# Lori Vallow, Chad Daybell and the missing kids: zombies, a cult and more! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 25, 2020, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231 "2020-03-25T04:09:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![LLCoolL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/llcooll/32/3596_2.png) [@LLCoolL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LLCoolL)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2020, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/42 "2020-08-05T17:47:13Z")
At least one of them is a sociopath, if not both. Sociopaths don’t feel remorse. They may know how to fake it. They watch how other people react to situations, and then imitate them. So you may see remorse from them on the witness stand, but I wouldn’t bet on it being real. One of them seems likely to turn on the other pretty soon. If only one is the psychopath, and the other a pathetic follower - the psycho is more likely to flip. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2020, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/43 "2020-08-05T18:20:12Z")
There can never be justice. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2020, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/44 "2020-08-05T19:17:08Z")
> [@LLCoolL](#): > > At least one of them is a sociopath, if not both. Sociopaths don’t feel remorse. > > They may know how to fake it. They watch how other people react to situations, and then imitate them. So you may see remorse from them on the witness stand, but I wouldn’t bet on it being real. > > One of them seems likely to turn on the other pretty soon. If only one is the psychopath, and the other a pathetic follower - the psycho is more likely to flip. You’re talking about two people who may each have killed their spouses, who then murdered two children and then killed an accomplice to cover it up. I’m just not getting a “pathetic follower” vibe from either of them. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2021, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/45 "2021-02-09T05:49:19Z")
The autopsy of Tammy Daybell has been completed: > **[Autopsy completed in investigation of Tammy Daybell's death](https://www.idahopress.com/news/local/autopsy-completed-in-investigation-of-tammy-daybells-death/article_7d7b7ba2-2694-502a-8a4f-983b1ae0ff99.html)** > > The Fremont County Sheriff’s Office announced Thursday it had received an autopsy report for Tammy Daybell’s body, more than a year after her remains were exhumed. ---
**Author:** ![erysichthon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@erysichthon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erysichthon)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2021, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/46 "2021-03-03T11:47:22Z")
I’m still trying to get caught up on this case; I was barely aware of it until a few weeks ago. ABC devoted a 20/20 episode to the case last week; I just watched it on Hulu. Although it’s an 80 minute episode, it felt rushed, as if there was too much information to fit into that timeslot. NBC’s Keith Morrison has a podcast about the case, “Mommy Doomsday,” which goes into more detail. There are five episodes (I don’t know if there will be more than that). ---
**Author:** ![StGermain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stgermain/32/2868_2.png) [@StGermain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StGermain)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/47 "2021-05-26T02:37:47Z")
[Lori and Chad Daybell have been charged with murder for JJ & Tylee today](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aSeR4F_OEk). It would’ve been JJ’s 9th birthday. Charges are still pending for Tammy Daybell’s death. StG ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/48 "2021-05-26T03:34:32Z")
Thanks for spotting that, **StGermain**. Here’s a local print story as well: > **[Chad and Lori Daybell indicted for murders of JJ Vallow, Tylee Ryan and Tammy...](https://www.eastidahonews.com/2021/05/chad-and-lori-daybell-indicted-for-murders-of-jj-vallow-tylee-ryan-and-tammy-daybell/)** > > ST. ANTHONY — Chad and Lori Vallow Daybell have been indicted on first-degree murder charges for the deaths of Tammy Daybell, Tylee Ryan and Joshua “JJ” Vallow. Madison County Prosecuting Attorney Rob Wood made the announcement during a news... ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2021, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/49 "2021-05-26T04:43:56Z")
Why do these things take so long? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/50 "2021-05-28T11:34:57Z")
Whoa; check this news out: > **[Arizona charge sought for woman accused in Idaho killings](https://apnews.com/article/az-state-wire-idaho-arizona-shootings-005c4fb8f71e2609a2b79de8fc5afa1c)** > > PHOENIX (AP) — Police say a woman charged in Idaho with murder in the deaths of her daughter and son after their disappearances should face an additional criminal charge in suburban Phoenix in the 2019 killing of her estranged husband. > [@](#): > > Investigators have recommended that prosecutors file a conspiracy to commit murder charge against Daybell in the death of Charles Vallow, who was killed in Chandler, Arizona, months before his son, 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow, and stepdaughter, 17-year-old Tylee Ryan, went missing. > > The recommendation was revealed Thursday by the Chandler Police Department, which investigated the case. Jennifer Liewer, a spokeswoman for county prosecutors in metro Phoenix, said the agency hasn’t set a deadline for determining whether to charge Daybell in Charles Vallow’s death. Mark Means, a lawyer for Daybell in the Idaho case, didn’t immediately return a call and email Thursday seeking comment on his client’s behalf. And: > [@](#): > > Meanwhile, Lori Vallow Daybell was declared not competent to stand trial in Idaho, according to an order filed Thursday morning in a Fremont, Idaho, County court. The Idaho Statesman [reported](https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article251725023.html) Daybell now needs restorative treatment and must be returned to competency before her criminal case in Idaho can move forward. The order notes that prosecutors are contesting the outcome and a hearing will be needed. Link to the original _Idaho Statesman_ story embedded above, eh. ---
