# Lord of the Rings Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 10, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867 "2010-08-10T19:56:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 80
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1581 "2010-08-24T03:26:49Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > OK wait, \*\*peeker \*\*thinks he’s a sleeper mason based on a mechanic he is developing for a game that hasn’t been played yet because ed has the phrase “your family and loved ones” in his (claimed) PM? and so \*\*peeker \*\*is claiming to be Boromir who is Faramir’s brother (the role \*\*ed \*\*has claimed). And this is despite the fact that both claim to have no information related to their brother included in their Role PM? AND despite the fact that \*\*ed \*\*has said his ?extra? information is related to Glorfindel and has nothing to do with Bormir. > > Have I got that right so far? > > Because I also have the line “your family and loved ones” in my PM, but as far as I can tell from Wikipedia, my character doesn’t have any family who are specifically named in the book or movie. N or does Glorfindel. And while it’s entirely possible that Glorfindel and Faramir may have met, no mention is made of such a meeting. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1582 "2010-08-24T03:28:12Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > > [@Pleonast](#): > > > > I’m not sure why you (or **Meeko** ) expect any information from me. > > \*\*You are not confirmed. You have no teeth here. Keep that in mind. > \*\* > > > [@Chronos](#): > > > > Quoth **Pleonast** :You misunderstand. He’s asking if you had any Night actions of note, or PMs to or from the moderator. **Since you claimed a power role, and all**. > > \*\* > THIS.\*\* > > So, You are Power Role town, and I am supposed to take your word for it? > > \*\* > Or rather, I am supposed to take your NON word for it, but confirm you for it anyway?\*\* > Where is the Town motivation in that? > > It is not Fishing in the slightest. > > You entered this game by magic bag claiming. A vote against you for not backing that up is the price of admission. [I believe there is a pun here, but I can’t find it.] > > You can’t pre-ordain yourself as Power Town, and teflon everything else based on your unconfirmed claim. We are well down the road of you being quasi-confirmed based just on your words alone. At best you are pseudo-confirmed. I’m one to make sure that we don’t forget that. > > I can smell the Fallacy from here. I can’t name it, but then again, my track record with Occam’s Razor and Wine is not the best it should be. > > All I need to know is that part of this is NOT kosher. And that’s enough for me. > > Ed and Peeker can spam the game all they want with disenfranchising cannon specific trvial tidbits that I can’t begin to decipher. That’s fine, I will go for the vote on the guy that is playing too big for his britches, at any role. One requires uber-specific knowledge of canon shoe-horned into a Mafia game, andmee the other is universal, in Mafia and otherwise. **meeko** , how am i spamming the game? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1583 "2010-08-24T03:29:43Z")
Pleo is not claiming that he’s confirmed town, meeko. Calm down. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1584 "2010-08-24T03:37:03Z")
i am a killer when it comes to this shit. and don’t you ever question my motives. there is one on the block that is scum. whether you want to play along is your own game. i think i have another. but what you do is up to you. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1585 "2010-08-24T03:37:29Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > **meeko** , how am i spamming the game? Against my better instincts… For starters, you did an improvised “How do I Feel about X” spiel on everyone – in a seperate post per each. The tactic is good, for late to end game, Day 4 or Day 5 - In one singleton post, not so much this early on. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1586 "2010-08-24T03:39:30Z")
neta: the killer was not supposed to be any kind of a vig reference. merely, that i have had a good run of lynching scum recently. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1587 "2010-08-24T03:41:05Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > **meeko** , how am i spamming the game? > > Against my better instincts… > For starters, you did an improvised “How do I Feel about X” spiel on everyone – in a seperate post per each. The tactic is good, for late to end game, Day 4 or Day 5 - In one singleton post, not so much this early on. oh, jeebus i was catching scratch for not posting game content, enough. that was my way of telling those clowns to take a hike. