# Lord of the Rings Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 10, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867 "2010-08-10T19:56:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 143
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2841 "2010-09-22T16:22:17Z")
I guess other questions would be: Who has received an item, and did it do anything you can discern? I have not received any items. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2842 "2010-09-22T16:28:06Z")
> [@Snickers](#): > > I was also rather nonplussed by **USCDiver** ’s claim of Gamling - I had no idea who that was and had to look it up. But we also had Treebeard in the game earlier, so perhaps it’s not so far-fetched. I had to look it up too. ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2843 "2010-09-22T16:33:10Z")
Me either, no items. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2844 "2010-09-22T16:45:49Z")
no items here ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2845 "2010-09-22T17:06:23Z")
I have not received any items either and I’m dying to know what Red’s parchment thing was all about. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2846 "2010-09-22T17:58:37Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > I guess other questions would be: Who has received an item, and did it do anything you can discern? > > I have not received any items. Nope I haven’t gotten anything. I think shot my chances of getting anything pretty early here. I think that’s self evident. \*\* Vote Who\*\* A place holder vote for pressure. And given the short time frame, it needs to go on now. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2847 "2010-09-22T18:32:27Z")
Doctor Who hasn’t been around since the night before yesterDay ended. But really, he’s no doubt going to claim some vanilla role, and with all the role names in the game revealed, even if he were scum without a preprovided cover, I don’t think he’s going to have any problems claiming, so I don’t really see the point to a pressure vote. I haven’t received any item either. And I should be in a somewhat confirmed category since Chronos confirmed I did nothing two Nights ago when DrainBead died. Now the reason I say semi-confirmed is: 1. It is possible that there are two scum remaining, in which case the other scum could have killed and I did nothing. However, we know there’s a blocker out there. This would mean that the blocker killed, and I did nothing. Or I’m the blocker, the non-blocker killed, and I chose not to block for some reason. If there are 3 scum remaining, then the game was blatantly tilted number-wise toward scum and the Town powers as revealed don’t support that. 2. Drain Bead was able to kill the Night she died. This is also unlikely, since she died before Night ended according to Mahaloth’s death color for her. Usually kills are resolved at dawn. Now, we have 3 mislynches before 3-handed lylo assuming one scum and no more kills/saves. We have 3 fully confirmed as well. Essentially if we guess wrong from the unconfirmed pool each time, we will have 3 unconfirmed going into lylo. (Or 2 unconfirmed and 1 partial confirmation). Not horrible odds on pure random voting, but not particularly great. But since we have to start somewhere: **vote: OAOW** It was your vote that saved Astral and killed Ed. Sure, it’s largely a null tell in that either scum or town would do it, and I even brought that point up earlier, but we have to start somewhere, and that action has a strong scum motivation. But if you or anyone can find soemthing scummier (or if I get the time to look I’ll try), I’ll easily change my vote. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2848 "2010-09-22T18:44:27Z")
BTW, **Mahaloth** , I’m awaiting confirmation on the spoiler board. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2849 "2010-09-22T19:30:50Z")
I haven’t received anything either. I entertained the thought that **Red** ’s parchment was a bluff to attract the NK but it could have been one of **Gadarene** ’s items. @ **Hoopy** , FWIW I consider you the most confirmed of the unconfirmed group :). I agree that **OaOW** ’s vote switch had a strong scum motivation but I know that I would have done the same in his situation so for me it’s a null-tell. Did you see my comments on **Inner Stickler** yesterDay? Are you not suspicious of his fluffy participation and vote record? I see we’re a little short on suspicions. I’ll post WoWs on **Doctor Who** and **Inner Stickler** when I get some time later tonight. Anyone want to look at **Snickers** , **OaoW** , **USC** or **Hoopy**? ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2850 "2010-09-22T19:36:18Z")
The only item I ever received was the Ring, and I kept that until it got dropped into the Cracks of Doom. The parchment, I half suspected, was from the scroll that Gandalf consulted to learn the inscription on the One Ring; but I never received the parchment so I don’t know ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2851 "2010-09-22T19:38:18Z")
