# Loser in Oklahoma U.S. House primary claims his opponent is a body double **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 27, 2014, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loser-in-oklahoma-u-s-house-primary-claims-his-opponent-is-a-body-double/691807 "2014-06-27T19:25:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Calatin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/439d5e/32.png) [@Calatin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calatin)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loser-in-oklahoma-u-s-house-primary-claims-his-opponent-is-a-body-double/691807/1 "2014-06-27T19:25:11Z")
So, Tim Murray is protesting the results of this week’s election, because he is [claiming that the victor, Representative Frank Lucas, well… isn’t](http://kfor.com/2014/06/26/congressional-candidate-feels-opponent-is-a-body-double/). Instead, he claims that the real Frank Lucas was killed in 2011 in Ukraine. The truly good stuff comes from the man’s [campaign website](http://www.timothyraymurray.com/), where he promises, among other things “[he] will NEVER use Artificial Intelligence look alike to voice what The Representative’s Office is doing nor own a robot look alike.” Typical politician… delivering promises that he doesn’t intend to keep. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loser-in-oklahoma-u-s-house-primary-claims-his-opponent-is-a-body-double/691807/2 "2014-06-27T19:32:38Z")
Oh, good. He ran two years ago as a Democrat but switched to the Republican party this time around. Well, that’s good, because I think we all know that Democrats are soft on the robot-look-alikes issue. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loser-in-oklahoma-u-s-house-primary-claims-his-opponent-is-a-body-double/691807/3 "2014-06-27T19:33:09Z")
It’s Oklahoma; I’ve lost the capability of surprise when it comes to that neck of the woods. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loser-in-oklahoma-u-s-house-primary-claims-his-opponent-is-a-body-double/691807/4 "2014-06-27T19:48:07Z")
He has some kind of mold problem: > [@](#): > > I do not agree with Democrats that believes that the Federal Government should direct your life, like telling you how and where you should care for your family, like telling you what is required for their mold of social significance, with restricting your mold in Education, and that seek to direct how your finial or disabled days are spent. Has he tried bleach, I wonder? I’ve had good luck getting rid of mold with Clorox. ---
**Author:** ![Calatin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/439d5e/32.png) [@Calatin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calatin)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loser-in-oklahoma-u-s-house-primary-claims-his-opponent-is-a-body-double/691807/5 "2014-06-27T19:53:44Z")
> [@](#): > > This is a situation similar to the Senators’ from Kentucky situation in the 2012 election. I am contesting that this matter has happen since his election was blocked, because of the U.S. Defense Department’s use of Mr. Murray’s DNA. To my knowledge, the U.S. Defense Department has not released to the public that information, as it is their confidential information about many people. Congress is likely wanting me to state that all my DNA used will not result in benefits to people I have never had relations with of a family nature. So, is he saying that the Department of Defense can prove he hasn’t committed incest? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loser-in-oklahoma-u-s-house-primary-claims-his-opponent-is-a-body-double/691807/6 "2014-06-27T19:56:41Z")
> [@Calatin](#): > > So, Tim Murray is protesting the results of this week’s election, because he is [claiming that the victor, Representative Frank Lucas, well… isn’t](http://kfor.com/2014/06/26/congressional-candidate-feels-opponent-is-a-body-double/). Instead, he claims that the real Frank Lucas was killed in 2011 in Ukraine. You know, if he’s right, nobody will ever believe him. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loser-in-oklahoma-u-s-house-primary-claims-his-opponent-is-a-body-double/691807/7 "2014-06-27T20:10:00Z")
People thinking someone has been replaced by a “double”, even though the accusation is completely absurd, is often a sign of brain malfunction. Though usually it is a close relative, not a political opponent. > **[Capgras delusion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capgras_delusion)** > > Capgras delusion or Capgras syndrome is a psychiatric disorder in which a person holds a delusion that a friend, spouse, parent, another close family member, or pet has been replaced by an identical impostor. It is named after Joseph Capgras (1873–1950), the French psychiatrist who first described the disorder. > The Capgras delusion is classified as a delusional misidentification syndrome, a class of delusional beliefs that involves the misidentification of people, places, or objects. It can occu... ---
