# Lord of the Rings Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 10, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867 "2010-08-10T19:56:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1041 "2010-08-19T00:40:05Z")
> [@Chipacabra](#): > > > [@special\_ed](#): > > > > Does it look like this data might support an accusation that we were tending toward ‘lynch the loud’? > > > > \*\*Posts/ Name/ Votes > > > > \*\* 167 Peeker (2): > > 147 SpecialEd(3): > > 110 Gadarene > > 72 Chronos (1) > > 53 Suburban(8): > > 53 Pleonast(2): > > 47 HoopyFrood > > 47 Astral(2): > > 44 Red Skeezix > > 26 Telcontar > > 25 Meeko > > 24 Chipacabra > > 21 USCDiver(2): > > 21 Cucuy > > 19 Guiri > > 18 MHaye > > 17 OneandOnly > > 16 Normal Phase/Inner Stickler > > 12 Drain Bead > > 11 Natlaw > > 9 Oredigger > > 8 NanooktheNorthShore > > 6 LittlePlasticNinja > > Um. No? Not really. Those numbers, _combined with the actual vote justifications_ look like an attempt to obfuscate things. As a group, it looks more like lynch the slightly-above-mean-and-also-peeker. OK, but I do find it interesting that 8 out of the top 10 players were receiving votes. and only 1 out of the bottom 15 were. ---
**Author:** ![Chipacabra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@Chipacabra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chipacabra)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1042 "2010-08-19T00:42:54Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > > [@Chipacabra](#): > > > > I don’t think Ed was trying to draw out VTs. I think he was trying to draw out power roles. I just hope there really is more than one phrasing for the VT condition, and that the discrepancies we saw weren’t our power roles waving big stab me flags. > > What do you mean “VT condition”? As far as I know everyone who’s said anything about it has the same win condition, including **Chronos** , who’s a claimed power role. > > (And we still have no one stepping up to claim a role PM that looks remotely like **Suburban Plankton’s**. Hmmm, I wonder why that could possibly be!) Sloppy phrasing. I just mean the entire VT role message. And I can think of lots of reasons for that to be. Most of them are consistent with what I’ve said so far. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1043 "2010-08-19T00:43:24Z")
> [@Chipacabra](#): > > I don’t think Ed was trying to draw out VTs. I think he was trying to draw out power roles. I just hope there really is more than one phrasing for the VT condition, and that the discrepancies we saw weren’t our power roles waving big stab me flags. So, you think that there’s more than 1 phrasing for the Vanilla Win Condition? despite the fact that many have agreed to the win condition that Chronos stated. And despite the fact that no one countered that it wasn’t the win condition. And despite the fact that I corroborated it and still no one has argued against it? No, I must obviously be missing your point. I get the fact that it’s possible that I could have been Scum trying to out the Vanilla to find the non-Vanilla. But what does that have to do with more than 1 Vanilla Role PM? And why does that concept keep coming up? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1044 "2010-08-19T00:46:34Z")
@Chip, then you can explain why not one single solitary Vanilla has stepped forward to claim that my Vanilla Role PM does not match theirs? I mean, surely I’m lynch worthy if I posted such a bland role PM that could apply to any character (Glorfindel or Farimir…OK, maybe not Glorfindel). What makes you think, nay, hope that there’s more than 1 Vanilla Role PM? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1045 "2010-08-19T00:48:45Z")
A question not directly related to any of the current topics of discussion, but one that’s been on my mind for a while now: **Mahaloth, is there any plan in the works to replace Little Plastic Ninja (perhaps at the end of Day 1)? His/her last post in this thread was last Thursday afternoon, and it looks like their last post anywhere on the SDMB was late that same night.** ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1046 "2010-08-19T00:49:04Z")
> [@Chipacabra](#): > > > [@Gadarene](#): > > > > (And we still have no one stepping up to claim a role PM that looks remotely like **Suburban Plankton’s**. Hmmm, I wonder why that could possibly be!) > > And I can think of lots of reasons for that to be. Most of them are consistent with what I’ve said so far. [snipped] Please do elucidate, sirrah. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1047 "2010-08-19T00:52:10Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > and scum cake walked that one Might have had something to do with the fact that it was grossly unbalanced against town. I mean, 2 mislynches and town loses in a 24 player game? Even with almost all the remaining scum pegged? And poisoning via fluff? WTF? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1048 "2010-08-19T00:54:25Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > ok, let’s not make this easy. > > > > unvote > > > > vote chipa > > > > the more i read that post the more it sounds like scum just playing it straight down the middle on a mislynch. now that certainly does not exonerate the other candidates, but let’s see if we get a leader under our belt. especially one that is playing on the low end of participation. kind of right where i would expect scum to try and hide. > > This is a crappy vote. Your voting record in this game even more vacuous than your posting record. You announced a “vote for lurkers” strategy early on, which apparently justified your not taking a stand on anything. Then after taking your turn with both \*\*ed \*\*and I, you’re off on a completely different target? Take a stand, man! > > Vote for ed. vote for me. I don’t care. Just express a opinion. What are you afraid of? ok, let’s make this easy for you and everyone else. when i get focused on someone that person typically is all i am looking at. weakness, i know. i was really looking at **ed** and was focused on him. his play was anti town. it was, in my opinion, short sighted from a town stand point. and this is total meta game. but when **chronos** started to semi agree with me that made me nervous as heck. i don’t get along well with **chronos** in these games either (although he seems like a nice enough folk and someone i would like to talk physics about over a diet coke). and then **chippy** chimes in with his/her (?) comment. that just didn’t ring true. i think **pleo** ’s soft claim was shit but not enough to warrant a vote, yet. i think that **chronos** doing his half ass mason claim is shit. i think that others doing the same thing is a bunch of non town oriented crap. i think that folks posting portiions of their pms is very anti town and only helps scum. the problem is that i can’t vote for eight or ten folks so i am going to go for the one on the top of my list. although i may yte very well just move it to a lurker as a policy vote before the Day ends. what the hell more do you want from me? jeebus ask someone like **natlaw** who has been barely participatory thus far. but shit, that would be too easy. fucking lynch the loud. why the fuck do you hold me to a different standard than the rest of the players. fuck, i am at least trying. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1049 "2010-08-19T00:56:59Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > > [@Telcontar](#): > > > > On suburban: We’re pretty much assuming that the scum have cover roles and vanilla role PMs. So, if he were faking a power role claim, why would he do it badly? It’s more food for thought than anything else. > > How can we assume they were given full cover roles, including powers? > > Rarely are scum given that. > > Typically they are given the vanilla PM, and a series of roles that aren’t in the game. > > From that, it’s up to them to craft the powers as they see fit. Occasionally mods will give color, to prevent disection of roles where people try to match writing styles. And I’ve even seen mutiple mod games have each mod randomly choose which roles they write just to shake things up. But this isn’t a multiple modded game, story and sach just helped balance, according to Mahaloth. It’s possible they helped write the roles, but I doubt it. > > And he might do it badly because scum might not have had adequate time to craft good cover roles. Typically if town can’t strategize at night, scum can’t do so during the day, because it gives them a noticeable advantage to be able to do so. So, hoppy, take another look at my post. I said that it was likely the scum had access to the vanilla role pm and safe names. If I wanted to modify the vanilla role PM to create a power role I would…expand the powers section. Personally I’m reluctant to psychoanalyze the mod in the hopes of identifying decoding whether the PM is valid (I noted all the problems others have IDed on first reading). My argument stands: We can kill him tomorrow. If he’s town, scum have to at least waste a roleblock on him. If he’s scum, we’re certainly not going to blindly believe his report, and that’s the only real danger. I see no advantage to killing a claimed power role right now. The case against Ed stands independent of the case against suburban, and I’m comfortable with that. I have some RL stuff to deal with. Good luck everyone. We’ll certainly know more by Dawn. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1050 "2010-08-19T00:58:53Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > and scum cake walked that one > > Might have had something to do with the fact that it was grossly unbalanced against town. I mean, 2 mislynches and town loses in a 24 player game? Even with almost all the remaining scum pegged? And poisoning via fluff? WTF? i didn’t design the game, merely played it is all. shoot just because you get pocket rockets three times in a row doesn’t mean that you fold just to make it “fair” fuck, you of all people know that, **hoopy**. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1051 "2010-08-19T00:59:22Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > and scum cake walked that one > > Might have had something to do with the fact that it was grossly unbalanced against town. I mean, 2 mislynches and town loses in a 24 player game? Even with almost all the remaining scum pegged? And poisoning via fluff? WTF? and just think how bad it could have been if the masons didn’t claim on Day 1 and we were able to kill both of the real ones on Night 1. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1052 "2010-08-19T01:03:47Z")
and who in the world did i poison via fluff? ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1053 "2010-08-19T01:03:48Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Then after taking your turn with both \*\*ed \*\*and I, you’re off on a completely different target? Take a stand, man! > > Vote for ed. vote for me. I don’t care. Just express a opinion. What are you afraid of? Why doesn’t the same apply to me? I took a turn with Chronos and then you and then was off on a completely different target. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1054 "2010-08-19T01:06:09Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > So, hoppy, Goddammit, get my name right! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1055 "2010-08-19T01:06:41Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > and who in the world did i poison via fluff? Didn’t we kill sinjin via poison? ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1056 "2010-08-19T01:09:19Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > and who in the world did i poison via fluff? Your poisoner and the mod. See, Sinjin ordered a drink from the virtual bar. Well, apparently ped thought it would be amusing to add a mechanic to what was a regular fluff tradition that the scum poisoner could literally poison the drinks in the bar. So scum got a nice unblockable bonus kill that night, from fluff. On top of the poisoner having other bonus kills as well. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1057 "2010-08-19T01:09:43Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > and who in the world did i poison via fluff? > > Didn’t we kill sinjin via poison? well that was a different game and a mechanic that i was not comfortable with. but shoot you kills with what you gots. but yeh, we clobbered 'em on fluff in the Night thread. 'course they were so wore out with wiki and gettysburg that even i was ready for a damn drink. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1058 "2010-08-19T01:09:57Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > OK, but I do find it interesting that 8 out of the top 10 players were receiving votes. and only 1 out of the bottom 15 were. Why do you find that so interesting? Other than **peeker** ’s “lynch the lurkers” initiative, all of the voting has been done based on what people have posted. So the people who have posted the most have the most content to be examined and found suspect. Thus, they received the most votes. Squeaky wheels and all that… The biggest exception to this rule at this point is **Chipacabra** , who made the mistake coming in this afternoon and trying to summarize the last 300 posts in a couple paragraphs, and picked up a couple quick votes that way. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1059 "2010-08-19T01:10:36Z")
And I never said you were the poisoner. I forget which of you was, and I can’t be arsed to look right now. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1060 "2010-08-19T01:10:50Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > > [@special\_ed](#): > > > > Didn’t we kill sinjin via poison? > > well that was a different game and a mechanic that i was not comfortable with. but shoot you kills with what you gots. > > but yeh, we clobbered 'em on fluff in the Night thread. 'course they were so wore out with wiki and gettysburg that even i was ready for a damn drink. Man, that does not sound like a fun game _at all_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=52) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=54)