# Lord of the Rings Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 10, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867 "2010-08-10T19:56:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 89
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1761 "2010-08-26T04:09:05Z")
I really don’t think Ed is scum. I think what I will do is **Vote Pleonast** Chip’s gonna swing regardless of how I vote and the acronym is a lousy thing to hang a vote on. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1762 "2010-08-26T05:03:26Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > **Pleonast** : IIRC you made a statement to the effect of you understand my vote on you, or at least a part of it. > How can we reconcile that, with the fact that you are leveling a fishing charge against me? > [@Meeko](#): > > > [@Pleonast](#): > > > > Can you quote what you’re referring to? I don’t think I have. > > > [@Pleonast](#): > > > > That is an acceptable accusation, since it simply states your opinion of me without misrepresenting anything I’ve done or said. Nor does it make pro-scum demands of me. > > If accusation == vote, that is. You misunderstand me. I’m stating that a simple accusation of lying is not anti-town. I’m not going to argue against that. That doesn’t mean I agree with it, though. My issue with you is your fishing demands and then your vote for me after I refused to be fished. That is anti-town and why I am voting for you. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ I am equally suspicious of **Meeko** , **MHaye** and **peekercpa** and will vote to lynch any of them. Since, ignoring my vote, **peeker** is in the lead among them, I switch my vote to them. **unvote** **vote peekercpa** **vote Meeko** **vote MHaye** ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1763 "2010-08-26T05:07:06Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > **vote peekercpa** > **vote Meeko** > **vote MHaye** And just to remind others why I want to lynch each of them: **peekercpa** , for anti-town post spamming; **Meeko** , for fishing and for voting me for refusing to be fished; and **MHaye** , for implicitly referring to out-of-thread communications. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1764 "2010-08-26T05:41:37Z")
So, I was thinking: With as big a bandwagon as there was on **Plankton** , I’d expect at least some Scum to want to be on that bandwagon, so as not to stand out. But when Scum join a bandwagon on one of their own, I would expect them to use either relatively weak arguments, or me-too previous arguments, since, while they want to get credit for the vote if their teammate swings, they also don’t actually want to convince anyone else to vote that way. With that in mind, I went through and looked at the history of why people were voting for **Plankton** : [372: I vote him for nonparticipation](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12798267#post12798267). Retracted in 542, once he’d started being more active. [576: He makes his post about 22 people trying to kill him](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12804133#post12804133). This is significant in many of the votes on him. [578: Telcontar votes him for broad-spectrum smudging.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12804162#post12804162) Incidentally, the folks he smudged are **USCDiver** , myself (Chronos), **cucuy** , **peeker** , **ed** , and the lurkers. As a new player, might he have been inclined to smudge mostly Town players? This might be a point in favor of those people. [596: Red Skeezix votes him because paranoia is a Scum/PFK tell, and because Scum like to incite LtL without actually voting](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12804923#post12804923). Incidentally, can anyone back up that paranoia really is a non-Town tell? [639: Hoopy votes him for opposing me revealing role-name](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12806245#post12806245). He also calls out **ed** for the same reason, but doesn’t vote him. [643: Oredigger votes him for throwing shit and hoping some sticks](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12806358#post12806358), though (unlike Telcontar), he doesn’t call out very many examples of smudging. [644: Pleonast votes him for wishy-washiness and paranoia](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12806379#post12806379) [739: cucuy votes him for pointing out a lot but not committing](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12809007#post12809007) [774: Chipacabra votes him because self-preservation is not a townie virtue](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12811248#post12811248) [797: Nanook votes him for sticking too stubbornly on **Pleonast**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12812055#post12812055) [881: Plankton’s claim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12812055#post12812055). At this point, he’s got a pretty solid eight votes, if I’m not miscounting. Not much of note, I think, after this point: Several folks unvoted him to give his claim the