# Lord of the Rings Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 10, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867 "2010-08-10T19:56:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 49
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/961 "2010-08-18T20:55:16Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Never mind. He answered me. And I am expressly forbidden from acting how I wanted to. Ya’ll will have to wait for the spoilers. Yay magic bags! If you weren’t swinging already, you’d probably swing for that. I just want to reaffirm that I’m in favor of giving **suburban a night to see what he does, but I don’t actually trust him. I also don’t trust peeker or Gadarene** (and will be very worried about the latter if **suburban** turns out to be town). So, Ed, we at least have some suspicions in common. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/962 "2010-08-18T20:56:24Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > > [@special\_ed](#): > > > > Unvote: Whoever, was it peeper? > > Vote: Suburban > > > > When I flip Town, remember my suspcion of peeper despite the fact that it was purely metagamey. > > > > Also, please don’t let Astral or others get away with "because I don’t understand or assume I understand and am proven wrong= you must be scummy. > > > > Oh, and if I live until the Night, maybe someone can post that fact in real big and bold letters letting me know. That way I’ll see it when I skim. > > > > kthxbye > > **ed** this irks me. i understand your frustration. but shit if you are cashing it in i’ll move my vote back in a sam hill minute. you pulled a boner. you got called on it and generated some votes. and to be totally frank i still am a little confused if you get the scum mvp as a town or scum. > > let’s just play for god’s sake. Oh, I’ll play. Is there anything back there really worth reading? and answer me this, was I mistaken in my claim that almost everything that Astral had accused me of was either factually or logically incorrect? I did concede to the fact that there may have been pro-Scum motivation in initiating a handshake attempt. In regards to what I’m forbidden from discussing…well, I’m forbidden from discussing that. Though, I do hope I won’t be mod killed for mentioning that I can’t mention something. Though, maybe that wouldn’t be a bad idea…then we could kill both me and Suburban. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/963 "2010-08-18T20:56:26Z")
**Please bleach votes when you quote them, everyone.** ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/964 "2010-08-18T21:00:58Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > **Please bleach votes when you quote them, everyone.** Since you asked nicely, maybe. I’m still mad at you. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/965 "2010-08-18T21:02:03Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > \*\*Vote Count: > > Suburban(7): Oredigger, Cucuy, Nanook, RedSkeezix, Gadarene, Peeker, Specialed > > USCDiver(1): Drainbead, > > Peeker(1): Natlaw > > Astral(2): OneandOnly, USCDiver > > Pleonast(2): Meeko, Suburban > > SpecialEd(4): Astral, Chronos, Telcontar, MHaye > > MHaye(1): Pleonast > \*\* I believe \*\*GuiriEnEspaña \*\*has a vote against ed (Post 878), unless it was retracted and I missed it. Sorry, I’ve kinda got a special interest in making sure the vote count is accurate 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/966 "2010-08-18T21:02:30Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > it’s gastard to drastically change how an **uniformed** town can strategize. This also applies to the naked Townies as well. (Yes that should read “uninformed” not “uniformed”.) :smack: ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/967 "2010-08-18T21:02:42Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > > [@special\_ed](#): > > > > Never mind. He answered me. And I am expressly forbidden from acting how I wanted to. Ya’ll will have to wait for the spoilers. > > Yay magic bags! If you weren’t swinging already, you’d probably swing for that. > > I just want to reaffirm that I’m in favor of giving **suburban a night to see what he does, but I don’t actually trust him. I also don’t trust peeker or Gadarene** (and will be very worried about the latter if **suburban** turns out to be town). So, Ed, we at least have some suspicions in common. It’s not really a magic bag, because, I promise I won’t reveal to you what I know. Ever. Well, at least during the game. I will tell you this, however. My role PM as posted is accurate. I am not Glorfindel. I am Faramir. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/968 "2010-08-18T21:03:19Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > I also don’t trust **peeker** or\*\* Gadarene\*\* (and will be very worried about the latter if **suburban** turns out to be town). [snipped] Any particular reasons? You’re actually one of the folks I most trust thus far, to the extent that I trust anybody. