# Lord of the Rings Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 10, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867 "2010-08-10T19:56:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 151
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/3001 "2010-10-01T17:44:07Z")
Town only knew things were going their way because sheer numbers told them that they had to be. No, everybody else doesn’t “get it.” They just recognize that they don’t, and let it go, wait for further developments. Seriouly, **Meeko** , if Mafia makes you feel this bad about yourself, you shouldn’t play (at least, not closed games). Not because you’re not a good player (because, actually, you aren’t bad) but because it makes you feel so rotten about yourself. I’m about to start my first game, and if I come out of it feeling as crappy as you seem to do, I won’t play again. I’ve got plenty of things in life to feel shitty about; I don’t need a game to add to it. I hate to see you do this to yourself. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/3002 "2010-10-01T18:27:24Z")
Woohoo! Way to go Rohirrim and Elves! By my count the remaining characters are Celeborn, Elrond, Theoden, and, yours truly, the ever popular Gamling! ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Who](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Doctor\_Who](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Who)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/3003 "2010-10-01T18:29:56Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > Woohoo! Way to go Rohirrim and Elves! By my count the remaining characters are Celeborn, Elrond, Theoden, and, yours truly, the ever popular Gamling! Who? No, seriously… what was your real cover role? ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/3004 "2010-10-01T18:32:53Z")
I was half hoping Stickler would flip Town so I could lynch your scummy ass! ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/3005 "2010-10-01T18:33:24Z")
Yep, the old men (Theoden and Gamling) pull it off again. Plus Elrond, of course; while not the oldest of the players in this game, he creaked across the finish line with the best of them. Shame Bilbo missed the party, really. Well done for sticking to your guns, and finally routing out the last of SAHM. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/3006 "2010-10-01T18:38:57Z")
Yes, Gamling was a real player’s role. And the covers were: Gimli Haldir Pippin ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/3007 "2010-10-01T18:41:34Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > > [@Oy](#): > > > > But, even speaking as a total Mafia newbie, the whole point is that you \*don’t \*know where the corners are. You never did, were never supposed to. That’s what makes it a closed game. > > > > Not understanding what just happened does not make you a bad player. Nobody else understands what just happened either. > > Not sure if Never is the word to use. Certainly Town has to make some progress in order to win. Therefore, they understand some of the corners. Town knew that the game was going there way at the tail end of this thing. > > For the second part: > > Not understanding what just happened… \*\*It doesn’t feel this way in the least. \*\* > > Everyone else “Gets” Mafia. period. What we “get” is that we know that we aren’t supposed to completely understand everything perfectly. Even after things happen, we won’t always understand it. Complaining that you don’t understand when you specifically aren’t supposed to understand is sideways. The concept for me, is to take what I do know, make some educated guesses, and pick what I think is the best play. Sometimes I’m right. More often, I’m wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Who](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Doctor\_Who](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Who)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/3008 "2010-10-01T18:42:26Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > I was half hoping Stickler would flip Town so I could lynch your scummy ass! What? I had Hoopy totally convinced to vote you after Stickler. It was in the bag. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/3009 "2010-10-01T18:44:15Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > Woohoo! Way to go Rohirrim and Elves! By my count the remaining characters are Celeborn, Elrond, Theoden, and, yours truly, the ever popular Gamling! but no Glorfindel. He wasn’t in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Who](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Doctor\_Who](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Who)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/3010 "2010-10-01T18:46:30Z")
By the way, Mahaloth, I just wanted to say you did a great job designing and running the game. I had a lot of fun. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Who](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Doctor\_Who](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Who)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/3011 "2010-10-01T18:47:33Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > > [@USCDiver](#): > > > > Woohoo! Way to go Rohirrim and Elves! By my count the remaining characters are Celeborn, Elrond, Theoden, and, yours truly, the ever popular Gamling! > > but no Glorfindel. He wasn’t in the game. Yes. Now that it’s over, can someone please explain the Glorfindel thing? And what special magic bag information did peeker have? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/3012 "2010-10-01T18:48:58Z")
i hate being scum so so much and it seems to be the only role i ever get in mahaloth games ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/3013 "2010-10-01T18:49:17Z")
> [@Doctor\_Who](#): > > By the way, Mahaloth, I just wanted to say you did a great job designing and running the game. I had a lot of fun. I agree. Well designed and a fun game. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/3014 "2010-10-01T18:49:59Z")
