# Lord of the Rings Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 10, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867 "2010-08-10T19:56:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 81
**Author:** ![cucuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cucuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cucuy)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1601 "2010-08-24T05:16:57Z")
> [@Chipacabra](#): > > Well, I’d really like to defend myself, but my accusers make good points. I’d probably vote me, too, if I didn’t know I was town. I chose my words terribly, and it looks the price is my team will mislynch. Sorry, guys. At least you’re not lynching a power role. Is this a soft claim? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1602 "2010-08-24T05:26:36Z")
Quoth **cucuy** : > [@](#): > > I’m not familiar with most of you as players, and I’m sure the feeling’s the same. And Nanook has been spot-on in his posts in this game. But this just sounds all wrong. There’s the remote possibility that Chip is playing a different role— he could’ve been a doc or cop in the previous game— and now he’s playing a townie and trying not to get lynched. No, he was a vanilla in the last game. > [@](#): > > Is this a soft claim? No, that’s a hard claim: He’s claiming to be vanilla. ---
**Author:** ![cucuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cucuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cucuy)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1603 "2010-08-24T05:28:21Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > > [@Pleonast](#): > > > > I typically don’t post during fluff-only Nights, because it’s a waste of my time. I’m not sure why you’re asking me to PM you, since that’s not allowed. > > Wow. > > \*\*WOW. \*\* > > I’ve heard of dodging a question, but you are the first person I’ve seen to dodge and smudge at the same time. > > **[ > Unvote Ed.[/COLOR]** > > **Vote Pleonast.[/COLOR]** > > \*\* > I am asking you to put your money where your “I am a town power role” mouth is. Post a PM you sent or received from last night. \*\* > > How stupid do you think I am, that I would ask you to prove your vanillaness, after you staked Town power role from the get go? > > How on earth you took that to mean that I want you to cheat is beyond me. How on earth you thought you could dodge it is beyond that. > > Until we get somewhere with this, my new vote is staying. Before I start getting fired up over this, can someone please explain to me **why** this isn’t scummy? Better yet, why this could be of help to town? ---
**Author:** ![cucuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cucuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cucuy)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1604 "2010-08-24T05:29:32Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Quoth **cucuy** : > > > [@](#): > > > > I’m not familiar with most of you as players, and I’m sure the feeling’s the same. And Nanook has been spot-on in his posts in this game. But this just sounds all wrong. There’s the remote possibility that Chip is playing a different role— he could’ve been a doc or cop in the previous game— and now he’s playing a townie and trying not to get lynched. > > No, he was a vanilla in the last game. > > > [@](#): > > > > Is this a soft claim? > > No, that’s a hard claim: He’s claiming to be vanilla. OK. I’m not convinced. ---
**Author:** ![cucuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7feea3/32.png) [@cucuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cucuy)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1605 "2010-08-24T05:32:34Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > I’m vaguely tempted to vote for peeker and/or Ed just to stop the goddam BS posts. No peeker, vaguely coherent basically fluff is not graduate level mafia. Making yourself difficult to understand does not make you a better player, nor does it help Town. You lead the charge, I’ll be right behind you! > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > WTF. I just read two pages and I feel noticeably stupider. I think I hate you all. > > Seriously, what the hell was that about? You can bring up the rear. But seriously guys, can you cut it down the rest of the game? I forced myself to read the last two pages when I really could have skimmed, because there MIGHT have been something useful there. ---
**Author:** ![Chipacabra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@Chipacabra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chipacabra)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1606 "2010-08-24T05:37:39Z")
It’s not much of a claim. If you’re willing to to slog back into the handshaking nonsense, you can see me as much as claim to be vanilla. I… don’t even know what to say about the past two pages. I’ve been musing about Ed’s ‘I know something I can’t tell’ and; I am not Glorfindel. I am Treebeard. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1607 "2010-08-24T05:47:03Z")
Huh, you’d think we would have recognized you. You looked just like a 30-foot-tall hobbit, sitting in the back, there. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1608 "2010-08-24T09:33:38Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > i have information that i have also been told by the mod not to be shared. /snipped **Peeker** , is the quoted statement true? Have you received information from the mod that you were explicitly told not to share? > [@peekercpa](#): > > or are you more along the lines of this WOW shit that i totally ignore. i mean seriously someone commenting on each post of another individual is helpful in what kind of manner? fuck. i already did that on my own. /snipped The beauty of a WoW is that, in general, it’s spoilered you know, add the [spoiler] tag at the start and then close it at the end like this [/spoiler] and so the author is basically saying “here’s a summary of X’s posts, if you want to read, click Show or, if you want to ignore the detail but get straight to the meat, here’s a summary of what I’ve found”. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1609 "2010-08-24T09:36:29Z")
