# Lord of the Rings Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 10, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867 "2010-08-10T19:56:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 137
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2010, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2721 "2010-09-19T17:09:23Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > hey, chronos nothing you say will convince me otherwise and i assume it goes likewise on your side. > > But then, we’ll never know until you actually say something. what would you have me say? ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2010, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2722 "2010-09-19T17:36:55Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > > [@Chronos](#): > > > > But then, we’ll never know until you actually say something. > > what would you have me say? Anything that makes sense logically. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2010, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2723 "2010-09-19T19:50:51Z")
Some answers to the many questions people are asking you would be nice, too. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2010, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2724 "2010-09-19T20:27:09Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > what would you have me say? > > Anything that makes sense logically. ok, let’s try this then. i have information that makes me believe that you are town and **chronos** is lying. how much clearer can that be? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2010, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2725 "2010-09-19T20:28:24Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Some answers to the many questions people are asking you would be nice, too. what questions would those be **chronos**? and if your response is along the lines of read the thread then i am double good on assuming you are scum. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2010, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2726 "2010-09-19T20:31:59Z")
How about just reading this page? From **Guiri** : > [@](#): > > @ Peeker, could you point me to the post where you laid out a case against Chronos? I must have missed it. > > And what’s so special about USC’s claim to make you so confident he’s Town? And from me: > [@](#): > > 1: How do you reconcile the idea that I’m Scum with the fact that I provably knew who Aragorn was on Day 1? > 2: Does your answer to question 1 also account for the fact that the Scum did not kill Aragorn on Night 1? > 3: Does your answer to question 1 change when you consider that we now provably have another Town player who started the game knowing the identity of one of the power roles? > 4: How do you reconcile the idea that I’m Scum with your certainty that anyone who’s claimed to be a close relative of a Townie whose PM mentioned loved ones must certainly be Town? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2010, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2727 "2010-09-19T20:34:22Z")
and to some extent i will welcome getting lynched. when i flip town then it should be a cake walk for town tomorrow. **maha** let’s expedite this mofo. nothing will convince anyone to unvote me and go for scum so let’s just end it now and let me go about my business. i’ve been working my ass off this entire game and i think you owe it to me to grant this request. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2010, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2728 "2010-09-19T20:35:22Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > How about just reading this page? From **Guiri** : > > > [@](#): > > > > @ Peeker, could you point me to the post where you laid out a case against Chronos? I must have missed it. > > > > And what’s so special about USC’s claim to make you so confident he’s Town? > > And from me: > > > [@](#): > > > > 1: How do you reconcile the idea that I’m Scum with the fact that I provably knew who Aragorn was on Day 1? > > 2: Does your answer to question 1 also account for the fact that the Scum did not kill Aragorn on Night 1? > > 3: Does your answer to question 1 change when you consider that we now provably have another Town player who started the game knowing the identity of one of the power roles? > > 4: How do you reconcile the idea that I’m Scum with your certainty that anyone who’s claimed to be a close relative of a Townie whose PM mentioned loved ones must certainly be Town? if you are at all even reading the thread i already answered these questions a while ago. sheesh. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2010, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2729 "2010-09-19T21:06:12Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > ok, let’s try this then. i have information that makes me believe that you are town and **chronos** is lying. > > how much clearer can that be? Please… now you’re just being flippant. You make an assertion based on information which no one else has without sharing that info and then you claim that this is being clear?! ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2010, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2730 "2010-09-19T21:14:41Z")
> [@](#): > > but i will flip town and then we have a mess. > [@](#): > > and to some extent i will welcome getting lynched. when i flip town then it should be a cake walk for town tomorrow. Make up your mind, will you? > [@](#): > > i’ve been working my ass off this entire game and i think you owe it to me to grant this request. If you have been, then it hasn’t been on behalf of Town. From your play, you’re either a hard-working Scum, or a half-assed Town. > [@](#): > > if you are at all even reading the thread i already answered these questions a while ago. sheesh. Your response to **Guiri** just said that the two (your case against me and your trust of **Diver** ) were connected, without giving any clue as to what the connection was, what your case against me was, or what your reason for trusting **Diver** was. You not only didn’t answer either question, you raised another one. And your response to me completely ignored the proven evidence that I knew on Day 1 that **Gadarene** was Aragorn, which was the the main thrust of my questions, and also ignored your own argument from way back that **ed** must be Town because the name he was claiming was related to someone else in the game. But enough of that; I’m tired of talking about **peeker**. I also have some questions about **MHaye** and his Frodo claim: > [@](#): > > Frodo Baggins at your service. > > I had two powers, one of which was fairly passive - that I needed to survive until the beginning of Night 6. If I did so, the Ring would be destroyed, and Sauron would “surely die.” > > The other was the canonical power that Frodo had while wearing the Ring; namely that he became invisible. By putting the Ring on at Night, I could hide from Night actions (except, I suspect, the investigations of Cucuy since Mahaloth referred to Gollum as being able to find the Ring “hidden or unhidden.”) > > Since both were tied to the Ring, I no longer have those powers. > > I was a bit worried about my lack of participation in Day 3 and 4; I didn’t want to say anything for fear of slipping up and getting caught out by SAHM. Once we got into day 5, I felt safer, but was still worried about the possibility of a last-ditch Daykill. I nearly did a Peeker and post a link to a Youtube video (Kate Bush’s Running Up That Hill) late on Day 5, but chickened out just in case SAHM were watching for that even unto the last minute. First of all, you haven’t yet survived to the beginning of Night 6. This is currently Day 6, and we just finished Night 5. Was this a typo, or did **Mahaloth** screw up the timing? Second, how in the world _could_ you have died? If wearing the Ring protected you from Night actions (presumably that includes the kill, since there’s no other action you’d need protection from), and you obviously wouldn’t be lynched if you claimed Frodo, it looks to me like you should have been guaranteed to survive as long as you needed to destroy the Ring. Was there some drawback to using it? ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2010, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2731 "2010-09-19T21:45:59Z")
