# Lord of the Rings Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 10, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867 "2010-08-10T19:56:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 144
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2861 "2010-09-23T05:02:47Z")
The argument is not that I subbed in, therefore I can’t be scum. Some players even believe that a sub is more likely scum on the assumption that being handed a scum role makes some players ask to sub out because of fear. Playing scum can be nervewracking. The argument is that it is not fair to judge me based on my participation on Day One because I subbed in late and had to do things like actually read the thread before really participating. You fuckers talked a shitton on day one. I was not happy. So voting late and such are artifacts of subbing in and not scumminess. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2862 "2010-09-23T11:25:54Z")
Color coded vote counts if anyone’s interested. Note that I put **Astral** as Town for Days 1-3, assuming he didn’t know scum and they didn’t know him until Night 3 (spoilered) [spoiler]Day 1: **Pleo** (1): [del]\*\*peeker \*\*(304-328)[/del], [del] **Astral** (655-684)[/del], **Meeko** (778), [del] **Suburban** (796-954)[/del] **cucuy** (0): [del] **peeker** (328-445), **peeker** (447-454)[/del] **SpecialEd** (6): [del] **Guiri** (345-351)[/del], [del] **peeker** (800-856)[/del], **Astral** (823), **Chronos** (824), [del] **Guiri** (878-1009)[/del], **Telcontar** (883), **MHaye** (887), **Suburban** (954), **Chipa** (1005) **Suburban** (10): [del] **Chronos** (372-542)[/del], [del] **Telcontar** (578-883)[/del], [del] **Red** (596-897)[/del], [del] **Hoopy** (639-926)[/del], **Oredigger/Who** (643), [del] **Pleo** (644-884)[/del], **cucuy** (739), [del] **Chipa** (774-930)[/del], **Nanook** (797), **Red** (923), **Gadarere** (931), **peekercpa** (945-1019), **SpecialEd** (947), **Pleonast** (1004), **Guiri** (1009), **Drain** (1075), **Inner** (1091), [del] **OneandOnly** (1097-1131)[/del] **Chronos** (0): [del]\*\*Hoopy \*\*[404-506][/del], [del] **SpecialEd** [513-808][/del] **Hoopy** (0): [del] **Pleonast** [408-644][/del] **USCDiver** (0): [del] **Chronos** [585-759][/del], [del] **Drain Bead** [617-1075][/del], [del] **Gadarene** [622-931][/del] **Nanook** (0): [del] **peekercpa** [586-798][/del] **peekercpa** (1): [del] **Suburban** [605-796][/del], **Natlaw** [764], [del] **SpecialEd** [808-947][/del] **Astral** (1): [del] **OneandOnly** [612-1097][/del], **USCDiver** [614], [del] **Nanook** [673-797][/del] **MHaye** (0): [del] **Pleonast** [884-1004][/del] **Chipacabra** (2): **Hoopy** [1013], **peekercpa** [1019], **OneAndOnly** (1131) Not Voting (1): **Ninja/Snickers** Day 2 **Astral** (1): **Red** (1270), [del] **SpecialEd** (1324-1462)[/del] **SpecialEd** (4): **Chronos** (1273), **Chipacabra** (1323), [del] **Meeko** (1336-1481)[/del], [del] **Astral** (1720)[/del], **Snickers** (1773) **Chipacabra** (11): **Hoopy** (1287), **Gadarene** (1299), **Drain** (1406), **Nanook** (1421), **SpecialEd** (1462), **cucuy** (1600), **OneAndOnly** (1609). **Guiri** (1613), **USCDiver** (1620), [del] **Snickers** (1629-1655)[/del], **Natlaw** (1682), **Mhaye** (1765) **OneAndOnly** (0): [del] **Peeker** (1381-1496)[/del] **Mhaye** (0): [del] **Pleo** (1410-1631)[/del] **Pleo** (1): [del] **Meeko** (1481-1737)[/del], **Inner** (1761) **Hoopy** (1): **Peeker** (1496) **Meeko** (0): [del] **Pleo** (1631-1763)[/del] **Peeker** (2): **Meeko** (1737), **Pleo** (1763) Not Voting(1): **Oredigger/Who** Day 3 **Specialed** (6): [del] **Astral** (1850-2078)[/del], **Chronos** (1854), [del] **Meeko** (1861-1950)[/del], **Doctorwho** (2064), **Natlaw** (2080), **Guiri** (2085), **Mhaye** (2116), **Oneandonly** (2126) **Astral** (5): **Redskeezix** (1915), **SpecialEd** (2004), [del] **OneAndOnly** (2036-2126)[/del], **Drainbead** (2069), **Hoopy** (2105), **Inner** (2106) **Meeko** (0): [del] **Pleo** (1941-2065)[/del] **Pleonast** (2): **Meeko** (1950), [del] **Drain** (1959-2069)[/del], [del]\*\*Natlaw \*\*(2073-2080)[/del], \*\*Snickers \*\*(2109) **Snickers** (2): **Nanook** (1996), **USCDiver** (2003) **Hoopy** (1): **Peeker** (2018) **Peeker** (1): [del] **Hoopy** (2045-2105)[/del], **Pleonast** (2065) **Drainbead** (1): **Astralrejection** (2078) Not Voting(1): **cucuy** Day 4 **Peeker** (0): [del] **Meeko** (2156-2260)[/del], [del] **Hoopy** (2166-2210)[/del], [del] **OneAndOnly** (2180-2197)[/del] **Hoopy** (0): [del] **Peeker** (2160-2165)[/del] **OneAndOnly** (0): [del] **Peeker** (2165-2208)[/del] **Natlaw** (15): **Astral** (2190), **Nanook** (2191), **Chronos** (2192), **Inner** (2195), **OneAndOnly** (2197), **Peeker** (2208), **Hoopy** (2210), **Drain** (2244), **USCDiver** (2248), **Red** (2258), **Meeko** (2260), **Mhaye** (2271), **Snickers** (2325), **DoctorWho** (2329), **Guiri** (2341) **Nanook** (1): [del] **Mhaye** (2270-2271)[/del], **Natlaw** (2292) Not Voting(1): **cucuy** Day 5 **Astral** (7): **Chronos** (2407), [del] **USCDiver** (2408-2593)[/del], **Hoopy** (2418), [del] **Meeko** (2434-2579)[/del], **Inner** (2444), **Snickers** (2450), **Drainbead** (2465), **Doctorwho** (2515), **Nanook** (2600) **OneAndOnly** (0): [del] **Peeker** (2410-2429)[/del], **Peeker** (2582) **Chronos** (0): [del] **Peeker** (2429-2480)[/del] **Peeker** (5): **Oneandonly** (2415), [del] **Nanook** (2492-2600)[/del], **Mhaye** (2552), **Guiri** (2558), \*\*Meeko \*\*(2579), **USC** (2593) **Cucuy** (1): [del] **Peeker** (2513-2582)[/del], **Peeker** (2592) Not Voting(1): **cucuy** Day 6 **Peeker** (9): **Chronos** (2674), **Hoopy** (2683), **USCDiver** (2696), **Meeko** (2704), **Mhaye** (2710), **OneAndOnly** (2712), **DoctorWho** (2747), **Snickers** (2757), **Inner** (2788) **OneAndOnly** (0): [del] **Peeker** (2688-2698)[/del] **Chronos** (1): **Peeker** (2698) **Inner** (1): **Guiri** (2761)[/spoiler] WoW on **OreDigger** / **Doctor Who** [spoiler] **Oredigger77** [#170](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12793731&postcount=170) Confirms, it’s good to vote for anti-town actions but not a single anti-town action [#195](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12794050&postcount=195) Brief comment on Night 1’s claim and handshake failure [#248](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12794901&postcount=248) Fluff - re: colorless [#324](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12797359&postcount=324) Fluff - re: search function [#643](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12806358&postcount=643) Votes **Suburban** (4th vote), is pinged by **Suburban** ’s smudging and **Astral** ’s unvote [#653](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12806459&postcount=653) To **Astral** , best to ignore **Pleo** ’s claim [#758](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12810270&postcount=758) Fluff [#1217](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12821923&postcount=1217) Happy with dead scum, no time to reread [#1302](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12826894&postcount=1302) Wonders why **Telcontar** didn’t selfprotect, is suspicious of **Astral** , will review [#1802](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12844747&postcount=1802) Missed Day, has requested to be subbed **Doctor Who** [#1815](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12845720&postcount=1815) Fluff (joins game) [#1824](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12846033&postcount=1824) Fluff [#1829](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12846416&postcount=1829) Fluff [#1900](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12853331&postcount=1900) Is suspicious of **Special Ed** , needs to re-read, suspects some scum are lying low, questions **Special Ed** about a comment on mislynches [#2064](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12866034&postcount=2064) Votes **Special Ed** (forces tie with **Astral** ), not convinced by other cases, is “interested in” **Drain** for smudge, **Peeker** [#2074](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12866856&postcount=2074) Retracts comment on **Drain** , misread [#2102](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12868335&postcount=2102) Fluff [#2135](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12870150&postcount=2135) Fluff [#2329](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12886646&postcount=2329) Votes **Natlaw** (14th vote), baffled by timing, believes **Nanook** , has no ideas about parchment [#2388](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12897059&postcount=2388) Fluff [#2515](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12913851&postcount=2515) Votes **Astral** based on the fact that **Natlaw** knew his name, wonders if scum need to find the ring, is suspicious of **OaOW** ’s claim and **Peeker** ’s character’s alignment, plans to look into non-confirmed players [#2526](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12914273&postcount=2526) Responds to **Chronos** about explanation for **OaOW** ’s claim, still mystified by claim [#2604](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12920576&postcount=2604) Is suspicious of late push to prevent **Astral** ’s lynch, we need the information [#2607](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12920629&postcount=2607) To **Meeko** , explains why info from **Astral** ’s death is important [#2635](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12921649&postcount=2635) Fluff [#2650](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12921839&postcount=2650) Fluff [#2655](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12922460&postcount=2655) Fluff [#2665](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12928776&postcount=2665) Fluff [#2742](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12932862&postcount=2742) Asks **Peeker** to post role PM to allows us to evaluate his claim [#2747](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12932979&postcount=2747) Votes **Peeker** , nothing in role PM to support claims, would consider “not voting” if **Peeker** clarified secret info [#2753](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12935148&postcount=2753) To **Peeker** , analyzing **Natlaw** ’s claimed results is WIFOM [#2778](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12937348&postcount=2778) Advises **Peeker** to try finding remaining scum rather than betting on his towniness [#2854](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12945008&postcount=2854) Posts PM, claims Theoden[/spoiler]Analysis later, sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2863 "2010-09-23T12:14:10Z")
\*\*Vote Count: Oneandonly(1): Hoopy Day ends tomorrow at 11 AM Eastern\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2864 "2010-09-23T15:09:11Z")
Sorry for the delay. WOW on OaOW, part II. We join the party just after his vote for peeker on Day 4. Summary is mine alone, please correct me if there’s anything wrong. [spoiler] [#2185](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12879720&postcount=2185): Reiterates that we really need to hear from **Natlaw** after his claim late yesterDay. [#2189](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12879999&postcount=2189): Requests that **Natlaw** posts his role name - he saved **Astral** when he ( **Natlaw** ) was under no pressure. If **Nat** ’s scum, it’s a good chance that **Astral** is a scum power role. [#2197](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12880148&postcount=2197): Unvotes **peeker** , votes **Natlaw**. Mentions that today’s lynch is tied on, now let’s discuss **Nat** ’s motivation behind the save. [#2212](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12880303&postcount=2212): In response to **peeker** , says he judged a confirmed **Astral** to be more valuable than **ed** , even though he believed **ed** was town. [#2215](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12880441&postcount=2215): Asks **peeker** what the optimal pay would’ve been? Just unvoting **Astral** changed nothing. **Ed** was likely to get lynched at some point. If **Nat** was honest, then **Astral** was confirmed. If **Nat** ’s not, then maybe he’s buying cred or **Astral** is a scum power role. [#2221](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12880519&postcount=2221): Says that no one else is condemning him for his vote; the only other one who was has stated their understanding for **OaOW** ’s moves. [#2267](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12881921&postcount=2267): More explanation for the vote switch: while he believed **ed** was town, **ed** was likely to swing sooner or later because many viewed his failshake as scummy. Couldn’t think of a reason for a non-pressured detective cclaim from **Natlaw** , so that would confirm **Astral** as town. He had to save **Astral** and kill **ed** , even though he believed **ed** to be town. Of the motivations behind the save, it’s more likely that **Natlaw** was trying to build town cred. [#2272](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12882152&postcount=2272): In response to **MHaye** ’s post saying that **Nanook** has just bought a bunch of cred, feels that’s extremely unlikely. If town has a detective, this play would net town three scum. It’s more likely that **Natlaw** was either outing the detective, buying