# Lord of the Rings Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 10, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867 "2010-08-10T19:56:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 132
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2621 "2010-09-16T14:05:35Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > > [@Snickers](#): > > > > Wait, I see. **Natlaw** would’ve been sharing the investigator’s results, not his own. Yeah, I’m slow. > > \*\*Wait. What? IIRC Nat had the Plantir. Where does the game of " telephone " come in? \*\* He conflated my 1 & 2 options originally then realised they were for consideration in isolation is all. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2622 "2010-09-16T14:06:29Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > > [@Snickers](#): > > > > Wait, I see. **Natlaw** would’ve been sharing the investigator’s results, not his own. Yeah, I’m slow. > > Wait. What? IIRC Nat had the Plantir. Where does the game of " telephone " come in? Snickers is talking about the case where SAHM have an investigator in their ranks. SAHM can talk amongst themselves, so a hypothetical investigator could have told Natlaw what AR’s name was to supplement Natlaw’s tracking ability. Alternatively, Natlaw could have been telling the truth about being able to read the name of a sleeping person. We won’t know until the end. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2623 "2010-09-16T14:15:03Z")
If you are going to lie on a result, wouldn’t you go all out? Wouldn’t you say more than what the plantir would have given you otherwise? If you are going to get caught on a small lie, you lose the tempo you would have had on a big lie. Does the fact that we no know so little help or hurt Astral? ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2624 "2010-09-16T14:16:01Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > If you are going to lie on a result, wouldn’t you go all out? Wouldn’t you say more than what the plantir would have given you otherwise? > > If you are going to get caught on a small lie, you lose the tempo you would have had on a big lie. > > Does the fact that we no know so little help or hurt Astral? it’s hurting him right now, because he stands to get lynched. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2625 "2010-09-16T14:17:57Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > It’s the last minute thing yesterday that throws me. The likelihood yesterday was that Nat’s reveal was too late and Astral was gonna swing anyway. This would have led to a Nat lynching straight away. 2 scum dead instead of one (If Astral is indeed scum) > > If however Astral swung and revealed town, well, Nat was on the way to being a confirmed investigator. my thougths exactly. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2626 "2010-09-16T14:33:32Z")
which is why i am not going to vote **astral** even to save my own ass. the only problem is that if we have a last minute vote switch and i end up swinging town gets to go back to the “astral conundrum” (patent pending) manana. sorry folks i just don’t vote for folks that i think are town. and yeh, there is very little that town “know” but if town can only operate in an environment of perfect knowledge then what is the point. i have tried to make some conclusions about folks based on information that i do “know”. the only thing is that it is not perfect knowledge. i surmised that **ed** and i were kind of half assed masons, being able to cross confirm based on what he posted. and in total frankness i think at some point he posted that he thought that was a half baked idea or didn’t agree with that conclusion or something along those lines. and seriously, **meeko** i don’t think it reasonable to expect that every player have the same level of knowledge that every other player has. to be honest i like playing niller and being free to just go about the game rather than worry about how each post is received. blindly ignorant and just trying to work it out individually. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2627 "2010-09-16T14:38:42Z")
and here is a question for the crowd. what would it look like if you gave a certain subset of players information about mod provided cover pm’s to a scum team? i mean, is that gastard? ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2628 "2010-09-16T14:54:08Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > and you know you are right i am taking **wanderer** to task for his position. if he would have had any other position than “man, i think **ed** is town but i am voting for him anyways” i would feel markedly different. i guess i just don’t get voting for folks you think are town. but apparantly, meh. OAOW’s reason of record was that Natlaw was vouching for AR, and that swayed his vote away from AR. This is a reasonable position, because it allows time for a test of the claimed investigator’s ability without prejudging the results. > [@](#): > > and based on in thread information (and i assume we are talking **chronos** here) maybe so maybe no. You assume wrong. I was asking about a vanilla Townie, which Chronos has never claimed to be - right from the outset he admitted he had a power role. No, I’m taling about Red Skeezix. Please answer from the point of view of Red Skeezix aka Eomer, Vanilla Townie. Thank you. [quote **nat** had information about a player, right? and got a game name. i have never seen that mechanic with a watcher/tracker. typically the reveal is more along the lines of “the person you investigated did blah blah blah”. so the fact that **nat** claimed to have a name and an alignment just doesn’t make sense based on the death reveal.