**OOG** **FINALLY** heard back from an Marketing Agency that I submitted my resume to, about two months ago. Entry level job. But then again, I only have a 3 month internship as experience to offer. Just a call from them, that they indeed have my resume. They told me they didn’t check their machine in a while. They probably got all 10 of my messages all at once. But hey, I will take it. **/OOG** ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2852 "2010-09-22T19:43:57Z")
[Oog] Meeko, that sounds like good news. Hope you do well at it. [oog] I was planning to take a look at Snickers’ posts this evening. I don’t know how far I’ll get though. ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2853 "2010-09-22T21:23:37Z")
OK, I’m about halfway through a WOW on **One and Only Wanderers**. That said, I don’t know if I’ll have time to finish it tonight due to RL plans. (I know, I know.) Since we’re short on time toDay, I’ll post what I’ve got so far. Again, the summary is mine alone - follow the links to the actual posts. Apologies if I’ve mischaracterized anything. [#50](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12788771&postcount=50): Signs up [#58](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12789720&postcount=58): Gives some basics on how an LOTR-themed mafia game might work [#60](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12789738&postcount=60): Jokes about the Luggage in a Discworld mafia setup [#174](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12793895&postcount=174): Confirms receipt of PM. Says role matches **ed** ’s handshake, then adds 6 Ys to the pile for consideration [#179](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12793933&postcount=179): Says that the “You win when all…” sentence doesn’t fulfill all the letter requirements of **ed** ’s “the last section” handshake. The handshake might still work. [#181](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12793967&postcount=181): In response to **Gadarene** , confirms that there’s definitely 6 Ys, and 2 Us and Cs. [#314](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12796949&postcount=314): In response to **USCDiver** ’s confusion, says to shake back something that hasn’t been used yet. Trusts **ed**. [#320](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12797277&postcount=320): Clarifies that he trusts **ed** because the handshake was very specific and matched his/her PM. (_ **Snickers’** note: sorry, I’m unsure of your gender. Apologies._) All bets are off, though, if scum has a copy of a vanilla town PM. [#322](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12797303&postcount=322): Thinks **ed** ’s handshake is solid because it was posted before any others made more general knowledge available. [#332](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12797586&postcount=332): Questions why not handshake now, if it’s been successful previously. Doesn’t believe scum has copy of townie PM. [#388](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12798496&postcount=388): Doesn’t like meta game thinking - players shouldn’t be at a disadvantage because they’ve never played under a certain mod before. Nice orc joke. [#482](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12800225&postcount=482): Questions **ed** about what the point of the handshake was. [#611](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12805395&postcount=611): Agrees with **USCDiver** ’s handshake of 4 Ds. [#612](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12805406&postcount=612): Analyzes **Astral** ’s vote and unvote of **USCDiver** , then votes **Astral**. [#628](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12805893&postcount=628): Says that **Chronos** ’s statement that someone’s out to kill him ( **Chronos** ) makes sense if he was speaking about **ed** ’s vote for him. Questions **Chronos** about whether that was his meaning. [#741](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12809041&postcount=741): Claims that alignment is consistent with role name. [#910](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12814763&postcount=910): Wants to see **Chronos** ’s response to **Gadarene** ’s question (does the structure of your PM match **Plankton** ’s?) before changing votes [#1097](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12817619&postcount=1097): Unvotes **Astral** and votes for **Plankton** based on the total absense of anyone defending **SP** ’s role claim format. [#1126](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12818131&postcount=1126): Questions whether, if **Plankton** doesn’t swing and then claims to have been blocked or to have investigated the night-kill, then is that an auto-lynch. [#1131](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12818181&postcount=1131): Unvotes **Plankton** and votes for **Chipacabra** - says that we should give Plankton a chance to investigate before lynching him. [#1134](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12818186&postcount=1134): Fixes coding problem in prevous vote for **Chip**. [#1135](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12818196&postcount=1135): In response to **peeker** ’s vote, says his post was clear in that “we” referred to town. [#1146](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12818295&postcount=1146): In response to **peeker** , clarifies position: he meant “survives _to_ night,” not “survives the Night” [#1172](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12818459&postcount=1172): N1 post celebrating successful scum lynch [#1392](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12830861&postcount=1392): Questions **Chipacabra** ’s vote for **ed** ; says **ed** ’s handshake was a mistaken play by a townie, not a scum ploy [#1411](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12832032&postcount=1411): Says that **Pleo** ’s 2nd vote for **peeker** is meaningless, why don’t you just use an FOS? [#1609](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12835256&postcount=1609): Lotsa posts over night. Promises to read them all later, but now votes for **Chipacabra** - says shady voting went down yesterday to try to save **Plankton**. [#1610](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12835299&postcount=1610): Asks **Chip** why he hasn’t posted his PM [#1623](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12835744&postcount=1623): In response to **peeker** , says that **Snickers** isn’t saying that Treebeard was a bad guy in canon, but that \*\*Chip \*\*was using the Treebeard claim as a cover role. [1624](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12835750&postcount=1624): In response to peeker, says that **Mahaloth** hasn’t posted a vanilla PM, but both **ed** and **Chip** have. [1627](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12835843&postcount=1627): Says that regardless of what **ed** is, scum have the vanilla town PM. [1630](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12835980&postcount=1630): Jokes that it’s pretty funny if **Treebeard** is a Mahaloth-provided fake claim: can’t see the scum for the trees! [#1830](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12847013&postcount=1830): N2 post about Piers Anthony’s last Nox book [#1831](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12847016&postcount=1831): N2 post lamenting the crappiness of Anthony’s last three books [#1845](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12851148&postcount=1845): N2 post explaining SDMB handle origin [#1855](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12851766&postcount=1855): Agrees that handshake was spectacularly unsuccessful. Wonders why, if scum had one, that **Plankton** ’s post didn’t correctly reference townie PM wording. Still doesn’t see **ed** as scum. [#1926](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12856847&postcount=1926): Notices ed’s catch of Red Skeezix alluding to the fact that he knows scum can’t talk during the Day and reposts it [#2036](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12862034&postcount=2036): Votes Astral, says it’s not locked in but he wants to get a vote on record [#2057](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12865037&postcount=2057): Says that an unvote that breaks a tie is as significant as a vote that does so [#2115](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12868965&postcount=2115): Questions **Natlaw** : is it just your belief that **Astral** ’s a hobbit or are you telling us he is one? Is there any alignment to go with it? [#2117](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12869041&postcount=2117): In response to **MHaye** ’s post that he’s got suspicions on some players, says that we’ll miss those if **MHaye** doesn’t post them and then is night-killed. [#2126](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12869985&postcount=2126): Unvotes **Astral** and votes **ed** in response to **Natlaw** ’s giving more info about the **Astral** investigation. [#2179](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12879347&postcount=2179): Responds to **peeker** : **ed** wasn’t his choice for scum, but if **Natlaw** is town, then that confirms **Astral** as town. [#2180](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12879364&postcount=2180): Votes peeker for undermining **Natlaw** before he can respond back and for his motivation behind questioning why **OaOW** switched his vote from **Astral** to **ed**. Things that jump out at me: [ul] [li]The unvote of \*\*Astral \*\*and vote for \*\*Plankton \*\*comes really late in Day1. Then the unvote of \*\*Plankton \*\*comes even later in favor of **Chipacabra**. This could be bandwagon jumping on scum that couldn’t be saved, then a late attempt to do so, especially given the reason for the unvote.[/li][li]The reasoning behind the D2 vote for \*\*Chip \*\*seems week: lots of shady voting went down to try to save **Plankton**. Yet, this comes after **OaOW** ’s own posts saying that \*\*Plankton \*\*should have more time, if he is an investigator. Weird.[/li][li]Specifically says that an unvote that breaks a tie is as important as a vote that breaks a tie. This is important later, as it’s his own unvote/vote that lynches **ed**.