cred, or saving a powerful scum **Astral**. [#2274](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12882354&postcount=2274): Main utilities of a detective is to provide confirmed townies. There’s no worth in lynching them to prove the detective is a detective. [#2275](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12882359&postcount=2275): Further explanation of the vote switch: at the time, he believed **Natlaw** ’s claim. Made the decision based on available info; that the info has now changed does not make a bad decision then. [#2310](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12885390&postcount=2310): In response to Meeko, it’s just part of mafia that some players have more info than others. [#2326](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12886301&postcount=2326): Lays out the reasoning behind Natlaw’s botched claim: it seems to be an attempt to buy cred. [#2399](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12902237&postcount=2399): N4 post joking with **peeker** [#2415](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12903208&postcount=2415): Votes **peeker** for muddying the waters. More discussion of the vote switch. Points out that he could’ve carried out the same vote change at lynch -1 without exposing **Nat**. [#2416](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12903217&postcount=2416): In response to **peeker** , says that a player comitting to a claim is enough to believe them at lynch-1/2 hour. If they’re lying, we trade one for one; a good thing for town. [#2424](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12903416&postcount=2424): Claims Merry, a vanilla townie. Posts PM. [#2428](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12903480&postcount=2428): In response to **peeker** poking **USCDiver** , says **USC** is assuming that scum have a blocker since **Nanook** reported he was blocked. [#2430](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12903495&postcount=2430): Asks **peeker** for the reason behind his vote for **Chronos**. [#2432](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12903501&postcount=2432): Posts that **peeker** still hasn’t given a reason for his **Chronos** vote. [#2435](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12903527&postcount=2435): Asks **peeker** again why he voted for **Chronos**. [#2436](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12903531&postcount=2436): Says scum wouldn’t have missed his handshake with **ed** , but town might have. That’s why he claimed. [#2440](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12903544&postcount=2440): For him to have handshook, either he’s VT or had access to the VT role PM [#2442](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12903565&postcount=2442): Adds more clarification: by posting his PM, town now know as much as scum, a good thing. [#2459](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12905042&postcount=2459): Wonders how **Natlaw** knew **Astral** ’s role name. Either **Nat** ’s not a standard watcher, scum have an investigator, or **Astral** is scum. [#2475](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12908116&postcount=2475): Disagrees with **USCDiver** ’s analysis: **Sauron** ’s specficially mentioned in his PM; Sauron and his minions are who **OaOW** is worried about. [#2478](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12908548&postcount=2478): Agrees with **Snickers** : anyone who claims Sauron and town would be lynched right quick regardless of an investigator’s exoneration. [#2527](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12914350&postcount=2527): Reiterates reason behind claim: scum would’ve noticed his handshake with **ed** , and would have discussed it. Town might not have, or maybe forgot it, so he felt scum had more information than town. Posting the PM changed that. [#2542](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12916498&postcount=2542): Fluff post with **peeker** : Og can keep the opera. [#2545](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12917201&postcount=2545): Thinks that **Chronos** ’ idea that **peeker** was trying for force **Nanook** to investigate **Astral** is an interesting theory; might have credence if **Astral** comes back a godfather. [#2547](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12917327&postcount=2547): In response to **peeker** , what do you do when it’s 30 minutes from day’s end and you believe both contenders to be town? Voting for someone you think is scum at that point doesn’t do anything to get them lynched and one of the two “townies” would still swing. [#2550](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12917502&postcount=2550): Given the information available at the time, couldn’t believe that **Natlaw** ’s claim was a gambit to save scum, making **Astral** town. Chose to save a confirmed townie over a townie irreparably tainted by the failshake. [#2557](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12918783&postcount=2557): Would prefer a lynch of peeker today. [#2608](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12920720&postcount=2608): It’s the last minute save that throws him: likelihood that the save was too late and **Astral** would swing, leading to two dead scum (if **Astral** ’s scum). But if **Astral** ’s town, **Natlaw** ’s bought cred. [#2611](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12921090&postcount=2611): An investigator’s counter-claim of **Natlaw** probably wouldn’t matter, because **Natlaw** never claimed full investigator. [#2613](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12921256&postcount=2613): **Natlaw** could’ve known **Astral** ’s role name in two ways: from a scum investigator or from his watching, if his role powers were as he stated. [#2615](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12921281&postcount=2615): In response to **Snickers** , standard tracker doesn’t usually get the role name. But it could be a variant in this game. [#2621](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12921344&postcount=2621): In explanation to **Meeko** , says that **Snickers** conflated the two options in #2613, then realized they should be considered separately. [#2624](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12921381&postcount=2624): Says that regardless of the size of **Natlaw** ’s lies about his palantir’s powers, **Astral** stands to get lynched. [#2632](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12921636&postcount=2632): N5 post happy about crunchy spider death. [#2640](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12921752&postcount=2640): N5 post - **Mahaloth** is teasing