# Lord of the Rings Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 10, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867 "2010-08-10T19:56:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 130
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2581 "2010-09-16T01:17:22Z")
\*\*Vote Count: Astral(7): Chronos, USCDiver, Innerstickler, Snickers, Drainbead, Hoopy, Doctorwho Peeker(5): Oneandonly, Nanook, MHaye, Guiri, Meeko Cucuy(1): Peeker \*\* ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2582 "2010-09-16T01:34:31Z")
and please don’t take this wrong folks. but i really am going to take my wins and losses from this board and chart them separately. if i look back on the last 10 games i have played every loss has been on this board as town. of course the one time that i was vigging every freaking townie that i could find will stay on the board. but the rest of 'em, meh. **wanderer** is scum as well as **chronos**. probably throw a lurker in there as well. based on the disclosed firepower of town as well as information not in the game thread there are most likely five scum. any less and it makes no sense. good luck folks, and when i flip town look at who started this run. you betcha there are scum there. obviously **wanderer** and most likely **mhaye**. that’s all i’ve got. and just to put it on the record because i love being right **unvote** **vote wanderer** ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2583 "2010-09-16T01:44:11Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > that’s all i’ve got. **I believe you Peeker.** That is all you got. That is, you are lying about the rest. At least you admit it now. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2584 "2010-09-16T01:46:28Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > and i ask this with total sincerity. how do i confuse? \*\* You would be doing it right now. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2585 "2010-09-16T01:48:57Z")
**Peeker,** you want me to take your word that Wanderer and Chronos is Scum, but you wont tell me why I should believe you ? \*\* And you don’t see anything wrong here? \*\* \*\* And you don’t a problem reconciling Hiding things that you don’t have to hide against the concept of Town motivation? \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2586 "2010-09-16T01:50:10Z")
It would seem I have a problem with dropping full words, here, lately. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2587 "2010-09-16T02:07:32Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > **USCDiver’s** insistence on Sauron not being in the game is incredibly fishy. Claiming that I wasn’t justifying my hypothetical enough for his taste is weird. The very first post of this game mentions Sauron. Our role PMs mention Sauron. Claiming I’m scum for assuming Sauron is in the game, and making an additional leap that he’d be the Godfather, is weird to me. Take a very close look his way, too. I think is a mischaracterization of the point I was trying to make. I never insisted that Sauron was NOT in the game. I simply state that Town aligned players should maintain a level of skepticism about purported roles or characters included in a closed set-up game. You did not seem to share my skepticism and I took that as a scum tell. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2588 "2010-09-16T02:09:49Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > that’s all i’ve got. > > **I believe you Peeker.** > > That is all you got. > > That is, you are lying about the rest. At least you admit it now. after the game is over or we are both dead i will tell you what happened. promise. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2589 "2010-09-16T02:17:20Z")
here’s a pm for you. since you folks seem to like that kind of shit. mafia * * * if what ed posted just now is true you get the bastard of all times award. and i will play it that way, just to let you know. but at least we got a little action. when i come out with boromir it ought to be a feeding frenzy. either that or these folks don’t deserve the level of effort that the mods put into the games. woot woot. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2590 "2010-09-16T02:18:27Z")
Uh, **peeker** , you do realize that there are other players playing the game, right? So when someone asks “what was the crappy Town play”, you’re expected to answer something a little more than “You’re Scum”. And even if you did know that **Wanderers** and I were Scum (which I know you don’t, since I am in fact Town), it doesn’t do diddly for you to know that if nobody else does, which means that you should kind of explain your reasons to the rest of us. Ah, well. Once **Astral** , whom you’re certain is Town but whom you insisted we should have killed, is dead, it’ll become apparent just how hard you’ve been working to avoid lynching Scum. Well, even more apparent, at least. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2591 "2010-09-16T02:20:47Z")
