# Lord of the Rings Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 10, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867 "2010-08-10T19:56:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/461 "2010-08-14T01:10:56Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > **ed** seems to play the same way as i do (and **ed** please feel free to tell my am full of it). which i have no doubt he will do so. While there are some similarities in our play styles. I tend to aim more for the comprehensible side of the participation spectrum. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/462 "2010-08-14T01:30:03Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > **ed** seems to play the same way as i do (and **ed** please feel free to tell my am full of it). which i have no doubt he will do so. > > While there are some similarities in our play styles. I tend to aim more for the comprehensible side of the participation spectrum. i think **meeko** would tend to disagree as well as me. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/463 "2010-08-14T01:31:47Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > > [@special\_ed](#): > > > > While there are some similarities in our play styles. I tend to aim more for the comprehensible side of the participation spectrum. > > i think **meeko** would tend to disagree as well as me. I rest my case. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/464 "2010-08-14T01:35:13Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > It’s worked repeatedly in the past. cite? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/465 "2010-08-14T01:36:18Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > i think **meeko** would tend to disagree as well as me. > > I rest my case. ok, this made me chuckle. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/466 "2010-08-14T01:39:42Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > I was (and still am) concerned that we’re simply giving information to scum. If they do have access to a vanilla town PM, any further attempts at handshaking are just making it easier for them to win. We, Town, have no way of distinguishing between a valid VT handshake and a scum false-claiming handshake so we cannot consider any of those who have attempted to handshake as confirmed Town. The scum, however, don’t have this problem and so are able to identify a decent number of VTs, thus reducing the pool of players in which to find power roles. Even if every real VT successfully handshakes, we’re no better off as, most likely, all scum will have claimed VT too. > > If scum don’t have the PM, there’s no problem if all remaining VTs handshake and, according to the numbers presented, we’re likely to win the game solely based on handshaking. Apart from not being much fun, I doubt Mahaloth would have left that loophole open. > > I must still be missing something obvious if no-one sees the same issue. > [@special\_ed](#): > > I agree and have been stating for a while that the handshaking is meaningless. It should stop, please Ah, now I see what you’re saying and I agree. I’ll drop it as well. As far as the whole Gollum/PFK/Third-party discussion, I think we should hold off on any speculation until we’ve had at least one Night. If we get two (or more) night kills then we need to at least consider the possibility. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/467 "2010-08-14T03:53:30Z")
Quoth **Chipacabra** : > [@](#): > > I’m curious about Chronos’s half-mason claim. Does the other party know Chronos’s identity? Do they know Chronos knows? I suspect there’s more going on here. I do not know the answer to either of these questions, nor can I think of any way to answer them without outing the other party. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/468 "2010-08-14T04:04:09Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > > [@Telcontar](#): > > > > the arguments with Chronos and **Peep**. > > \ > > it’s **peek** you son of a gun. Not any more. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/469 "2010-08-14T04:44:02Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > > [@special\_ed](#): > > > > It’s worked repeatedly in the past. > > cite? This was in reference to me stating that handshaking has worked in the past. [Princess Bride on Giraffe Day 1](http://www.giraffeboards.com/showthread.php?t=2803), between myself and Bear\_Nenno (the moderator came in and posted the Vanilla role PM) [Sock Mafia on Giraffe Day 1](http://www.giraffeboards.com/showthread.php?t=13283) effectively confirming only myself (as Charles Lutwidge Dodgson) (The moderator came in and accused me of cheating because I quoted my PM. However, I hadn’t quoted my PM, only given the numbers of times some very common words appeared in it. The Vanilla Role PM was posted in short order.) [Undying War on Idlemafia Day](http://psychopathgame.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=undyingwar&action=display&thread=1004)1 semi-confirming several people, I don’t recall who but maybe NAF, and Fleo and Nanook? does that ring a bell? (I think there was a no quoting rule there too, but it was done through alluding to the win condition or maybe a lack thereof. Someone else might remember better.) [Something happened in Weird Wild West here on SDMB](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=526406) I can’t really remember but I think it involved Zeriel and myself I recall that there was another one, but I cannot find it at the present moment. Is that enough for you? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/470 "2010-08-14T05:17:25Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Quoth **Chipacabra** : > > > [@](#): > > > > I’m curious about Chronos’s half-mason claim. Does the other party know Chronos’s identity? Do they know Chronos knows? I suspect there’s more going on here. > > I do not know the answer to either of these questions, nor can I think of any way to answer them without outing the other party. As far as the second question goes, wouldn’t naming the role work? It’s not like we don’t all have a good idea about which character names are likely to be represented in the game. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/471 "2010-08-14T05:36:53Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > > [@Chronos](#): > > > > Quoth **Chipacabra** :I do not know the answer to either of these questions, nor can I think of any way to answer them without outing the other party. > > As far as the second question goes, wouldn’t naming the role work? It’s not like we don’t all have a good idea about which character names are likely to be represented in the game. I would hesitate to follow this approach. It’s quite possible that Chronos must find and kill a specific character (Gollum must find and kill Sam and Frodo) or some type of recruitment (Grima can recruit Theoden) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/472 "2010-08-14T06:10:59Z")