us. [#2641](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12921755&postcount=2641): N5 post joking about the source of the scream. [#2680](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12928981&postcount=2680): Wonders if now it’s time for full claims from all. [#2681](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12928989&postcount=2681): Says it’s WIFOM, but it’s not really credible that a third scum (OaOW) would be involved in **Natlaw** ’s failed save just to save scum that’s not all that powerful anyway. [#2701](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12929345&postcount=2701): Asks **peeker** if he thinks that he ( **OaOW** ) is scum or not - he’s confused. [#2703](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12929364&postcount=2703): Joke post - he’s on the way to being merry. Hooray for ale! [#2712](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12930678&postcount=2712): Votes **peeker** , for reasons given yesterDay. [#2793](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12938494&postcount=2793): Joke post about **peek** ’s baby elephant impression in response to **Guiri**. [#2803](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12939003&postcount=2803): **Peeker** isn’t sharing data points behind his conclusions. Even if the conclusions are wrong, the data points could be valuable. [#2808](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12939071&postcount=2808): **Peeker** should share the hard facts he claims to have. What the worst that’ll happen - he gets modkilled before he’s lynched? [#2810](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12939126&postcount=2810): Peeker’s continued refusal to share his info is the very definition of a magic bag. [#2830](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12942967&postcount=2830): N6 joke post. [#2835](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12943147&postcount=2835): Asks who’s still alive and who’s confirmed as a first step to finding the last scum. [#2844](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12943531&postcount=2844): In response to USCDiver, says he’s received no items. [\spoiler] Things that jump out at me: [ul] [li]I don’t understand the three scum comment in #2272 - where does the third scum come from in this situation? Wait, I think I get it now. Scum A, that claims limited detective; scum B, that counter-claims full detective, and scum Y, the scum that A must have “investigated.” I think.[/li][li]#2415: says that if he was scum, he could’ve changed his vote at lynch - 1 (I think this is to mean lynch - 1 hour) without exposing **Natlaw**. But **Natlaw** ’s post at 10:33 AM (#2124) didn’t really give us that much more information than the original post (#2113) at 1:23 AM the night before. \*\*Natlaw \*\*was already exposed.[/li][li]I don’t buy the reasoning behind #2681. I think it is credible that scum would be involved in **Natlaw** ’s failed save. If they can’t talk during the day (which I believe they can’t), and if \*\*Natlaw \*\*got results of his investigation on \*\*Astral \*\*late N2 or early D3, there was no other way he could tell scum to save **Astral**. Pulling out the “ **Astral** ’s a hobbit” was a good plan; it’s guaranteed to get scum attention. They wouldn’t have known that Astral wasn’t hugely powered at the time, and it only took one vote. Yeah, it’s a lot of “ifs” but in my mind, it fits.[/li][li]Now that I’ve reviewed it, I also don’t know if I really believe the reasoning behind the vote switch. He’s said that voting for someone he thought was scum would do no good, so he voted \*\*ed \*\*even though he believed \*\*ed \*\*was town because \*\*ed \*\*was going to swing sometime anyway. I don’t buy this - yeah, he definitely attracted votes, but I think people were starting to abandon the idea that the handshake was a scum ploy. And I think that switching the vote to someone else, someone that you think is scum, wouldn’t have been useless. Especially because it meant that \*\*Astral \*\*would’ve swung anyway (the very person scummy \*\*Natlaw \*\*wanted to save). Voting \*\*ed \*\*sealed the deal, made the save certain. It’s the only way the save would’ve worked, and I think directly implicates \*\*OaOW \*\*as scum.[/li][/ul] When coupled with the \*\*Natlaw \*\*questioning about his claim, I think it’s just too much. **Vote One and Only Wanderers** ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2865 "2010-09-23T15:10:37Z")
Sorry about the spoiler box not working - I thought the Day ended today, and wanted to get that posted. Apologies. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2866 "2010-09-23T15:12:10Z")
Unfortunately, I will be unavailable for the majority of the evening. I’ll try to get to computers throughout the day, but I cannot make any guarantees. Guiri, I think you will find, if you were to go digging, that I tend to play in a similar way in every mafia game, regardless of alignment. I AM working on this but it can be difficult. At least, I’ve pretty much kicked the habit of finding a player I’m sure is town and then just voting like they do! Of the cases, that have been made so far, I find the one against OAOW to be stronger than the one against me. So: **Vote One And Only Wanders** for scummy voting. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2867 "2010-09-23T15:53:15Z")
I believe we all already know this: But, in the assumption it will be of marginal help : Lord of the Rings Role PM You are Celeborn. You are a member of the Alliance of Light. You are truly frightened about a future controlled by Sauron. You are sure that Sauron and his minions would destroy all good in Middle-earth and this includes your family and loved ones. You will not stop until Sauron and his minions are destroyed. Powers: You have no other powers beyond daily voting for lynching. You win when all threats to the Alliance of Light have been destroyed. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2868 "2010-09-23T15:56:45Z")
