# Lord of the Rings Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 10, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867 "2010-08-10T19:56:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1061 "2010-08-19T01:11:22Z")
ok, fuck i thought we were talking about this durn game. jeebus, **peek** get it into gear. just a little bit of time left in this Day. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1062 "2010-08-19T01:13:48Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > well that was a different game and a mechanic that i was not comfortable with. but shoot you kills with what you gots. > > > > but yeh, we clobbered 'em on fluff in the Night thread. 'course they were so wore out with wiki and gettysburg that even i was ready for a damn drink. > > Man, that does not sound like a fun game _at all_. It wasn’t. Town had lost that game by Dawn of Day 3. We just hadn’t realized it yet. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1063 "2010-08-19T01:15:01Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > > [@Telcontar](#): > > > > So, hoppy, > > Goddammit, get my name right! 😉 **hoppy**. it just means they love you. **peep** ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1064 "2010-08-19T01:15:51Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > > [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > > > Goddammit, get my name right! 😉 > > **hoppy**. it just means they love you. > > **peep** **gaderene** approves. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1065 "2010-08-19T01:16:14Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > > [@Gadarene](#): > > > > Man, that does not sound like a fun game _at all_. > > It wasn’t. Town had lost that game by Dawn of Day 3. We just hadn’t realized it yet. well you were playing against the best. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1066 "2010-08-19T01:18:06Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > **hoppy**. it just means they love you. > > > > **peep** > > **gaderene** approves. stop this shit **gaderine**. otherwise the post patrol will throw us all in the clink. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1067 "2010-08-19T01:19:42Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > > [@special\_ed](#): > > > > OK, but I do find it interesting that 8 out of the top 10 players were receiving votes. and only 1 out of the bottom 15 were. > > Why do you find that so interesting? Other than **peeker** ’s “lynch the lurkers” initiative, all of the voting has been done based on what people have posted. So the people who have posted the most have the most content to be examined and found suspect. Thus, they received the most votes. Squeaky wheels and all that… Exactly my point. We have a habit of lynching the loud. Someone who posts a lot probably says things that may be somewhat suspicious and it’s easy to vote that way. I suppose it’s almost inevitable on Day 1, but I think we need to be more careful And see, my mentioning it (albeit out of frustration) brings attention to it, and maybe we’ll be a little more aware. Not a bad thing at all. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1068 "2010-08-19T01:21:42Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > > > Why do you find that so interesting? Other than **peeker** ’s “lynch the lurkers” initiative, all of the voting has been done based on what people have posted. So the people who have posted the most have the most content to be examined and found suspect. Thus, they received the most votes. Squeaky wheels and all that… > > Exactly my point. We have a habit of lynching the loud. Someone who posts a lot probably says things that may be somewhat suspicious and it’s easy to vote that way. > > I suppose it’s almost inevitable on Day 1, but I think we need to be more careful > > And see, my mentioning it (albeit out of frustration) brings attention to it, and maybe we’ll be a little more aware. Not a bad thing at all. Maybe I shouldn’t have found it interesting. Maybe I should have just blithely continued playing without trying to analyze our approach to the game or comment n it. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1069 "2010-08-19T01:26:57Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > > > This is a crappy vote. Your voting record in this game even more vacuous than your posting record. You announced a “vote for lurkers” strategy early on, which apparently justified your not taking a stand on anything. Then after taking your turn with both \*\*ed \*\*and I, you’re off on a completely different target? Take a stand, man! > > > > Vote for ed. vote for me. I don’t care. Just express a opinion. What are you afraid of? > > ok, let’s make this easy for you and everyone else. when i get focused on someone that person typically is all i am looking at. weakness, i know. > > i was really looking at **ed** and was