> [@](#): > > Something happened in Weird Wild West here on SDMB I can’t really remember but I think it involved Zeriel and myself IIRC, **Meeko** name-claimed early (with the name of a major character), and then the mod announced that the Scum were being given cover names, thereby proving that they hadn’t before, and thus confirming **Meeko**. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/473 "2010-08-14T06:12:00Z")
Wait, no, I’m thinking of Lost, not Weird West. I’m not sure why I get those two mixed up, especially considering that I didn’t even play in Weird West. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/474 "2010-08-14T06:24:56Z")
Earlier I said I was going to disregard Pleo’s power claim, but in reviewing the thread I’ve seen something that gives me pause. On page 5, post #244, Pleo says > [@Pleonast](#): > > For example, I have no idea what a vanilla role PM looks like. I thought his comment earlier was a one-off, but he’s been repeatedly asserting his power status. This seems really suspicious to me. If I had a power role, I’d be keeping quiet about it this early in the game. The only pro-town motivation I can see is that (if he’s vanilla) he’ll draw scum fire and his death will protect any real power roles out there. I’ve got my eye on you, Pleo! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![cucuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cucuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cucuy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/475 "2010-08-14T06:43:21Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Something happened in Weird Wild West here on SDMB I can’t really remember but I think it involved Zeriel and myself > > IIRC, **Meeko** name-claimed early (with the name of a major character), and then the mod announced that the Scum were being given cover names, thereby proving that they hadn’t before, and thus confirming **Meeko**. > [@Chronos](#): > > Wait, no, I’m thinking of Lost, not Weird West. I’m not sure why I get those two mixed up, especially considering that I didn’t even play in Weird West. I played in _Weird Wild West_ and I don’t recall either you or **Special Ed** in that game (I subbed in Day 2.) Which brings up another question: in that game **USCDiver** was outed as scum, but in fact was a Miller. I’ve followed other games where the Miller situation was addressed, and the general consensus was that the Miller should claim early, like Day 1, to avoid problems later. Would the consensus be the same here? To be clear: if I were a Miller, I would claim now. (I am not a Miller.) ---
**Author:** ![cucuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cucuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cucuy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/476 "2010-08-14T06:44:33Z")
NETA: The nested quotes don’t show it, but that is **Special Ed’s** quote inside of **Chronos’** first quote. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/477 "2010-08-14T06:54:45Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Something happened in Weird Wild West here on SDMB I can’t really remember but I think it involved Zeriel and myself > > IIRC, **Meeko** name-claimed early (with the name of a major character), and then the mod announced that the Scum were being given cover names, thereby proving that they hadn’t before, and thus confirming **Meeko**. no, that was Lost and wasn’t a handshake but an unprovoked early claim. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/478 "2010-08-14T06:56:05Z")
> [@cucuy](#): > > I played in _Weird Wild West_ and I don’t recall either you or **Special Ed** in that game (I subbed in Day 2.) I was killed in Night 1 ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/479 "2010-08-14T06:59:42Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > > [@cucuy](#): > > > > I played in _Weird Wild West_ and I don’t recall either you or **Special Ed** in that game (I subbed in Day 2.) > > I was killed in Night 1 and a cite for peeper, [here’s the link](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11429506&postcount=486) to the post starting Day 2 and identifying my death ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2010, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/480 "2010-08-14T08:46:22Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > cite? > > This was in reference to me stating that handshaking has worked in the past. > > [Princess Bride on Giraffe Day 1](http://www.giraffeboards.com/showthread.php?t=2803), between myself and Bear\_Nenno (the moderator came in and posted the Vanilla role PM) > > [Sock Mafia on Giraffe Day 1](http://www.giraffeboards.com/showthread.php?t=13283) effectively confirming only myself (as Charles Lutwidge Dodgson) (The moderator came in and accused me of cheating because I quoted my PM. However, I hadn’t quoted my PM, only given the numbers of times some very common words appeared in it. The Vanilla Role PM was posted in short order.) > > [Undying War on Idlemafia Day](http://psychopathgame.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=undyingwar&action=display&thread=1004)1 semi-confirming several people, I don’t recall who but maybe NAF, and Fleo and Nanook? does that ring a bell? (I think there was a no quoting rule there too, but it was done through alluding to the win condition or maybe a lack thereof. Someone else might remember better.) > > [Something happened in Weird Wild West here on SDMB](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=526406) I can’t really remember but I think it involved Zeriel and myself > > I recall that there was another one, but I cannot find it at the present moment. > > Is that enough for you? that works. the only one that i played in, and was to a great extent disengaged from, is the undying war one. if i recall correctly scum won that puppy. how did it work out for town in the others? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=25)