Ed accidentally was sent a never used vanilla town PM for glorfindel, and Peeker was accidentally told he was Eowyn at first. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Who](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Doctor\_Who](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Who)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/3015 "2010-10-01T18:50:58Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > Woohoo! > > Congrats to my fellow townies! > > (And no, I won’t apologize, Doctor. Town should never be compliant going into endgame unless they are certain that the number of mislynches remaining is bigger than the pool of unconfirmed. Which means, I’m looking at those who aren’t under any heat.) I didn’t really expect an apology. That was just game talk. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Who](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Doctor\_Who](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Who)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/3016 "2010-10-01T18:53:47Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > i hate being scum so so much and it seems to be the only role i ever get in mahaloth games You did a pretty good job as a sort of “stealth scum”. You just had a tough road ahead of you after Sauron died. Too many confirmeds. It almost came down to a LyLo situation though (if, for example, we had let Hoopy murder me like he wanted to… :p) ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/3017 "2010-10-01T18:54:40Z")
[quote=“Drain\_Bead, post:2997, topic:549867”] > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > i hate being scum so so much and it seems to be the only role i ever get in mahaloth games Really? Bad luck, then. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/3018 "2010-10-01T19:00:07Z")
> [@Doctor\_Who](#): > > > [@special\_ed](#): > > > > but no Glorfindel. He wasn’t in the game. > > Yes. Now that it’s over, can someone please explain the Glorfindel thing? And what special magic bag information did peeker have? Here is my role PM and subseuqnet conversation with Mahaloth: > [@Mahaloth](#): > > You are Faramir. > > You are a member of the Alliance of Light. > > You are truly frightened about a future controlled by Sauron. You are sure that Sauron and his minions would destroy all good in Middle-earth and this includes your family and loved ones. You will not stop until Sauron and his minions are destroyed. > > Powers: > > You have no other powers beyond daily voting for lynching. > > You win when all threats to the Alliance of Light have been destroyed. > > You are Glorfindel. > > You are a member of the Alliance of Light. > > You are truly frightened about a future controlled by Sauron. You are sure that Sauron and his minions would destroy all good in Middle-earth and this includes your family and loved ones. You will not stop until Sauron and his minions are destroyed. > > Powers: > > You have no other powers beyond daily voting for lynching. > > You win when all threats to the Alliance of Light have been destroyed. > [@special ed](#): > > Am I 2 people? > > > [@Mahaloth](#): > > > > You are Faramir. > > > > You are a member of the Alliance of Light. > > > > You are truly frightened about a future controlled by Sauron. You are sure that Sauron and his minions would destroy all good in Middle-earth and this includes your family and loved ones. You will not stop until Sauron and his minions are destroyed. > > > > Powers: > > > > You have no other powers beyond daily voting for lynching. > > > > You win when all threats to the Alliance of Light have been destroyed. > > > > You are Glorfindel. > > > > You are a member of the Alliance of Light. > > > > You are truly frightened about a future controlled by Sauron. You are sure that Sauron and his minions would destroy all good in Middle-earth and this includes your family and loved ones. You will not stop until Sauron and his minions are destroyed. > > > > Powers: > > > > You have no other powers beyond daily voting for lynching. > > > > You win when all threats to the Alliance of Light have been destroyed. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > No. > > You are Faramir. Don’t worry about it, either. That was an error and doesn’t affect the game. > > Mahaloth > [@special ed](#): > > OK, but you didn’t really need to tell me that 🙂 > > > [@Mahaloth](#): > > > > Yeah, the whole 2 pm thing. > > > > Let’s not mention that in the game. If you must know, no one is Glorfindel. It was the 24th character, so to speak. Sach pointed out we needed 23, not 24, and I forgot to wipe out the PM for it and you got it. > > > > Got it? > > > > :embarassed: > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mahaloth > [@special ed](#): > > Well, that’s a fine pickle I’ve put myself in because of you. I had a strong, strong indication that the vanilla role PMs were all identical. > > > [@Mahaloth](#): > > > > Yeah, the whole 2 pm thing. > > > > Let’s not mention that in the game. If you must know, no one is Glorfindel. It was the 24th character, so to speak. Sach pointed out we needed 23, not 24, and I forgot to wipe out the PM for it and you got it. > > > > Got it? > > > > :embarassed: > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mahaloth > [@Mahaloth](#): > > I have no idea what you are talking about. I’ve made zero mistakes and given zero bad/fallible information. > > 😕 > [@special ed](#): > > > [@Mahaloth](#): > > > > I have no idea what you are talking about. I’ve made zero mistakes and given zero bad/fallible information. > > > > 😕 > > Am I expressly forbidden from mentioning your mistake? > [@Mahaloth](#): > > > [@special ed](#): > > > > > [@Mahaloth](#): > > > > > > I have no idea what you are talking about. I’ve made zero mistakes and given zero bad/fallible information. > > > > > > 😕 > > > > Am I expressly forbidden from mentioning your mistake? > > Oh, I see. I didn’t get what you meant. > > Uh, yes, please don’t mention it. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Who](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Doctor\_Who](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Who)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/3019 "2010-10-01T19:03:22Z")
So was that the genesis of the handshaking attempt? Or would you have tried it anyways as a matter of course? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2010, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/3020 "2010-10-01T19:12:56Z")
> [@Doctor\_Who](#): > > So was that the genesis of the handshaking attempt? Or would you have tried it anyways as a matter of course? No, not having a Vanilla PM posted was the genesis of it. Having 2 identical PMs made me confident that the Vanilla had the same PM [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=150) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=152)