Has anyone ever made the Peer Pressure vote? \*\*Vote OAOW \*\* \*\* You know, “Everyone’s Doing it” \*\* **And furthermore** , I am willing to bet we are at 1 - 2 scum tops. So, I think its, … I think I should defer. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2869 "2010-09-23T16:01:38Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > To be fair to Inner Stickler, his late vote on Day 1 was probably due to his substituting in (he replaced Normal Phase), so should be excluded as an argument that he is one of SAHM. Agreed. He had just 3 days to catch up on loads of posts. I just noticed that he happened to vote after the only known scum in the bandwagons, **Drain** , on those two Days. > [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > I am somewhat suspicious, but I view it as weaker than the case against OaOW. Hmm. When you voted, your reasoning seemed pretty weak and I understood your vote was intended as some sort of a conversation starter: > [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > It was your vote that saved Astral and killed Ed. Sure, it’s largely a null tell in that either scum or town would do it, and I even brought that point up earlier, but we have to start somewhere, and that action has a strong scum motivation. **But if you or anyone can find soemthing scummier (or if I get the time to look I’ll try), I’ll easily change my vote.** Now you have given further reasons for voting **OaOW** : > [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > And we can’t completely discount peeker’s mod-hushed conclusion that one of chronos, OaOW, or I are scum. Now while his outright cases against us stunk like month old eggs (his supporting evidence against OaOW was pretty hamfisted), I’m curious as to why he really singled out us three. Obviously Chronos was town, I’m objectively pretty likely town (and subjectively _am_ Town), so that leaves only one remaining. I’m curious too. I’m somewhat more curious about why he was so sure **USC** was Town but haven’t found anything. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2870 "2010-09-23T18:15:56Z")
> [@Snickers](#): > > [li]I don’t understand the three scum comment in #2272 - where does the third scum come from in this situation? Wait, I think I get it now. Scum A, that claims limited detective; scum B, that counter-claims full detective, and scum Y, the scum that A must have “investigated.” I think.[/li] Scum 1 is Nat who claims to save Scum 2 (astral), Scum 3 would be me in this case. Do you really see team scum throwing away 2 (Nat + me) to save a standrad scum? If Astral had come back uber scum, maybe, but for me to be scum would actually be ridiculous in this scenario. Hopefully the lynching of me will flush out some data. Look closely at anyone who said my vote switch from Astral was a null tell, but who _voted me for it anyway_ ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2871 "2010-09-23T18:17:58Z")
**vote Hoopy** ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2872 "2010-09-23T21:23:07Z")
WOW on **USCDiver**. [#92](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12791801&postcount=92): Signs up [#99](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12792138&postcount=99): Confirms receipt of role PM [#112](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12792553&postcount=112): Joke post at **peeker** : should we post names or mysterious YouTube links? [#310](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12796749&postcount=310): Says his role PM agress with all handshakes summarized by **Telcontar**. Adds 4 Ds to the last section/paragraph. [#311](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12796755&postcount=311): Clarifies that his PM shakes well with the ones he could figure out. The more cryptic ones he didn’t understand. [#313](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12796775&postcount=313): Teaches **Astral** (and me!) how to search the thread for individual posters [#315](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12796952&postcount=315): Asks whether he duplicated anyone’s handshake with his 4 Ds [#402](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12798786&postcount=402): If **Mahaloth** gave the scum a VT PM, handshaking with a few VTs helps scum more than town. Clarifies which handshakes his PM matches, as summarized by **Telcontar**. Agrees that “all” wasn’t the best word choice. [#466](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12799579&postcount=466): Sees the reasoning behind stopping any handshakes - it’s meaningless. Should hold off on third party discussion until we see what night brings. [#486](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12800282&postcount=486): Post about previous game experience. Checking in before bed. [#539](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12802130&postcount=539): Questions how the player that **Chronos** knows the identity of would know anything about **Chronos** after a name claim. [#557](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12803495&postcount=557): Asks **Meeko** why he thinks there’s a 24/7 scum board. In canon, hobbits and Aragorn were attacked before forming the Fellowship on Weathertop. [#559](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12803691&postcount=559): Clarifies that previous post about canon was in response to **peeker**. He wasn’t making any comments on this game. [#582](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12804250&postcount=582): Says to **Gadarene** that there’s a difference between not following canon and not being in canon. It’d be unusual for any players to have a role that’s not in canon. And if their role name doesn’t agree with canon alignment, they’re not going to say that. [#600](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12805032&postcount=600): His PM disagrees with **Gadarene** ’s but agrees with eveone else’s. Says that **Chronos** , as a claimed non-vanilla, is making decisions based on a VT PM he’s never seen. We should focus on the person who’s disagreed with letter counts and hasn’t posted another shake attempt. [#614](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12805591&postcount=614): Votes **Astral** , because his vote and then unvote of **USCDiver** is fishy. [#615](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12805598&postcount=615): His impression of the shakes that disagreed were based on semantics and not actual substance. [#616](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12805601&postcount=616): NETA post to correct typo in previous [#618](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12805619&postcount=618): **Meeko** ’s being more comprehensible than in previous games. Wanted some more explanation about why **Meeko** suspected coordination in the hash discussion. [#720](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12808338&postcount=720): Most damning evidence on Astral is his “me too” vote without any other reasoning. [#721](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12808371&postcount=721): Doesn’t think **Chronos** has said anything about the Power role-ness (or not) of the person he has information about. [#1080](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12816627&postcount=1080): Lotsa posts to read. Formatting problems shouldn’t be much of an issue, especially after **Chronos** pointed out the possibility. Glad **Gadarene** changed his vote. Doesn’t