# Lori Vallow, Chad Daybell and the missing kids: zombies, a cult and more! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 25, 2020, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231 "2020-03-25T04:09:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/22 "2020-06-10T17:49:23Z")
Not that we yet know whose “human remains” were found on the property - but in the event that ol’ Chad is responsible, how do killers live with the knowledge that dead bodies are rotting away on their property (or worse, buried in the basement or crawl spaces)? Forensic Files has had multiple cases where victims were stashed in the basement, the backyard or in a well. In one case, a guy put his victim in a steel drum, found it was too heavy to maneuver and just left it in a basement storage area where it sat for many years. Eventually a new homeowner got the drum out to the curb for disposal, it was refused as weighing too much and someone took a look inside. :eek: Out of sight, out of mind? ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/23 "2020-06-10T20:44:36Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Not that we yet know whose “human remains” were found on the property - but in the event that ol’ Chad is responsible, how do killers live with the knowledge that dead bodies are rotting away on their property (or worse, buried in the basement or crawl spaces)? > > Forensic Files has had multiple cases where victims were stashed in the basement, the backyard or in a well. In one case, a guy put his victim in a steel drum, found it was too heavy to maneuver and just left it in a basement storage area where it sat for many years. Eventually a new homeowner got the drum out to the curb for disposal, it was refused as weighing too much and someone took a look inside. :eek: > > Out of sight, out of mind? Or “out of smell, out of mind”, anyway. Psychopaths see people as objects, and what do you do with a broken object you can’t get rid of? You shove it in the basement somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/24 "2020-06-10T20:49:12Z")
Confirmed. The remains are the two missing children. Autopsies pending. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/25 "2020-06-10T23:23:33Z")
[Aye.](https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/family-human-remains-found-on-chad-daybells-property-belong-to-jj-vallow-tylee-ryan) > [@](#): > > Amidst the latest developments in the case on Wednesday, family members of both the children and Daybell released separate statements. > > The families of JJ and Tylee released a joint statement that reads: > > “We are filled with unfathomable sadness that these two bright stars were stolen from us, and only hope that they died without pain or suffering. Official statements from The Rexburg Police, The Medical Examiner and the FBI will be released soon.” > > Meanwhile, Daybell’s brother, Matt Daybell, released a statement that reads: > > “Some in our extended family are still struggling to accept the reality that Chad could have been involved in something so terribly wrong. On behalf of myself, my wife Heather, and our 4 children, we express our most sincere sympathies to Larry and Kay and to JJ and Tylee’s entire extended families. We are devastated by today’s news and the apparent role that Chad has played in what has transpired.” > > The Cox family has also issued a statement. > > "The Cox family – Janis and Barry, Summer, Melani and Ian – is deeply saddened by the recent findings in the investigation into the whereabouts of J.J. and Tylee. Their love for them knows no bounds. > > The family has maintained a strong hope and belief that they were alive and well. With that hope and belief apparently shattered, they struggle to find comfort and hope in this potential new reality. They miss J.J. and Tylee very much. > > The family is very grateful to those who have expended so much time and effort in trying to locate them. The family expresses their deep and abiding love for J.J. and Tylee. > > The family will continue to closely watch the developing situation and will anxiously await the pending conclusions with heavy hearts. The family extends their gratitude to all those who have expressed their love and concern for J.J. and Tylee and feels the strength of their faith and prayers." ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/26 "2020-06-11T00:35:13Z")
This is nuts. I think I need a diagram to follow it all. I hope murder charges follow quickly. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/27 "2020-06-11T00:42:46Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > The third is love of money. Next is, “Love and Memories”. (God, I hate that song…) ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/28 "2020-06-11T02:24:43Z")
Coming soon to Netflix/Amazon/HBO (probably not Disney) will be this bizarre sequel to “Tiger King” with even more reprehensible characters. Help me out with a title here - and yes, I am going to hell in a handbasket. ---
**Author:** ![dogbutler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dogbutler/32/428_2.png) [@dogbutler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dogbutler)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/29 "2020-06-11T04:29:21Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > Coming soon to Netflix/Amazon/HBO (probably not Disney) will be this bizarre sequel to “Tiger King” with even more reprehensible characters. > > Help me out with a title here - and yes, I am going to hell in a handbasket. I think “Red Wedding” is taken. Got room in that handvbasket? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/30 "2020-06-11T05:31:35Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > The third is love of money. The third is who gets to hold the remote. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/31 "2020-06-11T16:49:23Z")
That is a scary couple. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2020, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/32 "2020-06-12T23:47:02Z")