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/969 "2010-08-18T21:04:10Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > \*\*Vote Count: > > Suburban(7): Oredigger, Cucuy, Nanook, RedSkeezix, Gadarene, Peeker, Specialed > > USCDiver(1): Drainbead, > > Peeker(1): Natlaw > > Astral(2): OneandOnly, USCDiver > > Pleonast(2): Meeko, Suburban > > SpecialEd(4): Astral, Chronos, Telcontar, MHaye > > MHaye(1): Pleonast > \*\* **Mahaloth, you appear to have omitted Guiri’s vote for Special Ed in [post=12814241]post 878[/post]**. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/970 "2010-08-18T21:08:30Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > > [@Telcontar](#): > > > > Yay magic bags! If you weren’t swinging already, you’d probably swing for that. > > > > I just want to reaffirm that I’m in favor of giving **suburban a night to see what he does, but I don’t actually trust him. I also don’t trust peeker or Gadarene** (and will be very worried about the latter if **suburban** turns out to be town). So, Ed, we at least have some suspicions in common. > > It’s not really a magic bag, because, I promise I won’t reveal to you what I know. Ever. Well, at least during the game. > > I will tell you this, however. My role PM as posted is accurate. > > I am not Glorfindel. > > I am Faramir. What was the Glorfindel thing? Did I miss something? And why can’t you reveal what you know? Is it role-related, or mod-slip related? Or can’t you even say that much? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/971 "2010-08-18T21:09:34Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > **ed** this irks me. i understand your frustration. but shit if you are cashing it in i’ll move my vote back in a sam hill minute. you pulled a boner. you got called on it and generated some votes. and to be totally frank i still am a little confused if you get the scum mvp as a town or scum. > > > > let’s just play for god’s sake. > > Oh, I’ll play. Is there anything back there really worth reading? > > and answer me this, was I mistaken in my claim that almost everything that Astral had accused me of was either factually or logically incorrect? > > I did concede to the fact that there may have been pro-Scum motivation in initiating a handshake attempt. > In regards to what I’m forbidden from discussing…well, I’m forbidden from discussing that. Though, I do hope I won’t be mod killed for mentioning that I can’t mention something. Though, maybe that wouldn’t be a bad idea…then we could kill both me and Suburban. oh for fuck’s sake don’t be obtuse. only i am allowed to try and break games fcs. anyone with a lick of sense knew what you were doing. my problem was that with **maha**. **story** and **sach** modding you had to figure that they were not going to let that shit occur. so either you were banking on those souls being dumb as stumps (which i doubt) or you were pulling a half ass scum tactic. the fact that we got a lot of participants speaks to the potential scum benefit of this action. i don’t think town gained shit. and now you pull this other shit out of your ass. what the heck are people supposed to think? don’t lynch poor little me. i am just trying real hard. oh, i have some other stuff i need to bring up. well, fucking bring it up. i mean you aren’t doing town shit for now so who the hell would care if it results in a mod kill. unless it is game breaking, then please just let it go. kthnxbye. p.s. and i need to keep posting this so people know: i like **ed**. he plays the game markedly different from me but if he had a car wreck and was on fire by the side of the road i’d let my dog piss on him to put him out. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/972 "2010-08-18T21:10:56Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > What was the Glorfindel thing? Did I miss something? Nevermind. I found the post where you mentioned it. (I.e. how the vanilla PM you posted could apply to just about anyone like Merry or Glorfindel.) ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/973 "2010-08-18T21:10:57Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > Mahaloth, you appear to have omitted Guiri’s vote for Special Ed in [post=12814241]post 878[/post]. Thanks for pointing that out properly. Maybe one of these days I’ll remember to use proper formatting. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/974 "2010-08-18T21:13:12Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > > [@special\_ed](#): > > > > It’s not really a magic bag, because, I promise I won’t reveal to you what I know. Ever. Well, at least during the game. > > > > I will tell you this, however. My role PM as posted is accurate. > > > > I am not Glorfindel. > > > > I am Faramir. > > What was the Glorfindel thing? Did I miss something? > > And why can’t you reveal what you know? Is it role-related, or mod-slip related? Or can’t you even say that much? I suppose I can tell you that it is not role related. And no, in regards to not being Glorfindel, you did not miss anything. I would distrust anyone claiming to be Glorfindel, however you have no reason to. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/975 "2010-08-18T21:14:41Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > well, fucking bring it up. i mean you aren’t doing town shit for now so who the hell would care if it results in a mod kill. unless it is game breaking, then please just let it go. I did bring it up. I just can’t actually say it. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/976 "2010-08-18T21:15:31Z")
It is worth considering, as **MHaye** pointed out, that Saruman had a Palantir, too, so **Plankton** ’s PM might just be a slight change to Saruman’s. But I would have expected Saruman to have a Godfather-type power: Despite the Godfather typically being the nominal leader of the Scum team, it would be going directly against canon for Third-Age Sauron to have a power like that. Then again, the important question is just whether **Plankton** (or any other given player) is Scum or not, not which particular Scum he is. If he’s Sauron, or Saruman, or Third Orc from the Left, he still needs to die. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/977 "2010-08-18T21:15:57Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > > [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > > > What was the Glorfindel thing? Did I miss something? > > Nevermind. I found the post where you mentioned it. (I.e. how the vanilla PM you posted could apply to just about anyone like Merry or Glorfindel.) True, I’m not Merry either, but it’s quite possible that someone else is. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/978 "2010-08-18T21:23:42Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > well, fucking bring it up. i mean you aren’t doing town shit for now so who the hell would care if it results in a mod kill. unless it is game breaking, then please just let it go. > > I did bring it up. I just can’t actually say it. sometimes older brothers just need to hit their younger brother in the fucking head. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/979 "2010-08-18T21:26:23Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > > [@special\_ed](#): > > > > I did bring it up. I just can’t actually say it. > > sometimes older brothers just need to hit their younger brother in the fucking head. How old are you? And would it be OK if I kicked you instead? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/980 "2010-08-18T21:27:08Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > When I flip Town, remember my suspcion of peeper despite the fact that it was purely metagamey. > > Also, please don’t let Astral or others get away with "because I don’t understand or assume I understand and am proven wrong= you must be scummy. I’m not going to get away with anything. **If you flip town** , I’d better hope the town takes a good hard look at my motivation, and that of everyone else who voted for you. I made the first big case against you, and I was wrong about some of my suppositions. But I don’t like how you’ve responded to my posts, and your petulant posts now aren’t changing my mind. > [@special\_ed](#): > > > [@Chronos](#): > > > > Wait, what? I can’t think of any innocent way to interpret this. > > Yes, this is obviously yet another rock solid indication that I am Scum. > > You are too smart for me. > > @Astral, yes, that is both snark and sarcasm Noted. This is still just a game, one that I’m getting a feel for. I’m genuinely sorry that you’re taking my case against you personally, especially given that I did make some mistakes. > [@Telcontar](#): > > > [@special\_ed](#): > > > > Never mind. He answered me. And I am expressly forbidden from acting how I wanted to. Ya’ll will have to wait for the spoilers. > > Yay magic bags! If you weren’t swinging already, you’d probably swing for that. > > I just want to reaffirm that I’m in favor of giving **suburban a night to see what he does, but I don’t actually trust him. I also don’t trust peeker or Gadarene** (and will be very worried about the latter if **suburban** turns out to be town). So, Ed, we at least have some suspicions in common. I agree with Telcontar on all points. I’m in favor of giving SP a night or two to see what he does. I similarly don’t trust him. And I absolutely agree that Ed’s claim comes from nowhere, given that he claimed vanilla. What secrets could he have? > [@special\_ed](#): > > Oh, I’ll play. Is there anything back there really worth reading? > > and answer me this, was I mistaken in my claim that almost everything that Astral had accused me of was either factually or logically incorrect? > > I did concede to the fact that there may have been pro-Scum motivation in initiating a handshake attempt. You were mistaken. I was wrong about some things, but you were wrong about others. And your responses haven’t sat right with me, for reasons I and others have pointed out. > [@special\_ed](#): > > I am Faramir. I’m sorry if you’re actually Faramir. But I don’t believe this claim, and I do believe that your actions are scummy. You’ve been playing in a very anti-town way, and I see most of your motivations as pointing to scum. I’m not going to couch my suspicion in wiggle terms so I can distance myself from it later. I fully believe you’ll flip scum if you’re lynched. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=48) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=50)