**Author:** ![StGermain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stgermain/32/2868_2.png) [@StGermain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StGermain)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/51 "2021-05-28T14:17:41Z")
And I find it awfully convenient that her brother, who killed her husband, died of “natural causes”. He was also one of the last people to see the kids alive. I’d be digging him up, pronto. StG ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2021, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/52 "2021-05-30T23:04:50Z")
> [@StGermain](#): > > And I find it awfully convenient that her brother, who killed her husband, died of “natural causes”. He was also one of the last people to see the kids alive. I’d be digging him up, pronto. I’d totally forgot about him. These two are such a clusterfuck it’s hard to keep track. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2021, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/53 "2021-06-30T19:31:35Z")
Lori Vallow has been indicted in the death of her husband, Charles Vallow. > **[Lori Vallow indicted in 2019 killing of her fourth husband](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/lori-vallow-indicted-2019-killing-ex-husband-n1272675)** > > Vallow has already been charged in the deaths of her two children. She is accused of conspiring with her brother in the killing of her ex-husband. > [@](#): > > Vallow is charged with one count of conspiracy to commit first degree murder, the Maricopa County Attorney’s Office said in a [statement](https://www.maricopacountyattorney.org/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=820). A grand jury charged her on Thursday. > > Vallow is accused of agreeing with her brother, Alex Cox, to kill Vallow’s husband, Charles Vallow, in 2019. Before Charles Vallow died, he had filed for divorce. > > Cox called 911 on July 11, 2019, and said he fatally shot Charles Vallow, the Maricopa County Attorney’s Office said. He claimed self-defense and was never charged. Cox died in December of 2019 of what the medical examiner ruled [was natural causes](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/brother-lori-vallow-died-natural-causes-medical-examiner-says-n1203771) involving a blood clot. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2021, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/54 "2021-07-17T21:50:07Z")
Not sure how I missed this but Lori Vallow was declared unfit for trial back in May: > **[Lori Vallow Daybell ruled unfit to stand trial on charges related to kids'...](https://abc7.com/lori-vallow-unfit-to-stand-trial-chad-daybell-update-court-appearance/10707339/)** > > Lori Vallow Daybell has been found incompetent to stand trial in separate court proceedings related to the deaths of her two children. Today there was a release of law enforcement emails related to the case (note that this is a transcript of a 3 minute live video report Mr. Lum did; linked below also): > **[Newly-released e-mails provide deeper look into Lori Vallow investigation](https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/newly-released-e-mails-provide-deeper-look-into-lori-vallow-investigation)** > > The e-mails were released after Lori Vallow was indicted in Maricopa County. Lori Vallow is indicted for who is indicted for allegedly killing her two kids, as well as conspiring to kill her ex-husband. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/NqkJ6ZsSo7U/hqdefault.jpg "E-mails released by police give deeper look into Lori Vallow investigation") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqkJ6ZsSo7U) ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2023, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/55 "2023-04-11T13:58:09Z")
Bumped: Lori’s trial started yesterday. Should be interesting. > **[Lori Vallow Daybell, Idaho mother accused of killing her children and...](https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/10/us/lori-vallow-daybell-murder-trial/index.html)** > > An Idaho mother who is accused of killing her two children and conspiring to kill her husband's ex-wife was motivated by "money, power and sex," prosecutors said as opening statements in her trial began Monday, according to CNN affiliate East Idaho... ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2023, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/56 "2023-07-31T17:56:48Z")
> **[Idaho mom Lori Vallow Daybell faces sentencing in deaths of 2 children and...](https://apnews.com/article/lori-vallow-daybell-doomsday-plot-sentence-1e0a1cfa1f4e67b4dbb7b43cba86156d)** > > Idaho mother Lori Vallow Daybell faces up to life in prison without parole when she is expected to be sentenced Monday in the murders of her two youngest children and a romantic rival. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2023, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/57 "2023-07-31T18:37:00Z")
What an awful person. Too bad she can’t be made to feel the pain her kids did. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2023, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/58 "2023-07-31T18:40:51Z")
5 life terms. Not really enough, but nothing will be enough. What a piece of garbage. Addressing the judge at the sentencing she said her children came back from heaven to tell her she wasn’t guilty and they love her. Human filth. ETA: CNN announced 5 life sentences. Details in other reports don’t state a number yet. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2023, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/59 "2023-07-31T18:40:52Z")
> **[Lori Vallow Daybell sentenced to life in prison for murders of her 2 children...](https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/31/us/lori-vallow-daybell-sentencing/index.html)** > > Idaho mother Lori Vallow Daybell was sentenced Monday to life in prison without the possibility of parole after her conviction earlier this year in the murders of two of her children and for conspiring in the murder of her husband’s first wife. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2024, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231/60 "2024-06-02T03:00:43Z")
Chad Daybell sentenced to death for killings of his wife and his girlfriend’s two children > **[Chad Daybell sentenced to death for killing wife and girlfriend’s two...](https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/chad-daybell-sentenced-to-death-for-killing-wife-and-girlfriend-s-two-children-in-jury-decision-1.6909913)** > > Jurors resumed deliberations Saturday on whether a man should be sentenced to death after being convicted days earlier of the murders of his wife and his girlfriend’s two youngest children in Idaho. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lori-vallow-chad-daybell-and-the-missing-kids-zombies-a-cult-and-more/850231.md?page=2)