# Lord of the Rings Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 10, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867 "2010-08-10T19:56:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 72
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1421 "2010-08-23T17:35:23Z")
World peace? And a pony! What’s really bothering me about Chip is something that I haven’t seen anyone else bring up. In the last game, Chip was very forceful, very direct. Asked a lot of questions, poked, prodded, and just stirred the shit in general. It was good for Town, helped those early scum lynches right along. But in this game it’s radically different. Where’s the poking? The prodding? The cutting questions that get people talking? They aren’t there. New players changing styles so radically is often an indicator that their role has changed a lot. In this case, it leads me to believe Chip is scum, since in the last game he was Town. \*\* vote Chip \*\* And for the record, I followed that game since I liked Harry Potter. I thought Chip was Town from the start, even as people were piling on him. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1422 "2010-08-23T17:42:29Z")
\*\*Vote Count: AstralRejection(2): Redskeezix, Specialed SpecialEd(3): Chronos, Chipacabra, Meeko Chipacabra(4): Hoopy, Gadarene, Drainbead, Nanook OneandOnly(1): Peeker MHaye(1): Pleonast \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1423 "2010-08-23T17:58:00Z")
Quoth **peeker** : > [@](#): > > pleo is one of the finest folks that i have met on the internet. but sometimes i wonder if he and ed and chronos are just yanking my chain. I’m certainly not trying to do so. I may, however, be succeeding. I would certainly hope, though, that I’m also accomplishing other things, so I take some issue with _just_ yanking your chain. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1424 "2010-08-23T18:45:45Z")
and **chronos** we play the same durn game. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1425 "2010-08-23T19:26:01Z")
ok, school is starting. there has been some relatively enlightening discussion. scum are trenching down because to lose another this early would be very bad for them. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1426 "2010-08-23T19:59:42Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > ok, school is starting. there has been some relatively enlightening discussion. scum are trenching down because to lose another this early would be very bad for them. I’m totally lost at this point. Town or not, it’s hard as hell to sift through the **peeker** / **Ed** colloquies to get to the meat of the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Chipacabra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@Chipacabra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chipacabra)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1427 "2010-08-23T20:06:20Z")
Well, I’d really like to defend myself, but my accusers make good points. I’d probably vote me, too, if I didn’t know I was town. I chose my words terribly, and it looks the price is my team will mislynch. Sorry, guys. At least you’re not lynching a power role. As for my change in playstyle, I should think that at least is obvious. Last game, I was forceful and noisy, because _no one else was._ That wasn’t the case this game, was it? Also, I thought peeker was doing the prod the lurker routine, and two people doing it at the same time is just noise. It turned out he didn’t follow through on it, but by the time I noticed it was too late in the Day to do it. Anyway. I don’t think my playstyle has changed nearly so much as the game I’m playing in has changed. Last game, once other people started talking, I quieted down. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1428 "2010-08-23T20:10:54Z")
> [@Chipacabra](#): > > Well, I’d really like to defend myself, but my accusers make good points. I’d probably vote me, too, if I didn’t know I was town. I chose my words terribly, and it looks the price is my team will mislynch. Sorry, guys. At least you’re not lynching a power role. > > As for my change in playstyle, I should think that at least is obvious. Last game, I was forceful and noisy, because _no one else was._ That wasn’t the case this game, was it? Also, I thought peeker was doing the prod the lurker routine, and two people doing it at the same time is just noise. It turned out he didn’t follow through on it, but by the time I noticed it was too late in the Day to do it. > > Anyway. I don’t think my playstyle has changed nearly so much as the game I’m playing in has changed. Last game, once other people started talking, I quieted down. I’d like to see _some_ sort of addressing of the actual meat of our issues with you. Specifically, what exactly made you change your mind on **ed**? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1429 "2010-08-23T20:13:45Z")