here is one more just to make your head hurt. in a good way hopefully. mafia * * * ok, if ed and i make it to the morning this fucker is coming unglued. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2592 "2010-09-16T02:42:54Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Uh, **peeker** , you do realize that there are other players playing the game, right? So when someone asks “what was the crappy Town play”, you’re expected to answer something a little more than “You’re Scum”. And even if you did know that **Wanderers** and I were Scum (which I know you don’t, since I am in fact Town), it doesn’t do diddly for you to know that if nobody else does, which means that you should kind of explain your reasons to the rest of us. > > Ah, well. Once **Astral** , whom you’re certain is Town but whom you insisted we should have killed, is dead, it’ll become apparent just how hard you’ve been working to avoid lynching Scum. Well, even more apparent, at least. sorry **chronos** such was not the intent. i think it was a crappy town play to go down the handshake path. i think you saying you knew who aragorn was unnecessary. i think that whole nonsense on Day 1 was terrible. but you know the person who insitigated it was town. just kind of goes to show you that not good for town does not equate to scum. i don’t know that you are town **chronos** (and to be honest the more you shout it the less convinced i become). the only person that has claimed the same level of knowledge that you have is scum. jeez two equals two in my book. and i fully anticipate that you will disagree and that would be expected so no great shakes or hard feelings there. and the worst of times come across us. i could have kept my yippity shut and let **astral** swing. but now it looks like a certain cadre will put my neck in the noose. one more town gone and then back to the **astral** conundrum. but now that i think about it. **unvote** **vote cucuy (or whatever)** because i think you and **wanderer** are scum. but i know that non participation is anti game. which i find a much more heinous offense. my two cents, ymmv, etc. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2593 "2010-09-16T02:55:01Z")
Fuck this… I don’t want to wait until Tomorrow anymore. \*\*peeker \*\*Today, \*\*Astral \*\*Tomorrow. \*\*unvote Astral vote Peeker \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2594 "2010-09-16T02:58:31Z")
> [@](#): > > the only person that has claimed the same level of knowledge that you have is scum. The only person that has claimed the same level of knowledge I have is me. Here’s another question: If you’re so all-fired certain that **Wanderers** and I are both Scum, what would that say if one of us were to flip Town? Would you say that would be enough justification for everyone else to lynch you? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2595 "2010-09-16T03:01:39Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > the only person that has claimed the same level of knowledge that you have is scum. > > The only person that has claimed the same level of knowledge I have is me. > > Here’s another question: If you’re so all-fired certain that **Wanderers** and I are both Scum, what would that say if one of us were to flip Town? Would you say that would be enough justification for everyone else to lynch you? certainly. as long as you go along with when i flip town they lynch you. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2596 "2010-09-16T03:10:17Z")
By the way: **USCDiver** ’s vote switch puts us at 6-6, with **Astral** , **cucuy** , and (effectively) **peeker** not voting. **Astral** is currently still the lynch designee, as I understand the tiebreaker rules, since he reached 6 votes before **peeker** did. **cucuy** hasn’t posted in over two weeks, so I think it’s safe to say he’s not doing anything in the game any more, so it’ll come down to whether and when our two potential lynchees place self-defense votes: If neither does, then it’s **Astral** , and if they do, whoever places their vote first lives. Frankly, I think it odd that neither one of them has placed a meaningful vote yet. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2597 "2010-09-16T03:11:51Z")
> [@](#): > > certainly. as long as you go along with when i flip town they lynch you. No, that part only follows if you can give an actual reason for being certain I’m Scum. You’re the one who swears you’re certain, so you have to bear the responsibility for that. That’s how it works. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2598 "2010-09-16T03:48:41Z")
Why, exactly, is it odd that I haven’t voted yet? As the lynch designee, I was spending my time mulling over the game. I’ve been looking over at everyone, collecting my thoughts, and I plan on putting them down in-game before I die. I’ll vote when I’m good and ready. However, I haven’t decided who strikes me as most scummy yet. And a defensive vote on Peeker right this second does town no good, if it’s motivated solely to save myself. If I decide that he’s most scummiest, I’ll vote him then. Until that moment, it’s Peeker’s game to vote for me or not. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2599 "2010-09-16T03:54:31Z")
**Hey Mahaloth, is there some sort of system in place to deal with non-players like Cucuy? If he hasn’t posted in two weeks, will you eventually modkill him?** I’d like to know if I have to bother looking through his posts for my final write-up or not. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2600 "2010-09-16T04:16:26Z")
See Astral, you say things like that and that’s part of the reason people think you’re scum. Let’s assume for a second that you are in fact Town. I don’t believe this, but let’s go with it for a moment. You do not, and in fact cannot, know that peeker is Town. However, you DO know that you yourself are Town. Therefore a defensive vote, from your standpoint, is a positive thing. You are definately contributing to the saving of a Town player. That said, once again I think you are scum. And as such, don’t feel like giving you that chance. \*\* unvote peeker vote Astral \*\* [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=129) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=131)