want to lynch a claimed investigator on D1. Happy with his vote on **Astral** for the vote switching. [#1098](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12817621&postcount=1098): The reason **Astral** ’s vote sticks in **USCDiver** ’s mind so much and seems particularly scummy is because **USC** knows his own alignment. [#1169](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12818441&postcount=1169): N1 post celebrating scummy **Plankton** ’s demise [#1218](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12821931&postcount=1218): N1 post stating that scum’s been lynched on D1 in a few previous games. [#1221](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12822341&postcount=1221): N1 post - to have a big game thread, invite **peeker** and **ed**. [#1227](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12822754&postcount=1227): N1 post - doesn’t care that people are wordy, just wants well written and easy to decipher posts [#1231](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12822874&postcount=1231): N1 post joking with **peeker** [1232](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12822877&postcount=1232): N1 post correcting coding of previous [#1243](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12824500&postcount=1243): N1 post stating that sigs can be used to link to Days and Nights in the game [#1244](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12824502&postcount=1244): N1 post showing his sig that does just that. Warning! Included Rickroll. [#1247](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12824537&postcount=1247): N1 post joking that **Chronos** ruined the Rickroll [#1252](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12825138&postcount=1252): N1 post - decided between Rickroll and a dead link tribute to Wildest Bill [#1433](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12833217&postcount=1433): Starting D2 read through. Meta game question: does anyone remember when cover roles were handed out in Harry Potter? Could make a difference here. [#1446](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12833437&postcount=1446): Abandoning read through attempt. [#1473](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12833822&postcount=1473): Asks **peeker** to elaborate on why we shouldn’t vote for **ed** under any circumstances. [#1524](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12834248&postcount=1524): Totally lost by what **peeker** ’s trying to say in his “don’t vote ed” case [#1527](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12834269&postcount=1527): Explains what is meant by jsyk [#1529](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12834274&postcount=1529): Jokes that **Pleo** will vote **Inner** for the unexplained acronym use [#1562](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12834465&postcount=1562): Lays out how **peeker** ’s half-mason claim rather smells. USCDiver’s character doesn’t have any specifically named family, in either book or movie. [#1571](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12834560&postcount=1571): Another Wildest Bill tribute in response to **peeker**. [#1620](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12835677&postcount=1620): Votes **Chipacabra** because of **Chip** ’s scummy vote on **ed**. [#1675](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12840225&postcount=1675): Asks **Meeko** why he thinks the game is sideways, especially in regards to this game. [#1828](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12846227&postcount=1828): N2 post welcoming **Doctor Who** and explaining SDMB handle origin [#1905](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12853973&postcount=1905): Explains that **RoOsH** goes by **ToeJam** now, but doesn’t play much because of med school. [#1995](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12858655&postcount=1995): Joke post in response to **special ed** riffing on **Meeko** ’s maleness [#1997](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12858665&postcount=1997): Annoyed by nested quotes not working correctly, as in his previous post [#2003](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12858691&postcount=2003): Doesn’t see the lynch of **ed**. Agrees with **Nanook** ’s assessment of **Snickers** ’ posts, says she should be held to a higher standard even if she’s new. Votes **Snickers**. [#2122](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12869460&postcount=2122): In response to **Meeko** , says that **Pleonast** isn’t getting a pass, he’s being ignored. Requests to **Natlaw** for more info is a separate issue. [#2125](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12869978&postcount=2125): Asks **Natlaw** why he’s coming out with his investigator claim so late in the Day [#2169](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12878496&postcount=2169): Clarifies that **OaOW** ’s vote switch came on Day 3, not Day 2 as **peeker** stated [#2172](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12878519&postcount=2172): Posts to add signature with links [#2248](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12881212&postcount=2248): Votes **Natlaw**. Says that **peeker** doesn’t have real information and is making assumptions that are not proven to be true for anyone else. [#2252](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12881230&postcount=2252): Can’t figure out the scum motivation behind **Natlaw** ’s save. Still, someone has to die and **Natlaw** ’s claim is amateur, so he’s the one. [#2254](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12881242&postcount=2254): Scoffs at peeker’s PMs from **Mahaloth**. Says that no one else knew that **ed** was town at the time of **OaOW** ’s switch. [#2268](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12881955&postcount=2268): Wonders why **Natlaw** stuck his neck out for **Astral** to gain cred when he didn’t need it - he was under no pressure. If he’s scum, he’s had time to discuss his awkward claim over night, so it should have been better than it was. Maybe **Natlaw** ’s a lone third party. [#2310](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12884466&postcount=2301): Says that **Meeko** might prefer open setup games [#2342](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12891774&postcount=2342): In response to **Guiri** , says that few people switched votes because **Natlaw** ’s claim came so late. Doesn’t know what he would’ve done if he had been in a position to vote **Astral** (which he wasn’t, he’d voted for someone else) [#2347](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12892705&postcount=2347): Clarifies timing: **Natlaw** ’s first