast](#): > > > > I’d call that a new paragraph. > > \ > > of fucking wonderful now we get to have a discussion about is a paragraph a new section or vice versa? or are they the same? > > all english teachers please raise your hands and take center stage. > > and when **ed** raises his hand i am hitting it with a ruler. I don’t teach English. I teach special education. {insert your own joke here] ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/252 "2010-08-12T18:58:18Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > of fucking wonderful now we get to have a discussion about is a paragraph a new section or vice versa? or are they the same? > > If you didn’t want to discuss that, why did you attack **ed** about it? how the fuck was my question an attack? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/253 "2010-08-12T19:03:19Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > **ed** you are being deliberately obtuse and you know it. you know how to yank my chain and this is how you fracking do it. > > a fucking double return is in the same section? jeebus dude. isn’t that the fucking definition of a new section? That looks like an attack to me, but your posts are typically on the edge of incomprehensibility to me, so maybe I’m misreading you. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/254 "2010-08-12T19:06:32Z")
Really looking forward to starting Day One right about now… ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/255 "2010-08-12T19:07:18Z")
and **pleo** not that i had about five minutes to digest it. we are talking about role pm’s. **ed** mentioned that he did not have a separate “section” i asked him about it and he responded that he just had some carriage returns (or something). that’s crap and you know it. sounds like fucking clinton. the bitch didn’t even swallow so i don’t see how that meets the definition of sex. heebus creebus. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/256 "2010-08-12T19:09:31Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > > [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > > > How many times does your PM mention “Sauron and his minions” ? > > Once. Does yours say it more than once? Yes it does. It includes the Dark Lord’s name 3 times, 2 of which are part of the “Suaron and his minions” bit. Apparently, my role has a real hard-on for that guy. > [@special\_ed](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > maybe you have already explained this. and if so i didn’t catch it. so you want to pull some sort of half ass handshake, right? but you don’t have a wincon. > > > > seems inconsistent. > > I have a WinCon, just no WinCon section. It just sorta hangs there after the ‘Powers’ section. My WinCon sort of hangs there as well. It’s in it’s own paragraph, separate from everything else, but doesn’t have a header delineating it as such. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/257 "2010-08-12T19:12:37Z")
Quoth **peeker** : > [@](#): > > this is a very interesting observation. > > how do you know that ed is just potentially full of shit? **ed** being full of shit is presumably a subset of **ed** not being vanilla Town. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/258 "2010-08-12T19:15:57Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > **ed** you are being deliberately obtuse and you know it. you know how to yank my chain and this is how you fracking do it. > > > > a fucking double return is in the same section? jeebus dude. isn’t that the fucking definition of a new section? > > That looks like an attack to me, but your posts are typically on the edge of incomprehensibility to me, so maybe I’m misreading you. **arrrrrrr.** jeebus i always get caught in this nonsense early on. he said he did not have a separate section for his wincon. just a couple of line spaces, capiche. that sounds like typical **ed** obfuscation and i am getting sick of it. oh, i am going to do a handshake but i don’t have the information to pull it off. oh shit i don’t have a wincon but want to see what everyone else does. how the fuck does he pull a handshke off if he has no fucking wincon? sounds scummy as shit to me. seriously, wtf. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/259 "2010-08-12T19:16:24Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > and **pleo** not that i had about five minutes to digest it. we are talking about role pm’s. **ed** mentioned that he did not have a separate “section” i asked him about it and he responded that he just had some carriage returns (or something). that’s crap and you know it. I’m not sure why you think it’s crap. That’s a more or less accurate description of my victory condition–no separate section, but a new paragraph. Maybe you have as much a problem interpreting straightforward text as I do vague ramblings. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/260 "2010-08-12T19:17:06Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Really looking forward to starting Day One right about now… Really? I was just buttering the popcorn so I could sit back and enjoy the show… Day 1 cannot start soon enough. Oooh, I just had a thought…maybe this is the ‘Day without Dawn’…[keeps eyes peeled for hordes of Morgul orcs] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=14)