> [@Chipacabra](#): > > Well, I’d really like to defend myself, but my accusers make good points. I’d probably vote me, too, if I didn’t know I was town. I chose my words terribly, and it looks the price is my team will mislynch. Sorry, guys. At least you’re not lynching a power role. > > As for my change in playstyle, I should think that at least is obvious. Last game, I was forceful and noisy, because _no one else was._ That wasn’t the case this game, was it? Also, I thought peeker was doing the prod the lurker routine, and two people doing it at the same time is just noise. It turned out he didn’t follow through on it, but by the time I noticed it was too late in the Day to do it. > > Anyway. I don’t think my playstyle has changed nearly so much as the game I’m playing in has changed. Last game, once other people started talking, I quieted down. Despite my vote, I think it’s entirely possible that you’ll end up flipping Town – particularly in light of what **Guiri** pointed out about your handshake attempt. (By way of comparison, I would’ve been _shocked_ if **Suburban** had been anything other than scum.) I’m not sold on **Ed** , but if you want to suggest a different player who would be a better candidate than yourself, **Chip** , I’m happy to listen. Mislynching vanillas certainly isn’t the worst outcome in the world, but it’s far from the best, and I’d obviously like to avoid it if we can. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1430 "2010-08-23T20:28:43Z")
Apologies for no posts from me for quite a while - I did read up at some points but didn’t take the time to make some posts. I haven’t looked to closely at scum since my vote Yesterday, so that where I’ll continue now, especially since we got this: > [@peekercpa](#): > > i’d like to revisit the name claim thing. Why? There were some reasons mentioned why it might be a bad idea. Do you think they have changed? To review my vote on **peeker** (odd poke vote for Nanook then ignoring it), if I remember correctly that eventually resulted in a ‘drat, unvote’. Since then peeker voted[Suburban Plankton](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12815517&postcount=945) for odd role PM and Denethor making a good scum (when SP was close to the tie), switches to [Chipacabra](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12816045&postcount=1020) for his special ed vote (SP has a couple of votes lead then) and later to [OneAndOnly](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12818183&postcount=1132) for a possible scum slip about letting live SP a Night. Those votes definitely were better reasoned than the vote I voted peeker for, so I won’t replace my vote of Yesterday yet. **Peeker** : you find **Hoopy Frood** was hegding his bet with the Chipa vote, but you did make the same vote yourself. What the difference between you to? ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1431 "2010-08-23T20:35:49Z")
My last post was wrong, sorry. I do think \*\*Telcontar \*\*protected someone; I’m not so sure it was \*\*Pleonast \*\*(like I stated). I’d forgotten that \*\*Plankton \*\*was the one who’d claimed a sort of detective role in Denethor, attributing the detective to **Pleonast**. Screwed that up royally, hey? While we know that Pleo’s claimed a power role, we don’t know what that role is. If \*\*Plankton \*\*hadn’t been lynched, I think \*\*Telcontar \*\*would’ve protected him. So, I’ve reread through the whole thing, and six hours later, here are some random thoughts based on my notes. **Pleonast** , we get it that you don’t like **Mahaloth** ’s “one vote only” policy. You’ve said it at least twice, in post #757 and #1410. Sorry, them’s the rules. I’m really not happy with your explanations of why you claimed a townie power role, as they boil down to “it’s a game I like to play with scum” and “to make scum do work.” (Posts #184 and #194.) It’s true, you said that I didn’t have to like your explanations. But those are the only ones you gave, and I don’t find them satisfactory. Your continued existance and your refusal to give town any more useful information doesn’t make you look very townie at this point. **Plankton** ’s post #1069 contained this interesting tidbit: > [@Suburban Plankton](#): > > **Hoopy** , the reason the same doesn’t apply to you is because you don’t have the same deceptive posting style as peeker, and you actually took a stand. You were the first person to cast a vote for **Chronos** (assuming my spreadsheet is correct) and you got in on me early on as well. That makes you much less suspicious in my mind. Is