**Author:** ![johnpost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@johnpost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnpost)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loser-in-oklahoma-u-s-house-primary-claims-his-opponent-is-a-body-double/691807/8 "2014-06-27T20:20:55Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Oh, good. He ran two years ago as a Democrat but switched to the Republican party this time around. Well, that’s good, because I think we all know that Democrats are soft on the robot-look-alikes issue. they are. there was a former president and first lady who weren’t the humans they appeared to be. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loser-in-oklahoma-u-s-house-primary-claims-his-opponent-is-a-body-double/691807/9 "2014-06-27T20:35:36Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > People thinking someone has been replaced by a “double”, even though the accusation is completely absurd, is often a sign of brain malfunction. “often?” :dubious: How often is it _not_ a sign of brain malfunction? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loser-in-oklahoma-u-s-house-primary-claims-his-opponent-is-a-body-double/691807/10 "2014-06-27T20:37:48Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > “often?” :dubious: > > How often is it _not_ a sign of brain malfunction? Richard Nixon was a Reptilian. I believe that has been proven. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loser-in-oklahoma-u-s-house-primary-claims-his-opponent-is-a-body-double/691807/11 "2014-06-27T20:39:49Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > “often?” :dubious: > > How often is it _not_ a sign of brain malfunction? Could be simply that he’s messing with you all. 😃 Or, more seriously - not all delusions or bizzare paranoid theories are actually signs of organic damage to the brain. It just so happens that this one is a well-recognized and stereotypical one that often is. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loser-in-oklahoma-u-s-house-primary-claims-his-opponent-is-a-body-double/691807/12 "2014-06-27T20:44:27Z")
Specifically it’s called [Capgras delusion.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capgras_delusion) Of course I don’t know if Capgras really identified this illness - it could’ve been his double. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loser-in-oklahoma-u-s-house-primary-claims-his-opponent-is-a-body-double/691807/13 "2014-06-27T20:47:07Z")
I guess we should make Frank Lucas take the Voight-Kampff test. ---
**Author:** ![Grestarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grestarian/32/3227_2.png) [@Grestarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grestarian)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loser-in-oklahoma-u-s-house-primary-claims-his-opponent-is-a-body-double/691807/14 "2014-06-27T20:49:31Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > People thinking someone has been replaced by a “double”, even though the accusation is completely absurd, is often a sign of brain malfunction. Though usually it is a close relative, not a political opponent. > > [Capgras delusion - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capgras_delusion) 1. I initially read that as crapgas delusion, and wondered if it was a problem related to inhaling exceedingly strong fumes (like from the NorthEast corner of the parking lot at Neptune’s Net). 2. Aren’t there candidacy requirements in our laws that require nominees to be sane? I mean, I had a friend who was told, “If you have your son institutionalized as part of the treatment for his violent outbursts, he will never be allowed to run for President.” She responded, “Oh! I can protect him from that, too? Where do I sign?” –G! ---
**Author:** ![Calatin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/439d5e/32.png) [@Calatin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calatin)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loser-in-oklahoma-u-s-house-primary-claims-his-opponent-is-a-body-double/691807/15 "2014-06-27T20:50:52Z")
Under his list of achievements / accomplishments he’s: > [@](#): > > Requested and obtained in 2013, Protection from partial or whole life placement on Starship without the knowledge and or will of any person(s) on Earth or in Space, and the storage of partial human size life on Earth or in this Solar system. This matter is sealed with The People, The U.S. President, and The U.S. Supreme Court. It’s **sealed** , people. So, don’t worry about someone tearing your arm off and shipping it off to space. Tim’s got your back! ---
**Author:** ![Sal\_Ammoniac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8dc957/32.png) [@Sal\_Ammoniac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sal_Ammoniac)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loser-in-oklahoma-u-s-house-primary-claims-his-opponent-is-a-body-double/691807/16 "2014-06-27T21:19:13Z")
And… 5.2% of Oklahomans voted for this man, sez the article. ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loser-in-oklahoma-u-s-house-primary-claims-his-opponent-is-a-body-double/691807/17 "2014-06-27T21:21:01Z")
According to this [election results](http://www.news9.com/category/193017/election-results) (scroll down) 3,442 people voted for Tim Murray. :eek::eek::eek: ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loser-in-oklahoma-u-s-house-primary-claims-his-opponent-is-a-body-double/691807/18 "2014-06-27T21:22:30Z")
> [@Sal\_Ammoniac](#): > > And… 5.2% of Oklahomans voted for this man, sez the article. Hell, he’s still better than the mayor in my city - Rob Ford. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loser-in-oklahoma-u-s-house-primary-claims-his-opponent-is-a-body-double/691807/19 "2014-06-27T22:18:09Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > He has some kind of mold problem: Has he tried bleach, I wonder? I’ve had good luck getting rid of mold with Clorox. > [@](#): > > . . .and that seek to direct how your finial or disabled days are spent. Nobody wants to end up being merely ornamental. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2014, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loser-in-oklahoma-u-s-house-primary-claims-his-opponent-is-a-body-double/691807/20 "2014-06-27T22:48:07Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > “often?” :dubious: > > How often is it _not_ a sign of brain malfunction? Wake up, people. I don’t care how much you mock me, I still say they replaced Prime Minister Bonforte with a body double. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/loser-in-oklahoma-u-s-house-primary-claims-his-opponent-is-a-body-double/691807.md?page=2)