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1588 "2010-08-24T03:45:01Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > **meeko** , how am i spamming the game? > > Against my better instincts… > For starters, you did an improvised “How do I Feel about X” spiel on everyone – in a seperate post per each. The tactic is good, for late to end game, Day 4 or Day 5 - In one singleton post, not so much this early on. do you think this an ineffective tool to establish where people’s stance are? or are you more along the lines of this WOW shit that i totally ignore. i mean seriously someone commenting on each post of another individual is helpful in what kind of manner? fuck. i already did that on my own. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1589 "2010-08-24T03:46:49Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Pleo is not claiming that he’s confirmed town, meeko. Calm down. I know he is not confirmed. I am reminding him of that fact. He seems to be making every move since his magic bag claim as if he already was confirmed. His comments that he doesn’t owe me anything is similar to him pissing on me and saying that I should be thankful for that much. He wants to act Ex Cathedra, and I am reminding him, and the game at large that he could very well be a heretic. The dodges to my questions don’t help him. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1590 "2010-08-24T03:57:40Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > > [@Meeko](#): > > > > Against my better instincts… > > For starters, you did an improvised “How do I Feel about X” spiel on everyone – in a seperate post per each. The tactic is good, for late to end game, Day 4 or Day 5 - In one singleton post, not so much this early on. > > do you think this an ineffective tool to establish where people’s stance are? > > or are you more along the lines of this WOW shit that i totally ignore. i mean seriously someone commenting on each post of another individual is helpful in what kind of manner? fuck. i already did that on my own. The tool, when properly used and timed, is very effective. I am not talking about WOWs. I’m not sure what you wish to gain by admitting that you skim the game. There is more value in the game, for all involved, if you can point to one concrete post with substance, over pointing to multiple posts, across multiple pages that look and feel tacked on. Or, can you remember every single post you have made in this game, and can pull them out on an as needed basis? BTW, as I think it might be related, why did you ask to be subbed out? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1591 "2010-08-24T04:05:33Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Pleo is not claiming that he’s confirmed town, meeko. Calm down. I think Meeko at times looks at the game differently. He’s a little paranpid of being killed (A useful skill in real life) and so looks at being confirmed as Town as being more important than finding a Scum. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1592 "2010-08-24T04:09:13Z")
Meh, lists of what you think of each player are not as helpful as you’d think and they hand scum a nice little list of townies that you’d happily vote for because you think they’re scummy. Pleo is well aware of what he’s doing and is doing it for his own inscrutable reasons. I don’t like it either but I don’t don’t like it enough to vote him for it right now. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1593 "2010-08-24T04:11:06Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > > > Pleo is not claiming that he’s confirmed town, meeko. Calm down. > > I think Meeko at times looks at the game differently. He’s a little paranpid of being killed (A useful skill in real life) and so looks at being confirmed as Town as being more important than finding a Scum. I have no idea how meeko looks at the game other than sometimes I am quite sure that we are reading different games. Although I will say with all the talk of hashing on Day 1, I thought, for once it would be appropriate to describe the game as going sideways. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1594 "2010-08-24T04:17:39Z")
\*\*Vote Count: AstralRejection(1): Redskeezix, SpecialEd(3): Chronos, Chipacabra, Chipacabra(5): Hoopy, Gadarene, Drainbead, Nanook, Specialed MHaye(1): Pleonast Hoopy(1): Peeker Pleonast(1): Meeko\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1595 "2010-08-24T04:19:58Z")
I see 3 votes for ed but only two names. Gasp! Vote Charger!? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1596 "2010-08-24T04:39:49Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I see 3 votes for ed but only two names. Gasp! Vote Charger!? Indeed! Me, by mistake. 🙂 \*\* Vote Count: AstralRejection(1): Redskeezix, SpecialEd(2): Chronos, Chipacabra, Chipacabra(5): Hoopy, Gadarene, Drainbead, Nanook, Specialed MHaye(1): Pleonast Hoopy(1): Peeker Pleonast(1): Meeko\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1597 "2010-08-24T04:44:28Z")
That’s not nearly as exciting. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1598 "2010-08-24T04:48:51Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > That’s not nearly as exciting. Stickler, indeed. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1599 "2010-08-24T04:55:00Z")