What’s boggling my mind is the fact that the country is so royally fucked up right now that this royally fucked up story is pretty much being ignored. At any other time, this shit would have captivated the nation. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/33 "2020-06-14T16:30:49Z")
[Police confirm it was the kids’ remains that were found](https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/13/us/missing-idaho-children-remains-identified/index.html). > [@](#): > > Idaho police confirmed the two sets of human remains found at Chad Daybell’s home were those of two missing children who had not been seen since September, according to a news release issued Saturday. > > Daybell is married to Lori Vallow, the mother of the children, 17-year-old Tylee Ryan and 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow. > > A search warrant was executed Tuesday at Daybell’s home in Fremont County, near the Wyoming border, where the remains were found. After being taken to the medical examiner’s office, the bodies were identified as JJ and Tylee. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2020, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/34 "2020-06-15T11:00:30Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Police confirm it was the kids’ remains that were found](https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/13/us/missing-idaho-children-remains-identified/index.html). I’m really curious about _why_ they killed the kids, and how they expected to get away with it. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2020, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/35 "2020-06-15T13:05:53Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > I’m really curious about _why_ they killed the kids, and how they expected to get away with it. Yeah, why couldn’t they just tell the kids “You didn’t see it, you didn’t hear it, you’ll never tell anyone” and then the kids would become psychosomatically blind, deaf, and dumb and spend their lives playing pinball. ---
**Author:** ![kitap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b9e5f3/32.png) [@kitap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kitap)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2020, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/36 "2020-06-15T13:29:37Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > I’m really curious about _why_ they killed the kids, and how they expected to get away with it. Money, for one thing. She kept cashing the disability and survivor benefit checks the children received. And Tylee wanted to move in with the grandparents and take JJ with her. I believe Tylee if not Tyler and JJ are believed to have witnessed one of the murders. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2020, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/37 "2020-06-15T14:14:39Z")
Interestingly, Chad Daybell is an author. He has [many books for sale on Amazon](https://www.amazon.com/Chad-Daybell/e/B001JOVC6M). ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2020, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/38 "2020-06-15T14:28:56Z")
For some reason, I want to know how the kids died. And then I want to know how Lori & Chad die. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2020, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/39 "2020-08-03T07:55:21Z")
Preliminary hearing today: > **[Court hearing held in notorious case of children's deaths](https://apnews.com/93e27cfbcce1bd86a21fa086ecb7d94b)** > > BOISE, Idaho (AP) — A detective Monday described in excruciating details how investigators unearthed the remains of two children who had been missing for months while searching the rural Idaho property of a man charged with concealing evidence... ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2020, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/40 "2020-08-03T22:23:11Z")
Unpleasant details were revealed in today’s hearing: > [@](#): > > Rexburg Police Detective Ray Hermosillo said “JJ” Vallow’s body was found beneath fresh sod, under which were three large white flat rocks in a row and then a piece of wood paneling. He said the body was buried in a black plastic bag covered in duct tape. > > He said when the body was taken to the medical examiner’s office, investigators found a white plastic garbage bag over the boy’s head covered with layers of tightly wound duct tape. Hermosillo said the boy’s wrists and ankles were also bound with duct tape, and that more duct tape bound together his forearms over his chest. The boy was dressed in red pajamas and was wearing black socks. > > Hermosillo testified that the girl’s body was found a short distance away. He said they found evidence that the remains appeared to have been burned. ---
**Author:** ![StGermain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stgermain/32/2868_2.png) [@StGermain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StGermain)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/41 "2020-08-04T00:15:33Z")
Those poor kids. I’m not a fan of the death penalty, not even in this case, but I want Chad and Lori Daybell to understand and feel guilty about what they’ve done. Being found guilty isn’t enough, I want them to _feel_ guilty. I want them to have to live with remorse every day. Unfortunately, I don’t think that will happen. They may be found guilty, but they’ll always justify it to themselves. StG [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231.md?page=3)