[/li][li]Here’s where it really gets interesting: **Natlaw** ’s save of **Astral**. In #2115, he asks \*\*Natlaw \*\*to clarify it’s just a hunch that \*\*Astral \*\*is a hobbit, or whether he investigated him to be so. This smells a little: if scum can’t talk during the day, what’s the one thing that \*\*Natlaw \*\*can say that’ll convince his buddies to save **Astral**? By asking for confirmation, again, this could be scum really trying to make sure before sealing the deal.[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Who](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Doctor\_Who](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Who)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2854 "2010-09-22T22:15:43Z")
OOG: Just started working nights. I feel a little bit like Batboy. I just woke up and thought to myself, “oh shnikey… need to see what happened in… nfff back to sleep!” But I fought through. I will be doing the best I can until the weekend (which I have off). /OOG So here you go: > [@](#): > > You are Théoden. > > You are a member of the Alliance of Light. > > You are truly frightened about a future controlled by Sauron. You are sure that Sauron and his minions would destroy all good in Middle-earth and this includes your family and loved ones. You will not stop until Sauron and his minions are destroyed. > > Powers: > > You have no other powers beyond daily voting for lynching. > > You win when all threats to the Alliance of Light have been destroyed. Vanilla. I have nothing else substantive to post right now. I’m freaking tired. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2855 "2010-09-22T22:26:23Z")
**Unvote Who** ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2856 "2010-09-22T22:57:11Z")
WoW on **Inner Stickler** (spoilered):[743](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12809370&postcount=743) Confirmed [776](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12811348&postcount=776) “The most useful death for a townie, especially a VT is by NK, not lynching, JSYK.” [1091](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12817139&postcount=1091) Votes **Suburban** , format of PM doesn’t match 1211 Fluff - Night 1 1215 Fluff - Night 1 1263 Fluff - Night 1 1266 Fluff - “Well, that sucks.” re: **Telcontar** 1267 Fluff - “NETA: I mean that the doc is dead.” [1389](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12830530&postcount=1389) Thinks **Special Ed** and **Peeker** are both frustrated town [1391](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12830631&postcount=1391) Comments on **Special Ed** ’s post restriction and “All that being said, with yesterday’s lynch we’ve earned ourselves some breathing room. So if people wanted to lynch ed in order to get answers, I’m not adamantly opposed, but I’d rather go after someone I’m more convinced is scum. And I don’t think ed is that person.” [1451](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12833530&postcount=1451) To **Chipacabra** (defending desire to leave **Suburban** alive for a few Days) **Suburban** , if was telling the truth, would have been roleblocked by scum and thus incapacitated 1452 Neta [1499](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12834113&postcount=1499) To **Peeker** , masons have no powers so if he’s a mason, he’s likely powerless [1505](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12834123&postcount=1505) Questions **Peeker** about his claim and how unrealistic it appears given **Special Ed** denial [1512](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12834177&postcount=1512) Comment re: **Peeker** ’s idea for hidden masonry game [1520](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12834234&postcount=1520) Fluff [1530](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12834277&postcount=1530) “This is why people complain about the days being too full of fluff, jsyk.” [1532](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12834282&postcount=1532) Comments on **Pleo** ’s reason for voting **MHaye** - funniest ever seen [1536](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12834299&postcount=1536) Generic - joke comment on **Peeker** ’s mason claim [1583](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12834711&postcount=1583) Corrects **Meeko** who thought **Pleo** was claiming he was confirmed Town [1592](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12834825&postcount=1592) Comments on usefulness of lists of players with thoughts [1593](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12834829&postcount=1593) Comment on **Meeko** as a player & sideways [1595](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12834853&postcount=1595) Information- comment on error in vote count [1597](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12834909&postcount=1597) Comment on corrected vote count [1761](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12842611&postcount=1761) Votes **Pleo** for