# Lord of the Rings Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 10, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867 "2010-08-10T19:56:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/621 "2010-08-16T13:44:49Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Bleargh. > > Vote USCDiver No, this is NOT A VOTE. I’m being strict up front so I don’t have any late Day or late game votes that are not clear and I have to “decide” whether to count it. Unbolded votes/unvotes will not count. Astral, you did this as well, both for the vote and unvote. Be careful. Ahem: **Bold AND Blue/Red votes/unvotes!** \*\* Vote Count(check it for accuracy, please): Vote Count: Hoopy(1): Pleonast Chronos(1): Specialed Suburban(2): Telcontar, Red Skeezix USCDiver(2): Chronos, Drainbead Nanook(1): Peeker Peeker(1): Suburban Astral(2): OneandOnly, USCDiver\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/622 "2010-08-16T13:46:25Z")
My bad. **Vote USCDiver** ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/623 "2010-08-16T13:48:02Z")
OK, updated to include one more vote: \*\*Vote Count: Hoopy(1): Pleonast Chronos(1): Specialed Suburban(2): Telcontar, Red Skeezix USCDiver(3): Chronos, Drainbead, Gadarene Nanook(1): Peeker Peeker(1): Suburban Astral(2): OneandOnly, USCDiver\*\* ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/624 "2010-08-16T14:13:01Z")
and i am going to come to the defense of **plankton** a bit even though he/she (?) is voting me. i have the same basic philosophy regarding the other folks in the game. namely, i don’t trust the lot of you and look askance at everyone equally, initially. so i don’t know that i would have gone so far as to say that there are 22 trying to kill me but there are potentially 22 trying to kill me. and i know that is a subtle distinction. but one that does not seem to merit a vote, or the justification for a vote. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/625 "2010-08-16T14:18:31Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > One person is currently trying to kill you, **Chronos**? Is this a reference to something in particular? I think he’s referring to the fact that I am actually voting for him. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/626 "2010-08-16T14:23:22Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > > [@Gadarene](#): > > > > One person is currently trying to kill you, **Chronos**? Is this a reference to something in particular? > > I think he’s referring to the fact that I am actually voting for him. Okay, that makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/627 "2010-08-16T14:28:21Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > I don’t think \*\*Meeko \*\*is being an easy target in this game. To the contrary, he’s been much more comprehensible that I remember from his previous games. I was simply trying to get him to explain a bit more why he thought there was some coordination in the hash discussion. In general, I think there are too many red herrings for day 1. Too many things to distract us. Yes, Day 1 will have a few, but I just can’t shake the feeling that one of the herrings is cooked up real nice for townies. Served with Wine, of course. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/628 "2010-08-16T14:31:02Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > > [@special\_ed](#): > > > > I think he’s referring to the fact that I am actually voting for him. > > Okay, that makes sense. It does if that’s what he meant. Was this what you meant Chronos? ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/629 "2010-08-16T14:55:33Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > **Skeezix** , I’ve read this last bit three times, and I’m not sure what you’re trying to say… > > And to both you and Chronos, please tell me: How many of the 22 players in this game besides yourself do \*you \*trust aren’t trying to kill you at this point? I’m saying that you’re comment that there are 9(?) players who have not posted enough for your liking is an arbitrary smudge. A smudge that furthers three plausible goals for a scum player, a) a mislynch b) lots of suspicion surrounding those players who vote an absentee town player c) it enables him to draw focus to those players least likely to raise a defense. Clarification for c: Those players least likely to raise a defense are those being smudged aka those not participating enough. At this point there is 22 - (# scum players + # PFKs) players who don’t want me dead and who aren’t trying to kill me. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/630 "2010-08-16T15:08:57Z")
> [@Red\_Skeezix](#): > > At this point there is 22 - (# scum players + # PFKs) players who don’t want me dead and who aren’t trying to kill me. \ your math is not real accurate. if you are scum or malicious pfk then you better make that 21. because i definitely want you dead in either of those cases. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/631 "2010-08-16T15:20:10Z")
