# Lord of the Rings Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 10, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867 "2010-08-10T19:56:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/261 "2010-08-12T19:20:19Z")
It’s not enough of a show right now? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/262 "2010-08-12T19:22:34Z")
**mod comment: can we kick this fucker off because this specific inmate is getting itchy fingers to lynch a fucking scum** ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/263 "2010-08-12T19:27:05Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > and **pleo** not that i had about five minutes to digest it. we are talking about role pm’s. **ed** mentioned that he did not have a separate “section” i asked him about it and he responded that he just had some carriage returns (or something). that’s crap and you know it. > > I’m not sure why you think it’s crap. That’s a more or less accurate description of my victory condition–no separate section, but a new paragraph. > > Maybe you have as much a problem interpreting straightforward text as I do vague ramblings. oh for fuck’s sake **pleo**. it was very clear what i was looking for and you fucking know it. the fact that **ed** decides to play his own bullshit game is his deal. but don’t give me any grief about calling bullshit on bullshit. oh for fuck’s sake kill me now. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/264 "2010-08-12T19:33:46Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Maybe you have as much a problem interpreting straightforward text as I do vague ramblings. \ so you have the same problems with your own posts that i do? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/265 "2010-08-12T19:36:52Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > it was very clear what i was looking for and you fucking know it. See, there’s the problem. You post in a very idiosyncratic way, which is okay to a certain extent. But then it’s silly to complain when other players don’t exactly understand what you’re saying. You are never “very clear what you were looking for”. > [@](#): > > the fact that **ed** decides to play his own bullshit game is his deal. but don’t give me any grief about calling bullshit on bullshit. If you call posting facts in basic English bullshit, I think our ideas of pro-town discussion are complete opposites. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/266 "2010-08-12T19:39:28Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > > [@Telcontar](#): > > > > Once. Does yours say it more than once? > > Yes it does. It includes the Dark Lord’s name 3 times, 2 of which are part of the “Suaron and his minions” bit. Apparently, my role has a real hard-on for that guy. Your role? What is with people claiming roles willy-nilly like this? I’m also, honestly, sorta hard-pressed to see why a role PM would need to mention Sauron three times. (Like **Telcontar** , mine only says “Sauron and his minions” once.) That is, of course, unless your PM reads like this: You are Saruman. You are allied with Sauron and his minions. You loooooooove Sauron and his minions, and you think Sauron looks really fetching in a heather-gray hoodie while he cooks you breakfast early on a Sunday morning up there in your cozy little cabin on the slopes of Mount Doom. Does your role PM says that? Does it?? :dubious: J’accuse! Just tryin’ to lighten the mood until Day One starts ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/267 "2010-08-12T19:45:17Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > it was very clear what i was looking for and you fucking know it. > > See, there’s the problem. You post in a very idiosyncratic way, which is okay to a certain extent. But then it’s silly to complain when other players don’t exactly understand what you’re saying. You are never “very clear what you were looking for”. > > > [@](#): > > > > the fact that **ed** decides to play his own bullshit game is his deal. but don’t give me any grief about calling bullshit on bullshit. > > If you call posting facts in basic English bullshit, I think our ideas of pro-town discussion are complete opposites. **arrrrr** he has no separate area for where his wincon is. it’s just separated by carriage returns. i called it a paragraph and he wants to discuss semantics. yeeps. that’s fucking obfuscation and bullshit. [oog] and just so everyone knows i have played this game with **pleo** and others for a long while. so while our exchanges may get heated it in no way influences the fact that they are good folk. matter of fact **ed** has a standing invitation to spend time in my garage as long as he will help pick up.[/oog] ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/268 "2010-08-12T19:57:19Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > he has no separate area for where his wincon is. > > it’s just separated by carriage returns. i called it a paragraph and he wants to discuss semantics. yeeps. > > that’s fucking obfuscation and bullshit. You brought up semantics first, not **ed**. And I was the one who called it a paragraph, not **ed**. Your misattribution of the conversation is the obfuscation. [oog] Yep, none of this personal. Except that I really do have trouble understanding **peeker**. He is getting more clear though these days or else I’m getting smarter figuring it out. I don’t think it’s the latter. [/oog] ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/269 "2010-08-12T19:58:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Your role? What is with people claiming roles willy-nilly like this? This may be a difference of terminology, here. “Role” does not necessarily imply “power role”. There might be a Fredegar Bolger role or something in this game, but I would highly doubt that Fatty got any actual powers. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/270 "2010-08-12T19:58:56Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Your role? What is with people claiming roles willy-nilly like this? > > This may be a difference of terminology, here. “Role” does not necessarily imply “power role”. There might be a Fredegar Bolger role or something in this game, but I would highly doubt that Fatty got any actual powers. This could certainly be the case. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/271 "2010-08-12T19:59:29Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > it was very clear what i was looking for and you fucking know it. > > See, there’s the problem. You post in a very idiosyncratic way, which is okay to a certain extent. But then it’s silly to complain when other players don’t exactly understand what you’re saying. You are never “very clear what you were looking for”. > > > [@](#): > > > > the fact that **ed** decides to play his own bullshit game is his deal. but don’t give me any grief about calling bullshit on bullshit. > > If you call posting facts in basic English bullshit, I think our ideas of pro-town discussion are complete opposites. He didn’t post facts in basic English, though – he first brought up the win condition (or responded to Chronos bringing it up, can’t remember which way around), then when Chronos said something like his win condition “section” read blahblah, responded that he didn’t have a win condition “section”. I didn’t find it exactly difficult to comprehend, myself, what he was getting at, but once it became clear that people were having difficulty with it, Ed still didn’t really clarify – it took Hoopy Frood to do so in plain terms, just now. I don’t get the point of the whole exercise. It doesn’t even make sense as handshaking unless you’re going to assume that the mafia’s role PMs, plus any covers they may or may not have, are formatted completely unlike the towns’ for no apparent reason. I think you’d be hard pressed to spin it as that being at all likely. Ed is just poking people for the hell of it. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/272 "2010-08-12T20:12:01Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > [oog] and just so everyone knows i have played this game with **pleo** and others for a long while. so while our exchanges may get heated it in no way influences the fact that they are good folk. matter of fact **ed** has a standing invitation to spend time in my garage as long as he will help pick up.[/oog] I just might take you up on that. I didn’t make it to lovely Buda, TX these past 2 years, but it’s been an annual trek of mine for a decade. I do plan on being there next year. I’m really missing Schlitterbahn. Of course, you will leave the garage door open so I can leave at will, rght? This isn’t like a hostage thing, is it? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/273 "2010-08-12T20:13:03Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > I don’t get the point of the whole exercise. It doesn’t even make sense as handshaking unless you’re going to assume that the mafia’s role PMs, plus any covers they may or may not have, are formatted completely unlike the towns’ for no apparent reason. I think you’d be hard pressed to spin it as that being at all likely. Ed is just poking people for the hell of it. I make no attempts to defend **ed** ’s tactics. I’m simply countering **peeker** ’s unjustified accusations. > [@](#): > > I didn’t find it exactly difficult to comprehend, myself, what he was getting at, That’s exactly why I’m calling out **peeker** ’s accusations. What **ed** posted is clear enough; I see no obfuscation there. **peeker** accused **ed** of semantics and obfuscation, when it’s been **peeker** who has been doing both. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/274 "2010-08-12T20:13:36Z")
[quote=“Normal\_Phase, post:271, topic:549867”] [. I didn’t find it exactly difficult to comprehend, myself, what he was getting at, but once it became clear that people were having difficulty with it, Ed still didn’t really clarify – it took Hoopy Frood to do so in plain terms, just now./quote] I thought I was pretty clear. Other people were more clear. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/275 "2010-08-12T20:29:41Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > > [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > > > Yes it does. It includes the Dark Lord’s name 3 times, 2 of which are part of the “Suaron and his minions” bit. Apparently, my role has a real hard-on for that guy. > > Your role? What is with people claiming roles willy-nilly like this? What do you mean? What did I claim? I claimed I have a role. I am on the player list. I have confirmed receipt of said role in my first Night 0 post even. And this role has a PM. A PM that mentions Sauron 3 times in it. I’m not sure what it is your saying I claimed willy-nilly. Everyone has a role. I did not say whether I have a power or not. Nor do I have any reason to at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/276 "2010-08-12T20:30:03Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I thought I was pretty clear. Other people were more clear. Sure, although **Telcontar** (I think?) does make the point that your handshake doesn’t actually correspond to the wincon that **Chronos** quoted to you in response. And since (at the risk of getting back into this discussion) the last section of my role PM is the sentence quoted by **Chronos** – no more and no less – I’m now unsure what the handshake was supposed to be in reference to. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/277 "2010-08-12T20:31:05Z")
NETA: Fair enough, **Hoopy**. Apologies for the confusion. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/278 "2010-08-12T20:39:30Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > > [@special\_ed](#): > > > > I thought I was pretty clear. Other people were more clear. > > Sure, although **Telcontar** (I think?) does make the point that your handshake doesn’t actually correspond to the wincon that **Chronos** quoted to you in response. And since (at the risk of getting back into this discussion) the last section of my role PM is the sentence quoted by **Chronos** – no more and no less – I’m now unsure what the handshake was supposed to be in reference to. Did you read what I said in my handshake? Or are you operating purely on memory at this point? Here’s the post for clairty. Remember the differing opions on what makes a ‘section.’ Some people think it refers to a paragraph, but that’s not what I said. Of course, you’ll see that Chronos did not quote what I was referring to. > [@special\_ed](#): > > In my typical beginning of the game strategy: > > Last section: 7 a’s and 8 t’s. no x’s > > 😃 > > Now we’ll wait until the standard role PM is posted publically. Of course, since Mahaloth has not posted any role PMs, and since he’s had the help of both sachertorte and storyteller, I must believe that Scum have all the information they’ll need to overcome any attempts at handshaking. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/279 "2010-08-12T20:44:05Z")
Yeah, fair enough, **Ed**. You were right that I was operating mostly from memory of that exchange. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f07891/32.png) [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Plastic_Ninja)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2010, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/280 "2010-08-12T21:29:10Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > > [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > > > Yes it does. It includes the Dark Lord’s name 3 times, 2 of which are part of the “Suaron and his minions” bit. Apparently, my role has a real hard-on for that guy. > > Your role? What is with people claiming roles willy-nilly like this? > > I’m also, honestly, sorta hard-pressed to see why a role PM would need to mention Sauron three times. (Like **Telcontar** , mine only says “Sauron and his minions” once.) For what it’s worth, mine has Sauron three times too. And I’m not scum. Though I would say this if I were scum. DAMN IT Honestly I don’t see a lot of point in this handshaking. If I were scum, couldn’t I just say “oh yes, I have eight z’s” after someone else did? Or whatever? I’d know they were town, though not necessarily vanilla. I’d just wait for a few people to claim and then steal their claims. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=15)