I am apparently limited in how many characters my signature can be \*including \*VB coding. So I’ll have to cut out Days and Nights from the beginning as we progress from here on out (hopefully not much longer!!) ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2010, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2732 "2010-09-19T22:07:34Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > But enough of that; I’m tired of talking about **peeker**. I also have some questions about **MHaye** and his Frodo claim: > > > [@](#): > > > > Frodo Baggins at your service. > > > > I had two powers, one of which was fairly passive - that I needed to survive until the beginning of Night 6. If I did so, the Ring would be destroyed, and Sauron would “surely die.” > > > > The other was the canonical power that Frodo had while wearing the Ring; namely that he became invisible. By putting the Ring on at Night, I could hide from Night actions (except, I suspect, the investigations of Cucuy since Mahaloth referred to Gollum as being able to find the Ring “hidden or unhidden.”) > > > > Since both were tied to the Ring, I no longer have those powers. > > > > I was a bit worried about my lack of participation in Day 3 and 4; I didn’t want to say anything for fear of slipping up and getting caught out by SAHM. Once we got into day 5, I felt safer, but was still worried about the possibility of a last-ditch Daykill. I nearly did a Peeker and post a link to a Youtube video (Kate Bush’s Running Up That Hill) late on Day 5, but chickened out just in case SAHM were watching for that even unto the last minute. > > First of all, you haven’t yet survived to the beginning of Night 6. This is currently Day 6, and we just finished Night 5. Was this a typo, or did **Mahaloth** screw up the timing? For 6 read 5. It’s a typo. I apologise for the resultant confusion. > [@](#): > > Second, how in the world _could_ you have died? If wearing the Ring protected you from Night actions (presumably that includes the kill, since there’s no other action you’d need protection from), and you obviously wouldn’t be lynched if you claimed Frodo, it looks to me like you should have been guaranteed to survive as long as you needed to destroy the Ring. Was there some drawback to using it? Firstly, I could not use it every Night; it had only two charges, and I needed to survive four Nights. Secondly, I don’t know. I believed they had _some_thing, though, or my role would prove blatantly unfair to SAHM. We know one; Gollum could find me whether I was wearing the Ring or not, but that doesn’t help SAHM directly. If I’d claimed on Day 3, Gollum would have had two Nights to steal the Ring from me. My role is also why I believed Natlaw’s claim that he learned the name of a player he tracked that did not take a Night action; if he tracked me on a Night I was _not_ hiding, he’d have learned my name. That’s another Night action I needed protection from. Then we come to speculation. So far, none of SAHM have been Nazgul. It’s well established, canonically, that Nazgul can see Frodo while he’s wearing the Ring (but find it difficult to get a fix on him otherwise.) Suppose the missing minion is the Witch-King of Angmar? He’d make a good roleblocker, but might have a secondary power that if he blocks me on a Night I wear the Ring, I get killed. Or recruited - remember, the Witch-King wielded the Morgul-knife that nearly turned Frodo into a wraith under the Witch-Kings command? Finally, I considered it faintly possible that SAHM may have had a Daykill. The point is we don’t _know_ what SAHM could have done, and I chose to assume that the answer was not “nothing.” ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2010, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2733 "2010-09-19T22:32:38Z")
OK, fair enough. And for what it’s worth, I also suspect that the last minion is the Witch-King. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2010, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2734 "2010-09-19T22:36:19Z")
Oh, I should also add that the palantir I currently have does _not_ give me a name: All I learned about **Hoopy** was that he was sleeping. My working hypothesis is that the Town palantir and the Scum one both work the same way, and that **Natlaw** just made that part up. Certainly he made up the part about detecting race (given that Treebeard couldn’t possibly be mistaken for any of those races), and if he was making up parts of his claim anyway, it doesn’t seem too farfetched that he’d have made up the name part, too. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2010, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2735 "2010-09-19T23:23:15Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > ok, let’s try this then. i have information that makes me believe that you are town and **chronos** is lying. > > > > how much clearer can that be? > > Please… now you’re just being flippant. You make an assertion based on information which no one else has without sharing that info and then you claim that this is being clear?! so an investigator or a mason is also being flippant, right? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2010, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2736 "2010-09-19T23:25:09Z")
neta: or someone who might claim to know the name and role of a player in the game. yeepers. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2010, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2737 "2010-09-19T23:45:55Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > hey, **chronos** nothing you say will convince me otherwise and i assume it goes likewise on your side. > > but i will flip town and then we have a mess. No we won’t, regardless of what you flip. Your case against Chronos is patently ridiculous. Even if you are town. Especially if you are town. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2010, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2738 "2010-09-19T23:48:22Z")
> [@](#): > > so an investigator or a mason is also being flippant, right? They are if they try to tell us they’re certain about someone without telling us that they’re an investigator or mason. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2739 "2010-09-20T00:37:38Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > so an investigator or a mason is also being flippant, right? > > They are if they try to tell us they’re certain about someone without telling us that they’re an investigator or mason. i’ve already said that i believe i am a half ass mason. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2740 "2010-09-20T01:06:24Z")
> [@](#): > > i’ve already said that i believe i am a half ass mason. By which line of reasoning, I am too. And your inane crypto-mason claim still wouldn’t account for thinking that **USCDiver** is Town, or that **Wanderers** or I am Scum. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=136) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=138)