this scum outing scum? \*\*Plankton \*\*knows he’s scum; it seems to me he’s almost calling out \*\*Chronos \*\*as scum here too. Otherwise, why mention him? But certainly scum wouldn’t make that big a slip, right? **Red Skeezix** picked up on this too, in post #1071 - and **Plankton** never answered him. **Gadarene** ’s analysis of **Plankton** ’s claim was masterful. And she doesn’t let us forget it: she mentions that she led the lynch bandwagon in post #1000, #1149, and #1301. I’ve got “me too” votes for \*\*Plankton \*\*on **Inner Stickler** (#1091), **Drain Bead** (#1075), \*\*Guiri \*\*(#1009), and **OneandOnly** (#1097) - not a lot of reasoning added, although that’s likely due to **Gadarene** ’s excellent analysis. It’d be easy for scum to hide behind that, even though it \*was \*outstanding. Two vote analyses ( **Guiri** ’s in #1037 and \*\*Hoopy’\*\*s in #1296) do a pretty good job in showing \*\*Chipacabra \*\*as scum trying to protect \*\*Plankton \*\*by vote switching. IMO, **Hoopy** ’s defends \*\*Skeezix \*\*and **Drain Bead** as town while **Guiri** ’s smudges \*\*Hoopy \*\*in addition to **Chip**. So, where does that leave me? **Chronos** , I admit that I’m pretty swayed by **Plankton** ’s wording in #1069. Do you have anything to say about this? **Pleo** , I’m not inclined to think you’re town, regardless whether “that’s how you always play.” Make with the info, dude. **Chip** , oy. Of these three, you look the most scummy right now. Although admittedly bad play, I’m really not seeing the anti-town motivations behind **Ed** ’s actions. But your voting record pretty clearly shows some scum protection going on. And your reasoning that **Ed** ’s scum because he posted the list including Denethor as a palantir holder for **Plankton** ’s later use isreally weak (#1032). You also haven’t told us the “lots of reasons” that no one’s posted anything that matches **Plankton** ’s claim, other than the very obvious (#1042). Then you hide behind a “swapping words” defense and different role PMs based on handshakes as reasoning that there might be more than one VT PM (#1093). (I don’t think anyone thinks there’s more than one VT PM, really.) Do you have answers for these? ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1432 "2010-08-23T20:51:28Z")
NETA: **Guiri** ’s vote analysis came in post #1307, not 1037. My bad. Sorry about that. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1433 "2010-08-23T20:52:52Z")
Ok, I’m starting my Day 2 read through now. I have a meta-game question. I have a vague memory from Harry Potter that the Vanilla PM and cover roles were not handed out to the Scum team until Night 1. Of course those scum boards are now closed, but does anyone else remember that for a fact? It seemed to me that there were only three cover roles given out because by that time there were only three Scum remaining. I seem to remember the Night 0 conversation there being meet-and-greet only and no scum strategy discussion. This would certainly make a big difference in this game if that were the case. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1434 "2010-08-23T20:54:44Z")
Quoth **Chipacabra** : > [@](#): > > Also, I thought peeker was doing the prod the lurker routine, and two people doing it at the same time is just noise. I would say, quite to the contrary, that it’s noise if only one person does it. With just one person lurker-prodding, the lurker is in no danger of actually getting lynched, and so can just remain quiet. It’s not until you have at least two or more likely three people voting for lurkers, and voting the _same_ lurker, that it’s a real threat. Quoth **Snickers** : > [@](#): > > Is this scum outing scum? Plankton knows he’s scum; it seems to me he’s almost calling out Chronos as scum here too. Otherwise, why mention him? But certainly scum wouldn’t make that big a slip, right? Red Skeezix picked up on this too, in post #1071 - and Plankton never answered him. Well, I don’t know anything about **Plankton** ’s actual motivations, but at a guess: He was of course trying to pass as Town, and so was behaving as though he didn’t know what side I’m on. It looks to me like he’s just saying that **Hoopy** is being active and aggressive, and that he’s (pretending to) give him credit for that. But I don’t know; maybe he was just picking people at random to focus on, or maybe he was trying to set me up for a frame in case he went down, or maybe he was inclined to like anyone going after someone he knew to be Town, or maybe **Hoopy** is Scum, too, and he was looking for things to praise him for, or maybe he had some completely different reason for that that I can’t even guess at. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1435 "2010-08-23T20:55:07Z")