claim was the night before; then he posted more information about the claim 1/2 hour before the lynch [#2359](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12894779&postcount=2359): Joke post about **Mahaloth** ’s editing and delayed reveal [#2360](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12894794&postcount=2360): NETA to clarify who he was responding to with his previous post [#2368](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12896903&postcount=2386): Corrects **Mahaloth** ’s mispelling of Saruman [#2393](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12897712&postcount=2393): Tells **peeker** to wait until Saturday like everyone else [#2408](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12902983&postcount=2408): Echoes **Chronos** ’ reasoning for voting **Astral**. Votes **Astral**. [#2425](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12903455&postcount=2425): Says mmm, hmm in response to **Astral** ’s wondering how scum knew his correct name. Says that **Nanook** didn’t need to be killed if he could be blocked - a blocked investigator is the same as a vanilla townie. [#2458](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12904442&postcount=2458): Asks **peeker** whether **peeker** knows what **peeker** says he knows - **peeker** thought he’d die too if **ed** was killed [#2461](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12905869&postcount=2461): Asks **Astral** how he’s so sure there’s a godfather at all, and that Sauron would be the role name for taht godfather. Points out differences between **Plankton** ’s fake claim and **Natlaw** ’s. [#2463](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12905921&postcount=2463): In response to **Astral** , says that **Astral** is stating that there’s a Sauron as fact and not as an assumption. [#2470](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12907193&postcount=2470): Clarifies that he never argued that **Sauron** would be town, he’s arguing that **Astral** seems to already know that not only is Sauron in the game, but that he’s also the godfather. [#2474](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12908092&postcount=2474): Says that it’s not ridiculous to contend that unless the mod says otherwise, Town doesn’t know that the role of Sauron is in the game. It’s a good possibility, but it’s not unheard of for key characters be absent. [#2491](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12909751&postcount=2491): Tells **peeker** that it’s unfair to other players to expect **Mahaloth** to give him extra information in a PM. [#2505](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12911143&postcount=2505): Asks **peeker** what known scum was given a town name, and why scum wouldn’t have killed Aragorn N1 if they knew who he was. Reasoning makes no sense. [#2506](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12911165&postcount=2506): Says that no one else knows that **Astral** is town but seemingly **peeker**. States that peeker has perfect info syndrome. [#2509](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12911238&postcount=2509): Jokes back at **Astral** : quiet you! [#2510](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12911279&postcount=2510): Says it’d be silly for scum to kill an unconfirmed town when there are others who are much more confirmed. [#2521](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12914126&postcount=2521): Says that there’s no other way **Chronos** chould have gotten his information excep from the moderator. [#2525](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12914218&postcount=2525): Lays out why **Natlaw** ’s claim and **Chronos** ’ claim are in no way comparable [#2532](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12914875&postcount=2532): Challenges **peeker** ’s assertion that his conclusion was in any way accurate [#2534](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12915530&postcount=2534): Didn’t say that **peeker** claimed a lover role, but that that was **peeker** ’s conclusion. [#2536](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12915740&postcount=2536): Challenges peeker’s assertion that he didn’t claim to have a lover-type role [#2538](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12915781&postcount=2538): Joke post to **peeker** about “eaten alive” role mechanic [#2587](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12920101&postcount=2587): Clarifies point again: he never insisted that Sauron was not in the game. He’s only stating that town should remain skeptical about roles or characters purported to be in a closed game. Because **Astral** doesn’t share that skepticism, it’s a scum tell. [#2593](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12920279&postcount=2593): Unvotes **Astral** , votes **peeker**. [#2610](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12920913&postcount=2610): **Nat** probably wasn’t ever on his way to being a confirmed investigator as he’d have been counter-claimed soon after. [#2654](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12922437&postcount=2654): N5 post celebrating crunchy spidery goodness demise. Or maybe **Mahaloth** ’s post about the scream and cracking noises - it’s not clear. [#2657](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12922704&postcount=2657): N5 joke post [#2696](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12929287&postcount=2696): Votes **peeker**. Posts his PM - claims Gamling. [#2709](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12929610&postcount=2709): Questions **peeker** ’s assertion that **USCDiver** is undoubtedly town. [#2722](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12931529&postcount=2722): Says that he’d prefer **peeker** say anything that makes sense logically. [#2729](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12932098&postcount=2729): **peeker** ’s just being flippant by making assertions and not sharing info, then saying that he’s being perfectly clear [#2731](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12932217&postcount=2731): Due to character restrictions, had to cut a few Day and Night links out of his signature [#2754](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12935179&postcount=2754): Asks how we’re supposed to know who **Nat** tracked or what he found [#2775](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12937052&postcount=2775): The possibility that **peeker** is town is between a skosh and a tad [#2782](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12937455&postcount=2782): Asks **peeker** to post his PM. If he gets modkilled and we agree with his conclusions, then we can lynch **Chronos**. [#2800](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12938975&postcount=2800): Says that sharing info is part of the game. **Peeker** hasn’t helped us use his extra information, so it’s useless. [#2807](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12939056&postcount=2807): Won’t blindly trust **peeker** ’s conclusions when he won’t share the info that led to them. Conclusions are meaningless if you don’t share evidence behind them. [#2841](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12943426&postcount=2841): Asks whether anyone’s received any items, and does it do anything? He hasn’t received any items. [#2842](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12943457&postcount=2842): In response to **Snickers** , says he had to look up his role name (Gamling) too. ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2873 "2010-09-23T21:29:50Z")
