# Lord of the Rings Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 10, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867 "2010-08-10T19:56:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 57
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1121 "2010-08-19T15:04:20Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Um…other people could confirm whether they had language remotely close to 1 or 2, or references to Servants of Darkness, or language that (like **Suburban’s** ) appeared to be taken from a completely dfifferent template than **Ed’s** PM, or whatever. It’s not like **Suburban’s** claimed PM is only different from **Ed’s** (and my) PM by a very little bit or anything. It sounds completely different. It sounds like a scum PM that’s been retrofitted to be a cover role. If anyone would like to step forward to say that their PM _also_ sounds like a scum PM that’s been retrofitted to be a cover role, then we can have a discussion. 🙂 \ but this would mean that we have to take the leap that **ed** and you are honest townies. i am not willing to take that leap. and i understand where you are at. but if **burb** is being honest then he is going to get hosed tonight absent a doc protect. and if he is still alive tomorrow then he got a result. one that we can hold him to account for. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1122 "2010-08-19T15:10:21Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > > [@Gadarene](#): > > > > Um…other people could confirm whether they had language remotely close to 1 or 2, or references to Servants of Darkness, or language that (like **Suburban’s** ) appeared to be taken from a completely dfifferent template than **Ed’s** PM, or whatever. It’s not like **Suburban’s** claimed PM is only different from **Ed’s** (and my) PM by a very little bit or anything. It sounds completely different. It sounds like a scum PM that’s been retrofitted to be a cover role. If anyone would like to step forward to say that their PM _also_ sounds like a scum PM that’s been retrofitted to be a cover role, then we can have a discussion. 🙂 > > but this would mean that we have to take the leap that **ed** and you are honest townies. i am not willing to take that leap. [snipped] I’m not willing to take the leap that **Ed** is an honest townie. However, I can evaluate the role PM he provided with my own two eyes, and I’m satisfied that it sounds like something “genuine” – whether or not it’s **Ed’s** actual PM or merely one provided as vanilla cover – waaaaaaaay more than **Suburban’s** does. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1123 "2010-08-19T15:10:22Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > And if he flips town, I think those who voted him won’t and shouldn’t be automatically chastised. There’s bound to be scum on that bandwagon (even if scum, there’s bound to be scum on that wagon at this point), but a claim like that combined with his actions toDay scream scum and you can’t fault town too much for the vote. I disagree with it, but I seem to be in the minority. \ butter your toast on both sides **hoopy**? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1124 "2010-08-19T15:13:06Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > **You have the number “2” by Astral, but only indicate one person voting for him.** Oh no! Ahhhhhhhhhhh! 🙂 Vote Count: Suburban(11): Oredigger, Cucuy, Nanook, RedSkeezix, Gadarene, Specialed, Pleonast, Guiri, Drainbead, InnerStickler, OneandOnly, Peeker(1): Natlaw Astral(1): USCDiver Pleonast(1): Meeko, SpecialEd(6): Astral, Chronos, Telcontar, MHaye, Suburban, Chipacabra Chipacabra(2): Hoopy, Peeker About 48 minutes left in this very long Day. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1125 "2010-08-19T15:14:28Z")
My vote count has more info than the mod’s. It’s here in case I don’t make it to the morning: ======= **pleonast (1):** [del]peekercpa[/del] [304-328], [del]Astral Rejection[/del] [655-684], Meeko [778], [del]Suburban Plankton[/del] [796-954] **cucuy (0):** [del]peekercpa[/del] [328-445], [del]peekercpa[/del] [447-454] **SpecialEd (6):** [del]Guiri[/del] [345-351], [del]peekercpa[/del] [800-856], Astral Rejection [823], Chronos [824], [del]Guiri[/del] [878-1009], Telcontar [883], MHaye [887], Suburban Plankton [954], Chipacabra [1005] **Suburban Plankton (11):** [del]Chronos[/del] [372-542], [del]Telcontar[/del] [578-883], [del]Red Skeezix[/del] [596-897], [del]Hoopy Frood[/del] [639-926], Oredigger [643], [del]Pleonast[/del] [644-884], cucuy [739], [del]Chipacabra[/del] [774-930], NanooktheNorthShore [797], Red Skeezix [923], Gadarene [931], [del]peekercpa[/del] [945-1019], SpecialEd [947], Pleonast [1004], Guiri [1009], Drain Bead [1075], Inner Stickler [1091], OneandOnly [1097] **Chronos (0):** [del]Hoopy Frood[/del] [404-506], [del]SpecialEd[/del] [513-808] **Hoopy Frood (0):** [del]Pleonast[/del] [408-644] **USCDiver (0):** [del]Chronos[/del] [585-759], [del]Drain Bead[/del] [617-1075], [del]Gadarene[/del] [622-931] **NanooktheNorthShore (0):** [del]peekercpa[/del] [586-798] **peekercpa (1):** [del]Suburban Plankton[/del] [605-796], Natlaw [764], [del]SpecialEd[/del] [808-947] **Astral Rejection (1):** [del]OneandOnly[/del] [612-1097], USCDiver [614], [del]NanooktheNorthShore[/del] [673-797] **MHaye (0):** [del]Pleonast[/del] [884-1004] **Chipacabra (2):** Hoopy Frood [1013], peekercpa [1019] Not Voting (1): LittlePlasticNinja # **Current Lynch Designee** : Suburban Plankton ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1126 "2010-08-19T15:14:29Z")