benefit of the doubt, and everyone who voted him after this point did so based on the inconsistencies in his PM, as pointed out by **Gadarene**. This does credit to **Gadarene** , but I think is a null tell for everyone else who voted or unvoted him. The one odd thing here is **Wanderers** : In [1097](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12817619#post12817619), he voted him for the claim being bad, but then in [1131](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12818181#post12818181) unvoted him to give him a chance to investigate. On the one hand, I can’t see a Townie reason to vote and then unvote him (as opposed to the other way around, like a couple of folks did) at this point. On the other hand, though, I also can’t see much Scum motivation, given that the unvote was a half an hour before the end of the Day, and so there was no realistic chance that he’d end up escaping the noose. The votes before the claim, though, bear a closer look: **Hoopy** ’s vote looks a bit weak to me, since he could have gone with either **Plankton** or **ed** , and anyway a bad idea isn’t a Scum tell. **Oredigger** ’s stated reason for voting doesn’t really seem to correspond to what he’d been highlighting in that post, and is largely a me-too of **Telcontar** ’s. I’m not really sure what **cucuy** meant with his vote reason. **Chipacabra** ’s vote is for the paranoia, effectively a me-too of **Pleonast** and **Red Skeezix**. **Nanook** ’s vote is for a new reason, but it seems rather a weak reason to me. Now, obviously, I don’t think that all of these people are Scum, since six people would be an absolutely huge Scum team, and besides I also think **ed** is Scum. But they might be worth looking at more. I also considered doing a similar look at the current bandwagon on **Chipacabra** , but man, that took a long time. Maybe I’ll do it toMorrow: It’ll be more meaningful once we know **Chip** ’s alignment, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1765 "2010-08-26T06:48:25Z")
I’ve decided, with some misgivings, that there’s enough of a case against Chipacabra to justify a vote. **Vote Chipacabra**. Firstly, I spent a little time verifying Hoopy’s claim that Chip made several posts attempting to save Suburban Plankton from the noose. That’s not (in itself) enough to convict, as it might also arise from a conviction that SP was Town, but there is no evidence that Chipacabra is so convinced; indeed the reverse is true since Chip maintained that SP could be one of SAHM whatever alignment Ed turned out to have. Chip’s reasons for shifting his vote included something I would describe as risk management; that is, if we accept the two claims at face value, losing a Vanilla Townie loses less than a claimed Investigator (see [post=12816099]post 1024[/post].) That’s obviously correct, but ignores the largest single part of the case against SP at that point, to whit that his claimed PM was wildly out of sync with the vanilla role PM. The lack of addressing this major plank in the case when people were using it as grounds to _re_vote, is somewhat suspicious. A Townie would have at least mentioned it, surely – if only to acknowledge its strength. Then I came to [post=12816232]post 1032[/post], in which Chip gets self-contradictory in the space of a single paragraph. > [@](#): > > The Ed plankton connection is that I believe that if Ed is scum, there are scenarios where Ed’s behavior is to try to protect another scum. From what I have seen of previous games, Ed is too good of a player to make an obvious attempt to rescue a fellow scum in trouble. But posting that role list put the idea of denethor = palantir out there, on the chance that it makes Plankton’s claim more credible. Chip states that a possible motive for Ed-of-the-SAHMs to put the palantir-users out there is to help make a fellow-SAHM’s claim more credible, _even though_ he’d just said that Ed is “too good of a player” to make an obvious attempt to rescue a fellow SAHM in trouble. So, if Special Ed was one of SAHM, he wouldn’t do what Chip claimed he did _because_ he was one of SAHM. That’s trying to have your cake and eat it. If Chip is one of SAHM, then Ed isn’t; there’s no point in one of SAHM throwing their weight around to change which of two other SAHM get lynched unless the one they’re trying to save is pivotal for SAHM. A vanilla Minion isn’t worth the risk. If, however, Chip flips AoL, then that says nothing about Special Ed. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1766 "2010-08-26T11:06:09Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > > [@Meeko](#): > > > > **Is this going to be a No Comment?** > > No comment. **Let’s play with some fire here.