[/quote] Natlaw’s full claim gave a method by which he might learn a player’s name. The fact that I have never heard of a Watcher with that additional power before does not lead me to conclude that the power is impossible; indeed I think it a quite elegant beef-up of the Watcher power, who might often feel they’ve wasted time watching someone who sleeps. On top of that, of course, it’s something you might want to give SAHM when they are looking for a person with a specific name. > [@](#): > > now **chronos** pipes in on Day 1 and let’s us know that aragorn (woot woot) is in the game. aragorn promptly ends up dead on Night 2 and **chronos** basically chimes in with: “yep, knew it” (based on my recollection) after losing our doc on Night 1. > > that doesn’t make you slightly suspicious? Not much, no. If I were SAHM, and knew who Aragorn was at the start of the game, he’d make a good target Night 1, unless he was the Doctor. But, then again, there are allegations that SAHM have a roleblocker (see Nanook’s morning report). If that’s the case, the RB blocks Aragorn while someone else kills him. All this follows nicely if you assume that Chronos is SAHM, since the evidence that Chronos did, in fact, know who Aragorn was on Day 1 is conclusive. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2629 "2010-09-16T15:00:38Z")
“We’ve been foolish,” said one member of the Alliance of Light. “No, we’ve been cautious and protective,” replied another. The Alliance, frustrated with their own inner-fighting, engaged in active discussion during the Day. Some were demanding and outspoken, while others remained nearly silent. The decision came down to Peeker and Astralrejection. Both seemed suspicious to most, but Astral attracted more attention in the end. Gradually, a low, gurgling, bubbling, hiss began to emit from Astral. It was clear that something was unusual. “I am ancient……beyond all of you,” Astral said. They immediately struck Astral down. When Astral’s possessions were examined later, they found a tight string of sticky webs….with a message written in them. _The world was young, the mountains green, No stain yet on the Moon was seen, No words were laid on stream or stone An ancient demon who feeds on bone_ “Indeed, ancient,” mumbled one Alliance member. \*\*Astralrejection, who was Shelob, is now dead. Shelob was a secret member of the Servants of Darkness. \*\*\* It is now Night Five. Day Six begins Saturday at Noon Eastern. \*Shelob was not initially aware of the other Servants of Darkness’ identities, nor were they of her identity. However, the Servants of Darkness found Shelob and she had joined their group already. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2630 "2010-09-16T15:03:23Z")
Wow, a recruitee? Go Town!!! : Heads off to The Green Dragon for a glass of warm ale. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2631 "2010-09-16T15:06:46Z")
Not what I had expected, but I’ll take it. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2632 "2010-09-16T15:09:13Z")
SO hard not to start strategising… Unexpected & welcome. Crispy spider legs anyone? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2633 "2010-09-16T15:09:49Z")
interfrackingesting. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2634 "2010-09-16T15:10:45Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Not what I had expected, but I’ll take it. Understatement of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Who](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Doctor\_Who](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Who)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2635 "2010-09-16T15:10:56Z")
Awesome! ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2636 "2010-09-16T15:15:47Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > SO hard not to start strategising… > > Unexpected & welcome. Crispy spider legs anyone? i’m with you on this one. and i don’t think this is strategy but i doubt it will get answered anyways. but shoot gotta try. **on what Day/Night did astral join up with the scum?** ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2637 "2010-09-16T15:19:14Z")
While we’re at it with the green questions, **Astral** already asked this, but there was no answer: **Will any moderatorial action be taken with respect to the absent cucuy?** ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2638 "2010-09-16T15:32:39Z")
\*\*As the Alliance of Light separated to sleep, a very distinct and unusual feeling began to fill the air. Something important was happening. Something powerful and bold…and perhaps terrible. The earth began to shake and the very air seemed to vibrate. A loud, cracking noise erupted around them. Then, in the distance, a terrible, terrible scream was heard. And then silence. The Alliance of Light returned to sleep, unsure of what had just happened.\*\* ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2639 "2010-09-16T15:33:14Z")
and i just have to say this. normally games start winding down around this point. but this beast seems to be picking up some steam. and tomorrow looks to be another round of fun in middle earth regardless of whether i am there or not. woot woot. ::doffs hat to **maha** :: ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2010, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2640 "2010-09-16T15:33:36Z")
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