**peeker** , I still think you’re making a big mistake in assuming that Boromir and Faramir are supposed to be some sort of masons, just because they’re brothers. OK, so you’ve considered putting a mechanic like that in a game you run… But is there any reason to believe **Mahaloth** put it in a game? The bit about being concerned about family is completely irrelevant, given that **USCDiver** (with no canonical family) has it, too. What, you think that those two characters must be masons just because they have a connection between them? It’s not possible that one of the brothers was one of the folks disposed of and replaced by a Scum? Seriously, this is the kind of argument I would have expected from **Meeko** , back when he was just starting off. ---
**Author:** ![cucuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cucuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cucuy)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1600 "2010-08-24T05:15:21Z")
I’m back, catching up on all that’s transpired since yesterDay. Somethings that I carried over from then: **MHaye’s** acronym affair. I can’t see this as being more than a simple wordplay that’s generated interest on other players. If he’s scum, it’s hardly a scum-tell. If he’s town, it could be a simple slip and scum are trying to force votes on him. **Astral’s** comments appear sloppy and could very well be scum-tells, but I’m not convinced he’s scum. He’s been relatively quiet since yesterDay, so that might be telling of itself. **Special Ed’s** been pinging me since he first introduced his handshake. As I said before, I didn’t understand what it meant, and I didn’t want to rush a vote on him for it. His posted PM is not convincing me that he isn’t scum, but I’m willing to wait to toMorrow before pressing that. **Meeko** … well, let’s just say that I read what others reply to, in order to glean information off him. That brings me to **Chipacabra**. > [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > There’s a lot of scum motivation for Chip in these points. Sure he could have been town voting Ed over a claimed role, and at inopportune moments for his vote record, but that doesn’t explain his need for points 2 and 3. They make no sense for a townie. > [@Gadarene](#): > > Despite my vote, I think it’s entirely possible that you’ll end up flipping Town – particularly in light of what **Guiri** pointed out about your handshake attempt. (By way of comparison, I would’ve been _shocked_ if **Suburban** had been anything other than scum.) I’m not sold on **Ed** , but if you want to suggest a different player who would be a better candidate than yourself, **Chip** , I’m happy to listen. Mislynching vanillas certainly isn’t the worst outcome in the world, but it’s far from the best, and I’d obviously like to avoid it if we can. > [@Snickers](#): > > **Chip** , oy. Of these three, you look the most scummy right now. Although admittedly bad play, I’m really not seeing the anti-town motivations behind **Ed** ’s actions. But your voting record pretty clearly shows some scum protection going on. And your reasoning that **Ed** ’s scum because he posted the list including Denethor as a palantir holder for **Plankton** ’s later use isreally weak (#1032). You also haven’t told us the “lots of reasons” that no one’s posted anything that matches **Plankton** ’s claim, other than the very obvious (#1042). Then you hide behind a “swapping words” defense and different role PMs based on handshakes as reasoning that there might be more than one VT PM (#1093). (I don’t think anyone thinks there’s more than one VT PM, really.) Do you have answers for these? All of these are worthy indicators pointing to scum. I don’t have the confident feeling I had in voting **Suburban** but for now you seem as likely a player for scum as the others. **vote Chipacabra** But there’s just other thing: > [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > What’s really bothering me about Chip is something that I haven’t seen anyone else bring up. In the last game, Chip was very forceful, very direct. Asked a lot of questions, poked, prodded, and just stirred the shit in general. It was good for Town, helped those early scum lynches right along. But in this game it’s radically different. Where’s the poking? The prodding? The cutting questions that get people talking? They aren’t there. New players changing styles so radically is often an indicator that their role has changed a lot. In this case, it leads me to believe Chip is scum, since in the last game he was Town. I’m not familiar with most of you as players, and I’m sure the feeling’s the same. And **Nanook** has been spot-on in his posts in this game. But this just sounds all wrong. There’s the remote possibility that **Chip** is playing a different role— he could’ve been a doc or cop in the previous game— and now he’s playing a townie and trying not to get lynched. What I’m saying is that this is a weak argument, IMO. I know **Nanook** hasn’t based his vote on this, it’s just his observation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=79) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=81)