Happy Monday everyone! > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > If this were a multi-vote game, I’d be putting another one on **Suburban Plankton** , for being all over the damn map. Going from voting for lurkers to voting **peeker** for noising up the thread is just…strange. If you don’t trust me, that’s fine, but let’s keep the facts straight. I did not vote for any lurkers. I’ve only cast one vote so far. I called out the lurkers and said that they needed to stop lurking. Slight difference. > [@Gadarene](#): > > One person is currently trying to kill you, **Chronos**? Is this a reference to something in particular? I agree with others that this doesn’t mean anything. Chronos was responding to my statement about people wanting me dead, and attempting to be very precise with his wording. I’m pretty sure the “one person” refers to special ed, who has the only vote cast against Chronos at this point. > [@cucuy](#): > > You’ve been busy smudging people. And now going after **peeker** “for being peeker” is hardly a valid vote. As for the ones you consider to be lurking, can you give a substantial reason for _not_ voting them? I still don’t understand what seems to be a wide-held opinion that we can discount anything/everything peeker says, because he’s just “being himself”. I couldn’t care less whether he’s being himself, or if he’s acting completely out of character. I voted for peeker because I didn’t like the content of what he posted _ **in this thread** _. Maybe if I had played a number of gamed with him I might have a different opinion. But since I don’t have the benefit of history, I’m not using that to base my opinions. I don’t like voting for lurkers. I would much rather wait for them to post something, then make a decision based on that. That doesn’t mean I won’t change my mind at some point (the practice becomes less and less forgivable as more time passes), but for the moment I don’t find “lack of posting” to be a strong enough reason for a vote, since there are people who \*have \*posted things that I find suspicious. FTR, I am a “he”. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/632 "2010-08-16T15:31:46Z")
Request for the future–please take the weekend off. 😉 > [@Chronos](#): > > And besides, we’re not all in the Fellowship, since there’s more than nine of us. > [@Gadarene](#): > > Does anyone have a name that _doesn’t_ follow canon? This makes me think of an interesting idea. I expect everyone has a name in the LoTR canon. (I will certainly vote for anyone who claims a non-canon name.) Not a useful piece of information. However, not all townies are members (unless this game is balanced very strangely) of the canonical Fellowship: Frodo, Sam, Merry, Pippin, Aragorn, Boromir, Legolas, Gimli, and Gandalf. Might it be useful if everyone makes a claim “yes I am a member of the canonical Fellowship” or “no I am not a member of the canonical Fellowship”? Advantages I can think of are giving us more or less confirmed townies, assuming exactly nine claim. It wouldn’t be certain, because of the questionable Boromir, but it would give us a group of more likely town. Heck, we could even say the Boromir should claim straight out. The other advantage, which is slight, is it prevents scum from later claiming one of the names. But I don’t think they’re likely to anyway. The disadvantages are that scum may be looking for specific members of town, and likely specific members of the Fellowship. That seems like a very high risk to me. Personally, I think it is too risky for a yes/no in the Fellowship claim. But I’m not one to suppress an idea simply because I’m not certain it’s useful. Perhaps I am overlooking some important benefit. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/633 "2010-08-16T15:38:04Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > /Snipped > I understand it’s Day 1 and your first game but what’s up with this? You voted **USCDiver** based on the case presented by **Chronos** which makes the assumption that **USCDiver** is scum with access to a sample PM. You then unvote based on a comment made by **USCDiver** 300 posts earlier which seems town to you - which happens to be the post others are voting him for. > > If you were happy to vote for him based on the assumption that he had access to a sample PM, why are you now happy to unvote him because he used information plausibly from that same sample PM to further the handshake effort? Something’s not right here. I found Chronos’ case against USCDiver compelling, so I voted for USCDiver. Let me repost it here: > [@Chronos](#): > > And I’m still not sure about USCDiver. He claims that his role PM agrees with the handshakes given by special ed, Wanderers, and Meeko. Could you three please confirm or deny his own handshake (four Ds in the last section)? I’m also still uneasy about him saying that he agreed with “all”, when even in Telcontar’s post there were already some inconsistent ones (Gadarene disagreeing with Wanderers and Hoopy Frood on the number of Ys). > > The scenario I’m seeing: There are multiple different Town PMs, but the Scum don’t know that, having only one sample of the vanilla PM (or all of the samples they have are the same format). Scummy USCDiver sees that handshaking is going on, and since he knows that everyone who’s shook is being honest (either they’re not on his team, and so assumed honest, or they’re reading from the same sample PM he is), he says that his agrees with all of them, without actually bothering to check. This is a mistake that I think a Scum would be more likely to make than a Townie, since a Townie would not know whether previous shakes were honest, and would be looking for inconsistencies in the hope of finding a Scum. > > Between his ignoring of Gadarene’s handshake, and the implausibility of his, ed’s, Wanderers’, and Meeko’s PMs all happening to be the same when the evidence is that there seem to be multiple variations, I’m comfortable with > > Vote USCDiver When I read it, I paid most attention to the paragraph starting with “The scenario I’m seeing.” I missed the part asking folks to verify his 4 Ds. So later, I went back to check out the post in question (I can’t just blindly trust Chronos, after all) and saw that USCDiver did, in fact, make an effort to add to the handshaking business. Bam, unvote, although it still seems sketchy to me. The funny thing is, I almost missed Chronos mentioning the handshakes AGAIN as I was writing this response. I’m not sure what it is about that particular sentence that makes it so invisible to me. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/634 "2010-08-16T15:40:43Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I still don’t understand what seems to be a wide-held opinion that we can discount anything/everything peeker says, because he’s just “being himself”. I couldn’t care less whether he’s being himself, or if he’s acting completely out of character. I voted for peeker because I didn’t like the content of what he posted _ **in this thread** _. Maybe if I had played a number of gamed with him I might have a different opinion. But since I don’t have the benefit of history, I’m not using that to base my opinions. \ what is it that i have posted that makes you convinced i am scum and deserving a vote? or is it just that i post too much? now if it’s because the volume of posting i fail to see why voting someone for posting too much is such a heinous offense that they get a vote. but you don’t want to vote for lurkers because posting volume doesn’t seem to indicate anything, right? oh shit, except in my case. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/635 "2010-08-16T15:41:50Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Request for the future–please take the weekend off. 😉 > > > [@Chronos](#): > > > > And besides, we’re not all in the Fellowship, since there’s more than nine of us. > > > [@Gadarene](#): > > > > Does anyone have a name that _doesn’t_ follow canon? > > This makes me think of an interesting idea. I expect everyone has a name in the LoTR canon. (I will certainly vote for anyone who claims a non-canon name.) Not a useful piece of information. > > However, not all townies are members (unless this game is balanced very strangely) of the canonical Fellowship: Frodo, Sam, Merry, Pippin, Aragorn, Boromir, Legolas, Gimli, and Gandalf. Might it be useful if everyone makes a claim “yes I am a member of the canonical Fellowship” or “no I am not a member of the canonical Fellowship”? > > Advantages I can think of are giving us more or less confirmed townies, assuming exactly nine claim. It wouldn’t be certain, because of the questionable Boromir, but it would give us a group of more likely town. Heck, we could even say the Boromir should claim straight out. The other advantage, which is slight, is it prevents scum from later claiming one of the names. But I don’t think they’re likely to anyway. > > The disadvantages are that scum may be looking for specific members of town, and likely specific members of the Fellowship. That seems like a very high risk to me. > > Personally, I think it is too risky for a yes/no in the Fellowship claim. But I’m not one to suppress an idea simply because I’m not certain it’s useful. Perhaps I am overlooking some important benefit. Why is everyone in this game so quick to suggest name claims? I can’t see this going well for more reasons than you suggest. And why is it that you admit that you’re “not certain it’s useful” when you’ve repeatedly claimed a power role of your own? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/636 "2010-08-16T15:54:11Z")
In case there’s still any ambiguity, yes, the “one person trying to kill me” was in reference to **special ed** voting for me. **Pleonast** , I think claiming Fellowship or not would only be useful if there were a good chance that all nine of the Fellowship are in the game, but I think that’s fairly unlikely. Compare the last game, Harry Potter, where Ron Weasley (who’s one of the top three or five most important characters in the books) was not in the game at all (not even as a cover name). A moderator who’s willing to leave out a character that important probably isn’t going to include all of the Nine, either. The drawback, however, will still apply whether all of the Fellowship are here or not. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/637 "2010-08-16T15:58:01Z")
**Astral Rejection** , the bit in **USCDiver** ’s post about asking folks to confirm four Ds only means anything if other folks do in fact confirm four Ds. That’s why I asked for confirmation from the folks whose handshakes he said he agreed with. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/638 "2010-08-16T15:58:51Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > what is it that i have posted that makes you convinced i am scum and deserving a vote? > > or is it just that i post too much? now if it’s because the volume of posting i fail to see why voting someone for posting too much is such a heinous offense that they get a vote. > > but you don’t want to vote for lurkers because posting volume doesn’t seem to indicate anything, right? > > oh shit, except in my case. It’s not the quantity, it’s the quality. Too many of your posts don’t contribute anything to the discussion. I’m at work at the moment so I don’t have time to go back over each of your almost 100 posts (since the beginning of Night 0) in detail at the moment, but the large number of ‘throwaway’ posts is distracting to me. And I figure that anyone who is deliberately causing distractions is likely up to no good. I admit, it’s not the strongest argument ever put forth, but it’s only Day 1. There’s not a whole lot of iron-clad evidence to go on at this point. If and when someone makes a stronger case, I’ll gladly change my vote. With almost 3 full days left until lynching, I’m not too concerned about it yet. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/639 "2010-08-16T15:59:55Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > Millers should never claim on their own. Even in a mass claim, there better off just claiming vanilla. As long as they aren’t investigated, they are vanilla town. If they do claim, they have to be lynched. Because to do otherwise is to let scum get away with a miller claim. > > Never claim if you are a miller. It’s pointless and guarantees a mislynch. I disagree. I used to think that a Miller claim, early in the game, was wrong because it shrunk the pool of VTs for a town power to hide in. I think it’s best for all that a Miller (if known) should claim right off the bat. Reasons being: [ul]they will only muddy the water for Investigators [li]if scum tried to claim as Miller they are basically giving up, because town would and should lynch them at the next opportunity. (Unless a bigger fish reveals itself.)[/ul][/li][/QUOTE] Big deal, if they muddy the water for investigators. That’s figured into balance, just as the godfather is. They only muddy the water if they are investigated, and if they are, they burn an investigation and get mislynched. That’s slightly worse than the simple mislynch that is guaranteed if they claim. However, if they don’t claim, they could be nightkilled, which considerably better than the mislynch if they claim. They also could make it to end game, which is considerably better than the mislynch if they claim. They also keep town powers hidden longer, as you mentioned, but that’s largely irrelevant. The point is, their claim guarantees a mislynch. A mislynch that town has to eat. Millers shouldn’t claim if they aren’t under lynch pressure, and claiming if they are is pointless anyway. So Millers should just try to play their role as if they weren’t a Miller. > [@Gadarene](#): > > As for post #470, I stand by my question there. I still believe it would benefit Town for **Chronos** to name the role he claims to know about, and to my recollection nobody has identified any downside (at most, a few posters have said that they think it’s pointless because it would neither benefit nor hurt us). I agree, which is why I mentioned earlier that I think Chronos should give the role-name as well. I disagree with Ed’s paranoia about the name being revealed making the player of that name particularly vulnerable, after all, if Chronos is telling the truth, he already knows who that player is. If he’s not, well, that player has full ability to decide on his own if he wants to reveal who he is. Now, it’s true that I misunderstood that Chronos only thinks its a half-masonry, since he has no confirmation that the role is town, but if Chronos is town, why would he have been given a player/role combo name with no indication of what it meant? This isn’t rhetorical, there would have to have been a reason, otherwise the mod is intentionally generating noise. So it could be that our true role names are canon-oriented, and that player is definitely town, or it could be that the name was given for another reason that will become more important as the game goes on. Regardless, it’s a piece of information that only Chronos has access to right now. Suburban Plankton thinks it’ll just add to the noise so we should not reveal it. I find this odd, extremely so. So for now: **vote suburban plankton** How is adding a piece of information whose purpose is not yet known, but whose drawbacks seem to be overplayed, a fact which you agree with, a bad thing? How is it noise? It’s one piece of information that is (potentially) mod supplied and uniquely given to only one player. The handshaking was a wash, and while in the end turned out be likley noise, it had useful reasons behind it. You didn’t seem to oppose that, and it took up much more space than the one post it’ll take Chronos to reveal his name. Because if Chronos dies, we will never get that info. And that info, while minor at this point, could be significant later. And a Doctor would be foolish to burn a protection on Chronos at night, since we don’t even know if we can trust him, and his info is probably less important than a Dcotor self-protecting at this point. So I think Chronos should give the role, but not the player. The “it’s just adding to noise” position is just ridiculous, and Ed’s paranoia, while understandable, seems to be much ado about nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/640 "2010-08-16T16:07:08Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > **Astral Rejection** , the bit in **USCDiver** ’s post about asking folks to confirm four Ds only means anything if other folks do in fact confirm four Ds. That’s why I asked for confirmation from the folks whose handshakes he said he agreed with. I understand that now. At the time I made my vote, though, I didn’t remember that he had added anything to the conversation. When I checked, I saw that he had volunteered new information, and that was enough for me to rescind my vote. It’s three days before the end of Day 1; my votes should be moving around a bit as I see new scumminess anyway! > [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > So I think Chronos should give the role, but not the player. The “it’s just adding to noise” position is just ridiculous, and Ed’s paranoia, while understandable, seems to be much ado about nothing. Hoopy, if you don’t mind my asking, why is Suburban Plankton more suspicious to you than Chronos? Chronos is just as reluctant to give up the name, for many of the same reasons. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=33)