acronym, doesn’t think **Special Ed** is scum [1796](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12844137&postcount=1796) Fluff - Night 2 [1946](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12857407&postcount=1946) To **Chronos** , explains something **Drain** said about usefulness of Cop not looking at power role claimants [1952](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12857589&postcount=1952) Comment on lynching a vig in other game 1968 Fluff [2053](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12864526&postcount=2053) Comment on close vote, **Chronos** says scum have yet to cast deciding vote, disagrees - scum have probably voted (when in fact no known scum had) [2106](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12868489&postcount=2106) Votes **Astral** (6th vote), comments on unconvincing reply to **Drain** ’s vote post [2195](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12880120&postcount=2195) Votes **Natlaw** , doesn’t buy claim or results [2201](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12880174&postcount=2201) Wonders about **Natlaw** ’s attempt to save **Astral** - expects both are scum 2202 Neta 2206 fluff [2287](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12882845&postcount=2287) Tells **Meeko** to stop worrying about balance and the parchment [2394](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12897713&postcount=2394) Fluff - Night 4 [2444](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12903688&postcount=2444) Votes **Astral** (5th vote) “I don’t believe any of your gyrations.” [2452](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12904020&postcount=2452) Explains difference between watcher vs tracker [2788](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12937958&postcount=2788) Posts role PM - Gimli, VT - votes **Peeker** , either scum or sufficiently anti-town to warrant a lynch 2821 Fluff - Night 6 [2845](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12943650&postcount=2845) No items, no idea about parchment I expressed my suspicions in post [#2761](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12936416&postcount=2761) but to summarize: - little or no scum hunting efforts in posts - almost 0 engagement with other players (no poking, questioning, prodding), just random comments here and there - extremely minimal vote reasoning, usually bandwagon “me too” votes - voting record - still no analysis, thoughts, suspicions ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2857 "2010-09-22T23:14:22Z")
To be fair to Inner Stickler, his late vote on Day 1 was probably due to his substituting in (he replaced Normal Phase), so should be excluded as an argument that he is one of SAHM. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2858 "2010-09-23T00:41:22Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > To be fair to Inner Stickler, his late vote on Day 1 was probably due to his substituting in (he replaced Normal Phase), so should be excluded as an argument that he is one of SAHM. I don’t follow. – Is it safe to speculate on how many Scum are left? ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2859 "2010-09-23T01:12:18Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > @ **Hoopy** , FWIW I consider you the most confirmed of the unconfirmed group :). I agree that **OaOW** ’s vote switch had a strong scum motivation but I know that I would have done the same in his situation so for me it’s a null-tell. Did you see my comments on **Inner Stickler** yesterDay? Are you not suspicious of his fluffy participation and vote record? I am somewhat suspicious, but I view it as weaker than the case against OaOW. And we can’t completely discount peeker’s mod-hushed conclusion that one of chronos, OaOW, or I are scum. Now while his outright cases against us stunk like month old eggs (his supporting evidence against OaOW was pretty hamfisted), I’m curious as to why he really singled out us three. Obviously Chronos was town, I’m objectively pretty likely town (and subjectively _am_ Town), so that leaves only one remaining. > [@Meeko](#): > > > [@MHaye](#): > > > > To be fair to Inner Stickler, his late vote on Day 1 was probably due to his substituting in (he replaced Normal Phase), so should be excluded as an argument that he is one of SAHM. > > I don’t follow. He’s saying that Day One shouldn’t be held against stickler since he subbed in. > [@](#): > > Is it safe to speculate on how many Scum are left? Why wouldn’t it be? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2860 "2010-09-23T03:08:50Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > He’s saying that Day One shouldn’t be held against stickler since he subbed in. > > > [@](#): > > > > Is it safe to speculate on how many Scum are left? > > Why wouldn’t it be? \*\* I don’t see how subbing in automatically makes you NOT scum. \*\* I would not be the best one to ask this. C.F. Idle’s Halloween game currently. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=142) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=144)