> [@Snickers](#): > > **Pleo** , I’m not inclined to think you’re town, regardless whether “that’s how you always play.” Make with the info, dude. I’m not sure why you (or **Meeko** ) expect any information from me. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1436 "2010-08-23T20:57:36Z")
Quoth **USCDiver** : > [@](#): > > It seemed to me that there were only three cover roles given out because by that time there were only three Scum remaining. I understood that there being less cover roles than actual Scum was a deliberate design choice, intended to make the game more interesting. **Omi** didn’t get a polyjuice reveal because she was chosen to be the one without a cover role (logical, her being the mere goon), not because they hadn’t been handed out yet. ---
**Author:** ![Chipacabra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@Chipacabra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chipacabra)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1437 "2010-08-23T21:06:55Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I’d like to see _some_ sort of addressing of the actual meat of our issues with you. Specifically, what exactly made you change your mind on **ed**? Specifically? Exactly? Again? Arg. You’re going to make me review all 9 billion freaking pages again. Short version: At the time of the handshaking attempt, Ed looked like town making an unsuccessful gambit. Around the time that SP made his investigator claim, I pulled my vote because I still think leaving a vote for a claimed investigator without careful consideration is, well, kind of dumb. So I went back and reviewed, and Ed didn’t hold up to me. Ed made it clear that he has read a VT role message. This makes him either VT, or a scum with access to the VT pm. His behavior since then has not struck me as being vanilla. In particular, I hear a lot of the protesteth-too-much that twigged me to Red Skeevix in the last game (which, if you’ll remember, I was right about. For all that’s worth; I wasn’t right about much else that game.) For example, the interaction with Chronos. Chronos made a statement that made it _perfectly clear_ to Ed that Chronos had the same, or nearly the same, pm that he did. Ed had _no business_ pulling that ‘hah tricked you there’s no victory condition section’ nonsense. Ed _had his confirmation_ and threw an aspersion at Chronos anyway? At the time, I didn’t think anything of it, but after seeing how all the handshaking business played out, I can’t read it as anything other than a scum move. FWIW, I still don’t think lynching SP first was the best move. I mean, I’m glad it worked out, but that’s results oriented thinking and that gets you broke in poker. Here was my thinking on SP, since again what’s obvious to me isn’t obvious to anyone else. He was my first vote because of his self-preservation comments. His behavior pretty much all Day was not VT behavior. He claimed around the time I was doing my review, so I pulled my vote to be safe, thinking I could just put it back on if it didn’t hold up. During the review, his behavior seemed like it could be consistent either with being scum or being a clumsy investigator. Since I couldn’t be sure which way to go, I decided to leave my vote off of him; we could always lynch him toMorrow if he didn’t produce the goods. And by then, I’d already switched my opinion of Ed, which probably tunnel-visioned me from seeing the flaws in SP’s claim format. As for my if-ed-then-sp “waffling?” Fuck if I even remember the exact logic now, really. The game has moved on, I can’t get myself back into the same state of mind where that seemed like the obvious thing. Yeah, that’s not helpful. Sorry. I’m annoyed with past self for even having said it. **Gadarene** : Another player? I don’t really have a strong scum ping on anyone else, and I’m not willing to drum up an undirected witch hunt to save my own hide. I’ve pretty much got no read either way on Astral. Probably my next suspicion is Peeker, because he’s made a lot of noise and stirred up a lot of shit, but he hasn’t actually made a stand or followed through on any of it. Pleo… I don’t even know. He can’t be ignored, but I don’t know what to do with him. But I don’t have a strong scum ping in either case, and trying to sic you on one of them just to save me doesn’t seem like a play with strong odds. That being said, there’s probably scum in the people voting for me, but that doesn’t mean much of anything until I’ve been proven town, i.e. lynched. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1438 "2010-08-23T21:08:25Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > Ok, I’m starting my Day 2 read through now. > > I have a meta-game question. I have a vague memory from Harry Potter that the Vanilla PM and cover roles were not handed out to the Scum team until Night 1. Of course those scum boards are now closed, but does anyone else remember that for a fact? It seemed to me that there were only three cover roles given out because by that time there were only three Scum remaining. I seem to remember the Night 0 conversation there being meet-and-greet only and no scum strategy discussion. This would certainly make a big difference in this game if that were the case. I hate to have to admit it but Night 0 was a but of a disaster for scum. Mahaloth’s opening post said “no powers, no kills” and, being my first time as scum, I interpreted that as we were not allowed to share our powers. Inner Stickler even asked if we were allowed to talk strategy but he got no response. As it turned out, we didn’t discuss or distribute the three cover roles (or our actual powers - which lead me to blindly bus Omi and gain 0 town credit for it) and so Mahaloth couldn’t do a proper “reveal” for Omi - leading to some confusion later on. On Night 1 our first task, set by Mahaloth, was to decide who would use which cover and, as there just happened to be three of us left, we chose one each. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1439 "2010-08-23T21:11:29Z")
> [@Snickers](#): > > As we now know, he was the doctor. Is it likely he protected **Pleonast**? I think yes, as in 1115: > > > [@Telcontar](#): > > > > Look, if you guys want to lynch a claimed investigator on Day 1, go ahead. Personally, I think you’re nuts. Even if you turn out to be right in this game, it is still the lower percentage play. Really, what harm is there is giving him another day? > > This reads to me that \*\*Telcontar \*\*didn’t self-protect and chose to protect \*\*Pleonast \*\*instead - maybe not the best decision for someone already outed as a town power role. And clearly \*\*Pleo \*\*wasn’t targeted last night… > > Yeah, **Pleo** ’s got some 'splaining to do. For the record, I don’t think Meeko was fishing when he asked Pleonast to post what he did last Night, but more taking the bait Pleonast is hanging out :). But this reasoning that **Pleonast** must have been protected and didn’t die and therefore he must spill the beans doesn’t make much sense to me: Twenty other players didn’t die. If Pleonast actually was protected, maybe even from a kill, why should he make a full claim now? (on preview I see you don’t think it as likely that Pleonast was protected) > [@](#): > > maybe not the best decision for someone already outed as a town power role I repeated this part of the quote because I think it’s actually the first time it is said out in the open. Telcontar claimed Yesterday ‘there must be different vanilla PM, that’s why the handshake failed’. For **special ed** : Yesterday you said a couple of times that you were suspicious of people claiming there are different worded vanilla PMs (I think I repeated it at one point). But are you actually suspicious or were just trying to plant the idea that Telcontar wasn’t a power role because you were suspicious of him for believing there were different PMs? If the first, why be suspicious of the people who said ‘must be different PM, no power roles found here, move along’ instead of the ones who went ‘failed to handshake, lets ignore that scum might fail and vote else where’. Everyone was keeping the fact that power role were possibly outed under the lid, so why cast suspicion on the first group? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2010, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1440 "2010-08-23T21:14:19Z")
> [@Snickers](#): > > **Gadarene** ’s analysis of **Plankton** ’s claim was masterful. And she doesn’t let us forget it: she mentions that she led the lynch bandwagon in post #1000, #1149, and #1301. [snipped] It’s he, and damn straight. 🙂 Although it’s not like I was randomly bragging – post #1000 was a sincere response to **Telcontar’s** question, which may have been pointed only because I knew **Telcontar** didn’t trust me and I wanted to change that; post #1149 was mostly nervous energy; and post #1301 was a reaction to **peeker’s** implied criticism of me for making “safe choices.” I mean, if you’re suggesting it was a bus on my part, then you’re entitled to your opinion, but people were unvoting **Suburban Plankton** left and right at that point in light of his/her roleclaim, and I don’t think it’s exaggerating to say that **Suburban** almost certainly would have escaped a lynch if I hadn’t raised the points I did. If I’m scum, I’m not very good at it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=71) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=73)