** It might just be a single match from a match book, or it might be Fourth of July Fireworks. Either way, my crayons need some help here. **Unvote All** \*\* Vote Peeker Vote Pleonast Vote Peeker Vote Pleonast Vote Peeker \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1767 "2010-08-26T12:12:58Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > And just to remind others why I want to lynch each of them: > **peekercpa** , for anti-town post spamming; > **Meeko** , for fishing and for voting me for refusing to be fished; and > **MHaye** , for implicitly referring to out-of-thread communications. Except, as we saw from **Suburban** , the scum PMs refer to them as Servants of Darkness. Why would you think that SAHM would be the acronym that scum would use to refer to each other on the scum board, rather than, say, SoD? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1768 "2010-08-26T12:27:28Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > > [@Pleonast](#): > > > > And just to remind others why I want to lynch each of them: > > **peekercpa** , for anti-town post spamming; > > **Meeko** , for fishing and for voting me for refusing to be fished; and > > **MHaye** , for implicitly referring to out-of-thread communications. > > Except, as we saw from **Suburban** , the scum PMs refer to them as Servants of Darkness. Why would you think that SAHM would be the acronym that scum would use to refer to each other on the scum board, rather than, say, SoD? It was a double reverse slip! You’re right, and Servants of Darkness is all over Mahaloth’s post 1 introducing the game. SAHM seems to come from the Town PM. So, MHaye was using a different term in the Scum thread in case he accidentally used it in the main thread. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1769 "2010-08-26T12:29:06Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > i like where my vote is currently and would strongly suggest that other townies move there as well. mixed it up a little bit and then has backed off. plus he is a son of a gun and if he is scum lord help us. and if he is town he isn’t doing jack as far as i am concerned. his vote for someone who basically did the same thing that he did just is disjointed. > > Well the reason I’ve backed off is that I’ve got a lot going down in work and life right now, and it’s not as if there really has been a lot of new information to comment on in the last day-and-a-half or so. Most of it has been incomprehensible, inside joke, rehashing, or incomprehensible inside joke rehashing. > > And I’ve already addressed the difference between me and Chip. Just because you keep repeating that it’s disjointed doesn’t mean it is. Repetition doesn’t make something become true no matter how much you would like to believe otherwise. > > But…if it’s any consolation to you, should Chip come up scum, you’re likely going to get my next vote. I’ve got some half-formed thoughts, but I need to think on them some more before I can present a clear case. Also, I don’t have time to elaborate a case right now anyway and will likely be unable to get on again before Day end. Plus, the case will probably fall apart if Chip is town. and **hoopy** i understand about real life so if my comment was out of line then i sincerely apologize. but just because you say it isn’t disjointed doesn’t make it not, either. apparantly we are going to have to agree to disagree. and i tend to surmise that regardless of how **chip** flips i will be next on the block if i live through the Night. although i cant see how scum would target me for a kill since i think they would be smart enough to let town do their job for them the next Day. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1770 "2010-08-26T12:46:36Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > and one last thing on the “handshake” thing. i don’t think it has been proven to be at all effective, but i do believe **ed** was town each time he has tried it. > > > > and it is a strategy that i really don’t think is the right play. > > **Peeker** , where are you currently with **Pleonast’s** claim? i don’t know. it’s a ploy that has certain advantages initially for both teams. town won’t want to lynch a claimed power role (although we did a standout job with **burb** ) and scum won’t necessarily want to fire that way in case he is a self protecting doc. but with a dead doc i can’t see how he lives through the Night if he is being truthful. and we obviously play this game markedly differently so i can only comment on what i think, not what he is actually doing. and i am sure that **pleo** will spin this to be fishing, but meh, it’s not. assuming that he is being truthful he’s smart enough that scum will most likely target him. now if he did anything last Night it would seem like the correct move would be to provide that information to town. i mean unless he is a dick and investigated **telcontar** in which case roll the dice and hope you live and get another investigation under your belt. all i know is that although his play would not be what i would have done. and his reaction to other’s reactions is really funky. in conclusion i won’t be voting for him in the near future because i think it resolves itself in the next Day or so. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1771 "2010-08-26T13:04:19Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > > [@Meeko](#): > > > > **Peeker** , where are you currently with **Pleonast’s** claim? > > i don’t know. it’s a ploy that has certain advantages initially for both teams. town won’t want to lynch a claimed power role (although we did a standout job with **burb** ) and scum won’t necessarily want to fire that way in case he is a self protecting doc. but with a dead doc i can’t see how he lives through the Night if he is being truthful. But how would Scum know if he’s being truthful or not? I mean, obviously they would know if he was Town, but beyond that he could be a vanilla hoping to be NKed, to protect the true power roles. That’s the WIFOM game he’s playing with Scum, if he’s Town. You already know my opinion on it, because I stated it earlier toDay. I don’t necessarily think he’s vanilla, because if he’s forced to role claim he has to admit he was lying, which will most likely get him lynched. And the most likely power role for him to have been to try that gambit is dead (and if someone else is proven to be a Scotsman, then **Pleo** needs to die with a quickness). Another thing I don’t understand is the weird multi-voting. Yeah yeah yeah. We all get that you think it’s superior. However, you’re in a game that doesn’t have it, so can you just knock it the eff off unless your role requires it for some reason that nobody can see? It’s confusing and obnoxious, and this game has enough obnoxiousness without that. You too, **Meeko** –as a claimed vanilla, you have NO reason to be doing it. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1772 "2010-08-26T13:22:02Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > i don’t know. it’s a ploy that has certain advantages initially for both teams. town won’t want to lynch a claimed power role (although we did a standout job with **burb** ) and scum won’t necessarily want to fire that way in case he is a self protecting doc. but with a dead doc i can’t see how he lives through the Night if he is being truthful. > > But how would Scum know if he’s being truthful or not? I mean, obviously they would know if he was Town, but beyond that he could be a vanilla hoping to be NKed, to protect the true power roles. That’s the WIFOM game he’s playing with Scum, if he’s Town. > > You already know my opinion on it, because I stated it earlier toDay. I don’t necessarily think he’s vanilla, because if he’s forced to role claim he has to admit he was lying, which will most likely get him lynched. And the most likely power role for him to have been to try that gambit is dead (and if someone else is proven to be a Scotsman, then **Pleo** needs to die with a quickness). Another thing I don’t understand is the weird multi-voting. Yeah yeah yeah. We all get that you think it’s superior. However, you’re in a game that doesn’t have it, so can you just knock it the eff off unless your role requires it for some reason that nobody can see? It’s confusing and obnoxious, and this game has enough obnoxiousness without that. You too, **Meeko** –as a claimed vanilla, you have NO reason to be doing it. actually **drain** i think multi voting is a farce (but at least i was voting for the same person :)). i was merely being a smart ass. i will not do it again. and maybe this is a question for the mod but i will ask it to the general popluation at large, as well. if a scotsman is targeted for NK will they know that someone tried to kill them and now they are down to one life? additionally, would the targeter merely be told that their kill did not go through? i really don’t know the answer and maybe it is game specific rather than universal. ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1773 "2010-08-26T13:32:15Z")
> [@special ed](#): > > But looking for Scum motivation in the voting is telling. > > If Chip is Scum, he needs some reason to unvote him and vote me. The planned claim could have been made all along. He can make up a weak reason to vote me (the 2nd place guy). > > And an investigator is an easier claim to fake in my opinion. A weak ass limited investigator even more so. I’m not certain his reason to vote you as the 2nd place guy was all that weak - it’s pretty easy to characterize the handshake as scum motivated. You out \*\*Chronos \*\*with a weird “gotcha” game as well as possibly identify other town power roles… It’s not too hard to see scum intentions behind all that. > [@special ed](#): > > Anyway, back to the task at hand. Can we lynch Chip? Do we have another calendar day to go? Hmmm. I think you’re just speaking off the cuff here (or maybe due to frustration over the course of this Day, which I agree with), but one could also read this as wanting \*\*Chip \*\*dead. And the two roles thing. I don’t know what do to with that. Is it possible that \*\*Mahaloth \*\*screwed up and accidently sent you something meant for someone else, like you’ve alluded? Sure. Is there a far simpler reason why you might be in possession of two roles? Occam’s razor says yep. But (conveniently?) you can’t say any more about it. Sorry, **ed**. I’m reluctantly thinking that right now, you look the scummiest of the lot. **Vote special ed.** ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1774 "2010-08-26T14:50:53Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > You too, **Meeko** –as a claimed vanilla, you have NO reason to be doing it. I think that being Vanilla gives you all the reasons in the world to do anything and everything you can eke out. **[In fact, if a Vanilla doesn’t get out there and scribble, I’m not sure their value.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMU-wXsgyR8)** I’ve seen more than one game with vanilla role verbiage similar to the following: You have no powers beyond the right to participate in the daily vote,\*\* and your god given wits. \*\* Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose. [And if a Vanilla means nothing…] Nothing don’t mean Nothing honey if it ain’t free. Wow, I think I just pulled a Peeker. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1775 "2010-08-26T14:59:54Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > > > You too, **Meeko** –as a claimed vanilla, you have NO reason to be doing it. > > I think that being Vanilla gives you all the reasons in the world to do anything and everything you can eke out. > > **[In fact, if a Vanilla doesn’t get out there and scribble, I’m not sure their value.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMU-wXsgyR8)** > > I’ve seen more than one game with vanilla role verbiage similar to the following: > > You have no powers beyond the right to participate in the daily vote,\*\* and your god given wits. \*\* > > Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose. [And if a Vanilla means nothing…] Nothing don’t mean Nothing honey if it ain’t free. > Wow, I think I just pulled a Peeker. well most of my video links do have some lotr content. and yes, vanilla have to make their own way. sometimes pissing folks off in the process. and typically having to make decisions based on less than perfect information. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1776 "2010-08-26T15:01:39Z")
neta: and decisions really should read more along the line of decisions/conclusions/deductions/assumptions. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1777 "2010-08-26T15:06:42Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > well most of my video links do have some lotr content. > > and yes, vanilla have to make their own way. sometimes pissing folks off in the process. and typically having to make decisions based on less than perfect information. Well, I’m partial to the video, and it makes my point all the same. I think I got the pissed off part down pat. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1778 "2010-08-26T15:08:08Z")
Quoth **MHaye** : > [@](#): > > If Chip is one of SAHM, then Ed isn’t; there’s no point in one of SAHM throwing their weight around to change which of two other SAHM get lynched unless the one they’re trying to save is pivotal for SAHM. A vanilla Minion isn’t worth the risk. If, however, Chip flips AoL, then that says nothing about Special Ed. This is a good point, and if **Chip** flips Scum, I’ll reconsider my vote on **special ed**. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1779 "2010-08-26T15:19:07Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Except, as we saw from **Suburban** , the scum PMs refer to them as Servants of Darkness. Why would you think that SAHM would be the acronym that scum would use to refer to each other on the scum board, rather than, say, SoD? Apparently, no one else actually read **MHaye** ’s stated reason for using “SAHM”, since this is something like the third player who’s asked a variant of this question. I believe his explanation for why he used the term. It’s how he used it that garners my suspicion. > [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Another thing I don’t understand is the weird multi-voting. Yeah yeah yeah. We all get that you think it’s superior. However, you’re in a game that doesn’t have it, so can you just knock it the eff off unless your role requires it for some reason that nobody can see? It’s confusing and obnoxious, and this game has enough obnoxiousness without that. Sorry, but I disagree. It’s my duty to lynch scum, so I am going to be loud about who I think needs to be lynched. I’m not sure why that’s confusing to you. I’m fairly explicit about why I want to lynch who I want to lynch. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867/1780 "2010-08-26T15:27:07Z")
> [@](#): > > Apparently, no one else actually read MHaye’s stated reason for using “SAHM”, since this is something like the third player who’s asked a variant of this question. I believe his explanation for why he used the term. It’s how he used it that garners my suspicion. As I understand it, your argument is that his use of the term without explanation implies that he had already explained it to someone else, correct? Which still leaves the question, why would a scummy **MHaye** have used the term on the Scum board? It’s just not the kind of thing the Scum bother talking about. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=88) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lord-of-the-rings-mafia/549867.md?page=90)