Huh, never knew there was a character limit on posts. Now I do; good to know. Here’s my analysis: Things that jump out at me: Well, nothing really. There was some weirdness in the failshake business. Some weirdness in the “Sauron might not be in this game” business. I agree that that position is a stretch, especially given the opening color and my PM, but I also think that it’s prudent to be skeptical. His vote for **Natlaw** was a bit strange: “someone’s got to die, and **Natlaw** ’s claim is amateur, so I vote him.” None of this is enough to really bother me. ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2874 "2010-09-23T21:41:39Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > Scum 1 is Nat who claims to save Scum 2 (astral), Scum 3 would be me in this case. > > Do you really see team scum throwing away 2 (Nat + me) to save a standrad scum? If Astral had come back uber scum, maybe, but for me to be scum would actually be ridiculous in this scenario. The problem is, I believe that team scum didn’t know whether **Astral** was uber scum or not at the time of **Natlaw** ’s claim. If they had known that **Astral** wasn’t, you’re right: no, they wouldn’t have thrown away two scum for another vanilla one. But I think they didn’t know. And the way **Natlaw** worded his save, that **Astral** was a hobbit, I think scum would’ve been more inclined to believe he had high value. Given what we now know, I can’t help but think that there’s no way that **Natlaw** ’s gambit would have worked without scum involvement. I’m not seeing how it’s ridiculous at all. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2010, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2875 "2010-09-23T22:19:49Z")
[quote=“One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers, post:2870, topic:549867”] > [@Snickers](#): > > **Do you really see team scum throwing away 2 (Nat + me) to save a standrad scum?** If Astral had come back uber scum, maybe, but for me to be scum would actually be ridiculous in this scenario. **I liked it better as “Scum wouldn’t do that”.** ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2010, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2876 "2010-09-24T02:46:44Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > Hopefully the lynching of me will flush out some data. Look closely at anyone who said my vote switch from Astral was a null tell, but who _voted me for it anyway_ > [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > **[color]vote Hoopy[/color]** I feel even better about my vote with an OMGUS like that. Guess what? While you have a null tell, it’s still a strong scum tell. The strongest scum tell I see currently in this game. I won’t vote null tells when there are what I feel better options, but a null tell still is a tell. There is a scummy motivation for what you did, and a significant one. Are you really trying to convince us that I’m a better target than you? Because your soundly failing at it. I did nothing two Nights ago as confirmed by Chronos. So you’re going to need a much stronger case than “he’s voting me over a null tell so he must be scum.” ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2010, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2877 "2010-09-24T02:49:22Z")
NETA: Besides, this is end game. Everyone has claimed vanilla. We have to start reducing the unconfirmed pool. OMGUS at this point in the game is patently ridiculous. You want me to change my vote, convince me why I should. Because one claimed vanilla is just as useful (useless?) as another claimed vanilla in end game. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2010, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2878 "2010-09-24T03:57:29Z")
Man, I’m at a loss now… I don’t have a great ideas at this point, but I think the idea of narrowing the unconfirmed pool is the only way to go. I re-read \*\*Guiri’s \*\*analysis of \*\*Stickler \*\*and \*\*MHaye’s \*\*analysis of \*\*OAOW \*\*from Yesterday. I think both are valid cases, but this: > [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > **vote Hoopy** is a pretty lame vote. So I’m going to **vote One And Only Wanderers** > [@Snickers](#): > > WOW on **USCDiver**. Hey, cool! That might be the first time anyone has ever done a WoW on me! For what its worth, I think it’s a pretty accurate representation of my posts. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Who](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Doctor\_Who](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Who)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2010, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2879 "2010-09-24T05:21:15Z")
**vote One And Only Wanderers** Mainly because peeker fingered him during the magic bag claims. That’s about all I got right now. Lame but at least I’m calling it out as lame. I apologize for my lack of participation toDay. The transition to working at nights has not left much Mafia time. I’ve done my best, but I’ll admit it hasnt been great. Assuming I’m still alive toMorrow, I have this weekend off and will be much more involved. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2010, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/2880 "2010-09-24T07:10:09Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > NETA: Besides, this is end game. Everyone has claimed vanilla. We have to start reducing the unconfirmed pool. OMGUS at this point in the game is patently ridiculous. You want me to change my vote, convince me why I should. Because one claimed vanilla is just as useful (useless?) as another claimed vanilla in end game. I haven’t voted you for OMGUS. I have voted you for going x is a null tell _and then voting me anyway_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=143) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=145)