200 posts overnight? You guyts are frakkin’ insane! At this point I feel like advocating a peeker lynch to preserve my time/sanity! OK I haven’t read the 200 posts yet, I will do so now, but in the meantime I will resume my last vote from yesterday **vote Chupacabra** Some very shady voting went down yesterday, imo to try and save SP. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1610 "2010-08-24T10:35:49Z")
> [@Chipacabra](#): > > It’s not much of a claim. If you’re willing to to slog back into the handshaking nonsense, you can see me as much as claim to be vanilla. > I… don’t even know what to say about the past two pages. > I’ve been musing about Ed’s ‘I know something I can’t tell’ and; > > I am not Glorfindel. > > I am Treebeard. Any reason why you haven’t quoted your role PM? ---
**Author:** ![Chipacabra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@Chipacabra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chipacabra)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1611 "2010-08-24T11:01:07Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > Any reason why you haven’t quoted your role PM? Yes. I can quote it if you want me to, I guess. It won’t be terribly useful. > [@](#): > > You are Treebeard. > > You are a member of the Alliance of Light. > > You are truly frightened about a future controlled by Sauron. You are sure that Sauron and his minions would destroy all good in Middle-earth and this includes your family and loved ones. You will not stop until Sauron and his minions are destroyed. > > Powers: > > You have no other powers beyond daily voting for lynching. > > You win when all threats to the Alliance of Light have been destroyed. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1612 "2010-08-24T11:32:44Z")
> [@cucuy](#): > > Before I start getting fired up over this, can someone please explain to me **why** this isn’t scummy? Better yet, why this could be of help to town? Good Idea, I will wait in the wings as well. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1613 "2010-08-24T12:12:16Z")
> [@Chipacabra](#): > > I believe, without evidence backing it up, that the paragraph I used should be identical for at least all vanilla town, maybe all town. /snip OK, this looks like evidence that scum are in possession of a VT role PM. For what possible reason would a VT state that they believe a portion of their role PM “should” be identical for all VTs and possibly all Town? Now, if he’d seen other VT role PMs or even other non-VT role PMs, he’d have a pretty good reason to believe this but of course, he couldn’t back it up with evidence. In fact, the evidence already present at the time of this post contradicted the statement - as there was some discrepancy on the number of times Sauron and SAHM appeared in the paragraph. For the voting, backtracking on relationship between **Special Ed** and **Suburban** , and a possible slip **Vote Chipacabra** ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1614 "2010-08-24T12:30:02Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > do you think this an ineffective tool to establish where people’s stance are? > > > > or are you more along the lines of this WOW shit that i totally ignore. i mean seriously someone commenting on each post of another individual is helpful in what kind of manner? fuck. i already did that on my own. > > The tool, when properly used and timed, is very effective. > > I am not talking about WOWs. I’m not sure what you wish to gain by admitting that you skim the game. > > There is more value in the game, for all involved, if you can point to one concrete post with substance, over pointing to multiple posts, across multiple pages that look and feel tacked on. > > Or, can you remember every single post you have made in this game, and can pull them out on an as needed basis? > > BTW, as I think it might be related, why did you ask to be subbed out? i don’t skim. i merely don’t read the recaps that are made by folks. i will do that on my own without the inherant bias that typically accompanies these summaries. i really don’t need someone else to think for me. and no i can’t remember every single post verbatim but i do have a pretty good memory of what the general gist folks are saying. if needed i either do a search or i ask for clarification. i already said why i wanted to be subbed out. i got some poor news and then read **ed** ’s snarky post which struck a nerve. it really irked me and i was kind of like fuck it. i have since apologized to everyone and **ed** specifically. i sometimes will take things personally in this game and fail to forget that fundamentally this is a game. and to some extent the most valuable information is acquired through getting under someone’s skin. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1615 "2010-08-24T12:35:56Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > **peeker** , I still think you’re making a big mistake in assuming that Boromir and Faramir are supposed to be some sort of masons, just because they’re brothers. OK, so you’ve considered putting a mechanic like that in a game you run… But is there any reason to believe **Mahaloth** put it in a game? The bit about being concerned about family is completely irrelevant, given that **USCDiver** (with no canonical family) has it, too. What, you think that those two characters must be masons just because they have a connection between them? It’s not possible that one of the brothers was one of the folks disposed of and replaced by a Scum? > > Seriously, this is the kind of argument I would have expected from **Meeko** , back when he was just starting off. what i was merely observing was that it follows canon. additionally, if i were to follow canon i would think that boromir would most likely be the not town. but the addiditional kind of half ass information that **ed** has shared makes me a little more convinced. now could i be wrong? youbetcha, but at this point i feel an **ed** lynch makes no sense. now if we get to three handed with a confirmed townie **ed** and myself you can pretty much bet i am voting **ed** regardless of the canonical implications of fratracide. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1616 "2010-08-24T12:50:42Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > i have information that i have also been told by the mod not to be shared. > > /snipped > > **Peeker** , is the quoted statement true? Have you received information from the mod that you were explicitly told not to share? \ the actual pm stated _I would appreciate it if you don’t mention it “in-game”, so to speak. It’s my bad._ now is mentioning something that i am not supposed to mention while not actually mentioning that which i am not supposed to mention the right play or not. i have no clue. i just find in congruent that **ed** kind of got the same type of message. and the fact that he has claimed faramir and i know that i am boromir makes me wonder about the “mason” mechanic that i talked about previously. back to the game. i find **astral** ’s absence very concerning. in the past, when i have been scum, and either i or a mate started getting heat the typical strategy was along the lines of just shut up and hopefully they will go elsewhere. and typically it was up to your buds to get the focus someplace else while the suspect goes dormant. that’s where i am going fishing this morning. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1617 "2010-08-24T13:00:21Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > 200 posts overnight? You guyts are frakkin’ insane! At this point I feel like advocating a peeker lynch to preserve my time/sanity! > > OK I haven’t read the 200 posts yet, I will do so now, but in the meantime I will resume my last vote from yesterday > > **vote Chupacabra** > > Some very shady voting went down yesterday, imo to try and save SP. _blink_ **burb** was kind of a runaway “winner” for purposes of this game. i mean the latest vote change was **chronos** moving from **ed** to **burb** so that certainly doesn’t feel like a saving vote. and i moved from **chippy** to you kind of late. but i don’t see how that helped **burb**. _blink_ ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1618 "2010-08-24T13:07:52Z")
How likely is it that Mahaloth would’ve a) not explicitly told a mason he (or she) was a mason and b) given a vanilla townie a role of Treebeard. I mean, it’s Treebeard - the weirdest being in LOTR. Treebeard? Really? Seems like a total cover for scum. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1619 "2010-08-24T13:18:42Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Snipped > > Seriously, this is the kind of argument I would have expected from **Meeko** , back when he was just starting off. I have read the snipped part, and I follow the general argument that **Chronos** puts forth. However, I do not think I can anything of value to it. Not that any statement with value will maintain that value, given the speed of posts in this game. However, taking things at face value, and not reading too much into it might perhaps bridge the two distinct tracks this game is currently running. But, I digress. I just want to take two seconds comment on the second part. **OOG** At first, I want to think that this is a backhanded compliment. I thought I knew everything there was to know about Peeker back when I ““divorced”” him from my play style some games back. [What game was that again? You would think that the amount of energy I put into being livid at Peeker back then, would have stuck with me longer than this.] I find Peeker has entered “my space” in this game. But he can have it. I seriously feel like, after this game, I will be in a new space with my Mafia play. Speaking for myself, I have come to a new understanding of Night 0 and having a definite and consistent day and night length cycle. I have tons of questions for this game, none of which are appropriate while the game is on. Suffice to say, I feel this game is sideways, eight ways to Sunday. Perhaps in having Peeker reflecting my original play style, I can appreciate the distraction it was. Perhaps being conscripted into a canon I thought I would tread water or perhaps dog paddle into, and admiting that I am gloriously lost, I can respect quality over quantity. Perhaps actually having other things to do with my time, I can respect a game that is more bite size, more sprint, than a buffet marathon. On the player level, and not on the character / role level, I feel as if I have already won this time. Making a general “I’m never going back to my old life” comment if fickle, cliche and trite. Most of the time, it doesn’t stick. It is perhaps a statement made in more quicksand than making a quality post in this game. That being said, I am certain this game is a turning point for me. It might be the final “thing” I needed to change, or it might be all of the things repackaged and handed to me at a time I am ready to receive them. I look forward to what I can do in the next Mafia game\*. I don’t know if the current state of this game is causing the next game to pull me through this one, or if the entire, more than the sum of its parts, experience of this game is pushing me into the next game. - This is a loaded statement, to be sure. One would expect the content here to be the parting words from a player eulogizing his death. I just feel… not sure the words. I feel a need to do this, now. (Use of the word “strongly” is a bit awkward for me here.) I just feel this game will help in ways I don’t understand yet, when it comes to the next game. All in all, not bad for someone who was razor-thin on giving up the game entire. So Chonos, thanks for the compliment. Even if you didn’t mean it to be one. **/OOG** ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2010, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1620 "2010-08-24T13:39:23Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > _blink_ > > **burb** was kind of a runaway “winner” for purposes of this game. i mean the latest vote change was **chronos** moving from **ed** to **burb** so that certainly doesn’t feel like a saving vote. and i moved from **chippy** to you kind of late. but i don’t see how that helped **burb**. > > _blink_ The shady voting was done earlier in the Day when \*\*ed \*\*and \*\*Suburban \*\*were much closer in vote totals. \*\*Chipacabra \*\*voted for \*\*ed \*\*at the time. So far there hasn’t been much else as scummy as that vote. So I’ll **vote Chipacabra**. If he turns up Scum like I think he will, then we’ll have more evidence that Scum had access to the Vanilla PM in Day 1. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=80) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=82)