If we let SP survive a night, then tomorrow he comes in claiming being RB’d or that he investigated whoever got NK’d, is that an auto lynch? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1127 "2010-08-19T15:16:02Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I know it’s been mentioned before, but I don’t know if it’s been given a lot of consideration (or indeed if it is worthy of much): what are the odds that there is a third faction in this game? Not just a singular 3rd party (SK, for example), but two or more people acting in concert on their own agenda which does not benefit Town or Scum? The canon would certainly suggest this possibility, but I don’t know how difficult it would be to implement from a game mechanics perspective. **If there is such a third entity, I would assume they would come up Town upon inspection** … Come up Town? But your power states: > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > 1. You have a Palantir. You must use it during the Night to watch one other player in the game and will learn if they are a **Servant of Darkness or not**. This would lead me to believe that a player with this power would receive a result of “SoD or not” not “Town or Scum”. As a player with this power is the only one who should actually be concerned about interpreting the result of an investigation of an hypothetical third party, I’d imagine that player would have asked the moderator via PM and not posed the question in the general thread. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1128 "2010-08-19T15:19:26Z")
It’s not necessarily an auto-lynch, but he’d look incredibly scummy in my eyes. I don’t want to lock myself in; maybe scum will voluntarily out themselves? Short of that, I can just about guarantee I’d vote for SP. I only want him to survive today’s lynch because I believe it might give town helpful information. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1129 "2010-08-19T15:23:22Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > If we let SP survive a night, then tomorrow he comes in claiming being RB’d or that he investigated whoever got NK’d, is that an auto lynch? ouch, **wanderers**. i don’t see how “we” have any influence on him surviving a Night. unless you are claiming vig, scum or third party killer ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1130 "2010-08-19T15:24:27Z")
neta: but the we part sounds like you are claiming scum. out of the three choices. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1131 "2010-08-19T15:27:32Z")
i don’t see where giving SP a chance to inv and report back hurts us whether or not he is scum. What we would need to think about is how many inv’s we go for before pulling the plug, and also if he found a scum, would we lynch SP 1st then the scum or the fingered scum 1st and then assess Anyway of the 2 other contenders, I actually at the mo think Ed is VT so **unvote SP** **[color = “BLUE”] vote Chipacubra[/color]** In future can leading contenders please claim TWO days before deadline? kthx. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1132 "2010-08-19T15:27:54Z")
**unvote all** **vote wanderers** that really pinged me hard. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1133 "2010-08-19T15:27:59Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > > [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > > > If we let SP survive a night, then tomorrow he comes in claiming being RB’d or that he investigated whoever got NK’d, is that an auto lynch? > > ouch, **wanderers**. > > i don’t see how “we” have any influence on him surviving a Night. unless you are claiming vig, scum or third party killer I’m pretty sure **Wanderers** meant “surviving until the Night,” seeing as how **Suburban** is currently slated to swing by the rafters, but he/she can correct me if I’m wrong. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1134 "2010-08-19T15:28:36Z")
Dammit **vote Chipacubra** ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1135 "2010-08-19T15:29:56Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > unvote all > > vote wanderers > > that really pinged me hard. I think it is clear what I was saying and that the we referred to the town. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1136 "2010-08-19T15:30:17Z")
\*\*Vote Count: Suburban(10): Oredigger, Cucuy, Nanook, RedSkeezix, Gadarene, Specialed, Pleonast, Guiri, Drainbead, InnerStickler, Peeker(1): Natlaw Astral(1): USCDiver Pleonast(1): Meeko, SpecialEd(6): Astral, Chronos, Telcontar, MHaye, Suburban, Chipacabra Chipacabra(2): Hoopy, Oneandonly OneandOnly(1): Peeker\*\* ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1137 "2010-08-19T15:32:51Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > unvote all > > > > vote wanderers > > > > that really pinged me hard. > > I think it is clear what I was saying and that the we referred to the town. how does town have any influence on who survives the Night (other than a vig going elsewhere or a doc pulling a protect)? i’d really like to hear your reasoning for that statement. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1138 "2010-08-19T15:33:36Z")
On sleeping on it, I realized something else that’s off about **Plankton** ’s claim: His claimed power is only very slightly weaker than a standard Detective (since a standard Detective should claim after finding Scum anyway, and is likely to get killed or blocked thereafter), and a Detective is about the strongest power available to Town. That means that, if he’s telling the truth, our most powerful Town role, or very close to it, is a third-string character. Now, obviously, this is a bit meta, but if I were designing a Lord of the Rings game, I’d contrive some way for Gandalf or Aragorn or someone to be the Detective, even if it meant stretching things a bit, before I’d make someone as insignificant as Denethor be the star of the show, even if the power fits well canonically. This is enough to push me over the edge and **Unvote special ed Vote Suburban Plankton** I still remain highly suspicious of **special ed** , and will almost certainly switch back to him once **Plankton** is dead. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1139 "2010-08-19T15:34:42Z")
> [@](#): > > how does town have any influence on who survives the Night (other than a vig going elsewhere or a doc pulling a protect)? That’s easy: If Town decides to lynch someone, it’s guaranteed that they won’t survive the Night. That looks like pretty strong influence, to me. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1140 "2010-08-19T15:36:28Z")
I’m happy with **Plankton** swinging. While lynching a claimed investigator is not good, I do not find the claim plausible. I see no need to suffer a scum with a poor claim to survive any length of time. My preferred alternative is **MHaye** , they aren’t close to being lynched ToDay, so switching my vote is not useful. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=56) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=58)