focused on him. his play was anti town. it was, in my opinion, short sighted from a town stand point. > > and this is total meta game. but when **chronos** started to semi agree with me that made me nervous as heck. i don’t get along well with **chronos** in these games either (although he seems like a nice enough folk and someone i would like to talk physics about over a diet coke). and then **chippy** chimes in with his/her (?) comment. that just didn’t ring true. > > i think **pleo** ’s soft claim was shit but not enough to warrant a vote, yet. i think that **chronos** doing his half ass mason claim is shit. i think that others doing the same thing is a bunch of non town oriented crap. i think that folks posting portiions of their pms is very anti town and only helps scum. the problem is that i can’t vote for eight or ten folks so i am going to go for the one on the top of my list. although i may yte very well just move it to a lurker as a policy vote before the Day ends. > > what the hell more do you want from me? jeebus ask someone like **natlaw** who has been barely participatory thus far. but shit, that would be too easy. > > fucking lynch the loud. > > why the fuck do you hold me to a different standard than the rest of the players. fuck, i am at least trying. > [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > > > Then after taking your turn with both \*\*ed \*\*and I, you’re off on a completely different target? Take a stand, man! > > > > Vote for ed. vote for me. I don’t care. Just express a opinion. What are you afraid of? > > Why doesn’t the same apply to me? I took a turn with Chronos and then you and then was off on a completely different target. **peeker** , I don’t hold you to any different standards than anyone else. I’ve been very vocal and consistent about my position toward you. You talk a lot, and say very little. You make it seem like you are contributing, but when you remove all of the joke posts, and the side conversations about previous games, and the cursing and screaming, there’s not a whole lot left. Your votes for the first 800 posts of this thread counted for zero. Then you picked on the two easy targets, and then you throw your vote on \*\*Chipacabra \*\*while you wait to “see if we get a leader under our belt”. And now you’re going to vote for a lurker again “on principle”? Why even bother? **Hoopy** , the reason the same doesn’t apply to you is because you don’t have the same deceptive posting style as peeker, and you actually took a stand. You were the first person to cast a vote for \*\*Chronos \*\*(assuming my spreadsheet is correct) and you got in on me early on as well. That makes you much less suspicious in my mind. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1070 "2010-08-19T01:28:37Z")
> [@Chipacabra](#): > > My thinking was if Ed is scum, he’s seen a VT role example and quite likely a cover story. So he knows a name that isn’t being used by the townies. So he slips it into the list of names, adding in a connection to the palantir to provide Plankton with a plausible cover. Basically, Ed being scum introduces the possibilty of him trying to rescue Plankton. > > This isn’t a guaranteed scenario, just a plausible one, hence it’s not enough to nail in Plankton’s coffin, so I only said ‘good chance’. Good chance? The vote record was as follows: \*\* Chronos(1): Specialed Suburban(5): Telcontar, Red Skeezix, Hoopy, Oredigger, Pleonast USCDiver(3): Chronos, Drainbead, Gadarene Nanook(1): Peeker Peeker(1): Suburban Astral(3): OneandOnly, USCDiver, Nanook\*\* 14 votes total, Suburban up by 2, just under 3 Days left. So it’s not as if Suburban was particularly in danger yet. But even if he was, do you really think that Ed would be needed to give suburban a way out by suggesting character names? I mean, it’s Lord of the Fucking Rings. There’s a crap-ton of websites that could easily give Suburban a good cover role description. Not to mention that scum no doubt got to talk night 0, so they probably started out crafting cover ideas, 'cause that’s what scum do on Night 0 when they can’t talk during the Day. However, I’ve seen scum blow cover roles before, particularly newbie/newish players. I forget the game, but it was here and Rysto helped craft the cover role and a newbie scum used it, but didn’t quite get it right and so no one bought the claim. Because scum couldn’t talk during the day, there was nothing to do to tweak the claim that wasn’t quite ready yet. So I don’t buy the “Ed was helping Suburban” angle for a minute. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1071 "2010-08-19T01:30:16Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > You were the first person to cast a vote for \*\*Chronos \*\*(assuming my spreadsheet is correct) and you got in on me early on as well. That makes you much less suspicious in my mind. Why does him voting you or chronos early make him less suspicious? ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1072 "2010-08-19T01:32:24Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > I forget the game, but it was here and Rysto helped craft the cover role and a newbie scum used it, but didn’t quite get it right and so no one bought the claim. Because scum couldn’t talk during the day, there was nothing to do to tweak the claim that wasn’t quite ready yet. Just to be clear the game was Cecil Pond and the Player was KellyCriterion. Wiki Page:[http://wiki.flyingcowofdoom.com/mafiaWiki/Cecil\_Pond](http://wiki.flyingcowofdoom.com/mafiaWiki/Cecil_Pond) ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1073 "2010-08-19T01:37:10Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > > [@special\_ed](#): > > > > Exactly my point. We have a habit of lynching the loud. Someone who posts a lot probably says things that may be somewhat suspicious and it’s easy to vote that way. > > > > I suppose it’s almost inevitable on Day 1, but I think we need to be more careful > > > > And see, my mentioning it (albeit out of frustration) brings attention to it, and maybe we’ll be a little more aware. Not a bad thing at all. > > Maybe I shouldn’t have found it interesting. Maybe I should have just blithely continued playing without trying to analyze our approach to the game or comment n it. i don’t think it works **ed**. you and i and several others play this game the same way. we chat and see what comes up. **nook** and his ilk don’t say a whole bunch but also don’t give people grief about the way they play (although i will say this **coca coloa** gave me first mafia vote years back for being too chatty). discussion is the weapon of mass destruction for town. i don’t give a rat’s rear what we talk about. fuck if you are a yankees fan then you are most likely scum kind of attitude. **chipa** has said through the last page or so that she finds **burb** most likely scummy no matter what you are, even if you are town. but she/he is going to vote you regardless. that seems incongruent. i call bullshit. your play was totally hosed and i call bullshit on that as well. **pleo** ’s play is equally hosed. **mod question: can we split our vote into fractions?** ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1074 "2010-08-19T01:38:01Z")
> [@](#): > > However, I’ve seen scum blow cover roles before, particularly newbie/newish players. I forget the game, but it was here and Rysto helped craft the cover role and a newbie scum used it, but didn’t quite get it right and so no one bought the claim. That was the pond game I ran, and **KellyCriterion** was the newbie in question. If you want to find it exactly, search that game for the word “rotifer”. **ed** , this crusade against Lynch the Loud would probably be a lot more meaningful if it weren’t for the fact that your two votes have also been against two of the top participants. If you think we should be lynching lurkers, then go ahead, vote for a lurker. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1075 "2010-08-19T01:43:43Z")
Holy crap on a cracker. This game got interesting since the last time I checked in. First off… **unvote USCDiver** **vote Suburban Plankton** Not buying the roleclaim, for the many reasons already stated. Am still suspicious of **Diver** , and while I see quite a few people defending **ed** , his behavior in the couple of pages (yeesh) has been bizarre, to say the least. I am not understanding the whole role-name obfuscation in the least. I see no pro-Town motivation for it–it just seems like a big distraction. If **SP** comes up Scum, I think it looks like **ed** was protecting him. Not much time to post more, but I wanted to get the vote in before it was too late. I’ll try to digest the last 100 or so posts overnight and see if I can come up with something a little more coherent. I got about 4 hours of sleep last night and desperately need to go to bed before I try to think more. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1076 "2010-08-19T01:46:07Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > **peeker** , I don’t hold you to any different standards than anyone else. I’ve been very vocal and consistent about my position toward you. You talk a lot, and say very little. You make it seem like you are contributing, but when you remove all of the joke posts, and the side conversations about previous games, and the cursing and screaming, there’s not a whole lot left. > > Your votes for the first 800 posts of this thread counted for zero. Then you picked on the two easy targets, and then you throw your vote on \*\*Chipacabra \*\*while you wait to “see if we get a leader under our belt”. And now you’re going to vote for a lurker again “on principle”? Why even bother?. \ and maybe we need to take this to the pit. i win this game at about a 80 percentile rate. you may not like the way i play, and that is cool, but it seems to have history on its side. i think i say plenty, fcs. if you are too obtuse to get it that is your problem, not mine. and how are they easy targets? because they are making limp arguments and conclusions. frack my vote is on someone that admits that the person they are votiing for is less likely scum than another person. how does that make sense? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1077 "2010-08-19T01:51:34Z")
[oog] i really really want everyone to read what i say, especially **burb**. i play this game mean and dirty. as a result i get a little heated at times. but i want everyone to know that it is merely in the heat of battle that most of the posts are made. crap, and this probably speaks more about myself than anything else, but i consider all of you friends and we are just engaging in an activitiy that brings us some pleasure. and if i cross the line then all you need do is post it in thread or pm me. kthnxby{/oog} ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1078 "2010-08-19T01:52:27Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > [oog] > and if i cross the line then all you need do is post it in thread or pm me. [snipped] …You probably shouldn’t PM him. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1079 "2010-08-19T02:02:20Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > However, I’ve seen scum blow cover roles before, particularly newbie/newish players. I forget the game, but it was here and Rysto helped craft the cover role and a newbie scum used it, but didn’t quite get it right and so no one bought the claim. > > That was the pond game I ran, and **KellyCriterion** was the newbie in question. If you want to find it exactly, search that game for the word “rotifer”. > > **ed** , this crusade against Lynch the Loud would probably be a lot more meaningful if it weren’t for the fact that your two votes have also been against two of the top participants. If you think we should be lynching lurkers, then go ahead, vote for a lurker. Oh, so my comment, let’s quote it here > [@special\_ed](#): > > _sigh_ Yet again, I seem to have forgotten this boards penchant for lynch the loud. We do do that a lot here, don’t we. Maybe the 7th time will be the charm > > Reasons matter less. Logic matters less. Volume matters more. is now characterized as a crusade? Every other comment that I’ve made has been in response to other people pointing out how simply awful and/or inaccurate my comment was. and now it’s a crusade, eh? ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1080 "2010-08-19T02:08:00Z")
Yikes, more than 200 posts to read through in a day! These are some thoughts on posts I’d marked while reading through: > [@Chronos](#): > > On a completely separate subject, a thought just occurred to me: A Scum might try to exploit **Mahaloth** ’s strict enforcement of the vote formatting rules. For instance, suppose at the end of the Day that there’s a close race between Scum A and a townie. Scum B might vote for Scum A, but “accidentally” make a formatting error, and not notice it until after the deadline. In this way, B would get Town cred for having (tried to) vote for the Scum, but would also not put his teammate in any greater danger of a lynch. It’s a no-drawback bus vote. I think we need to keep an eye out for this, and be extra-vigilant with our own posts near the end of the Day to make sure we don’t make any genuine mistakes like this. Most votes not ending up in the final vote count will be ignored, last minute switching not withstanding. So I don’t seem much danger in this kind of tactic. Especially not now that you’ve brought it to light. > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > My Day One hunches have lately been correct, and I have a very strong hunch about **USCDiver** \ Not this time, sorry!😉 > [@Gadarene](#): > > I’m still comfortable with my vote on **USCDiver** , by the way, but I want to reexamine things a bit more. I see you’ve changed your vote now. If you’d like to discuss your suspicions of me, I’d like to address any concerns you are still having. > [@Gadarene](#): > > I have some other issues with his role PM besides the placement of the wincon, to be honest. \ I agree with you here and with other’s who have commented on the incongruous language in regards to ‘knowing Middle-earth is doomed’. However I am also loathe to lynch a claimed investigative role on Day 1. I still feel that Astral’s vote and unvote of me are the most scummy individual action of the Day. I’m happy with my vote where it is for now. I will be at work tomorrow at Dusk and probably unavailable for any last minute posting or voting. I may be able to check in tonight before going to bed and tomorrow before going to work. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=53) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=55)