# Lost 1.10 "Raised by Another" (SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 1, 2004, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-10-raised-by-another-spoilers/277583 "2004-12-01T22:19:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2004, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-10-raised-by-another-spoilers/277583/61 "2004-12-02T04:38:55Z")
Or “The Roman.” Ha! This is fun! Who can come up with the best one? ---
**Author:** ![av8rmike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@av8rmike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/av8rmike)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2004, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-10-raised-by-another-spoilers/277583/62 "2004-12-02T04:39:08Z")
Getting away from the esoteric interpretations of every excrutiating minutiae of every episode, how much of a dick is the psychic guy? He tells her she has to raise the baby herself, calls her at night for months, then sends her on a plane _he knows to be doomed_. Does he know with absolute certainty she’d even survive the crash? I do like how each week Castaway Flounder takes on more and more responsibility. Last week it was just building a gold course. Now he’s Columbo and a census taker. What will it be next week? ---
**Author:** ![Spree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@Spree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spree)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2004, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-10-raised-by-another-spoilers/277583/63 "2004-12-02T05:18:47Z")
So is Ethan the one who whacked Sayid upside the head, maybe? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2004, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-10-raised-by-another-spoilers/277583/64 "2004-12-02T05:21:48Z")
Holy **crap** that was cool. I can’t remember the last time I got such a sheer **rush** from a TV show. That is all. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2004, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-10-raised-by-another-spoilers/277583/65 "2004-12-02T05:30:33Z")
Man, this show just gets better and better. I don’t think Ethan is Alex. To old, and too non-French. My “Lost” watching group pretty much called the whole manefest deal and that Ethan would be the one not listed. But everyone got the shivers when the final scene flashed with Ethan looking at Charlie and Claire. Wow! Are we sure of the spelling of Ethan’s last name? I like the anagram idea, but could his last name be Roam or Rome or something like that? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2004, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-10-raised-by-another-spoilers/277583/66 "2004-12-02T05:32:32Z")
> [@Rich Mann](#): > > Okay, I googled and V. Hugo was known to wax philosophic but (as probably all the rest of you knew already) he was mainly known as an author of novels and poetry. _Les Miserables._ ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2004, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-10-raised-by-another-spoilers/277583/67 "2004-12-02T05:33:40Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Are we sure of the spelling of Ethan’s last name? I like the anagram idea, but could his last name be Roam or Rome or something like that? Hurley – scuse me, Hugo – asked him to verify the spelling. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2004, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-10-raised-by-another-spoilers/277583/68 "2004-12-02T05:33:39Z")
I love Charlie and Hurley/Hugo the best. Damn, what a great show! That baby’s gotta pop before the winter hiatus, right? Right?? Don’t leave us hanging! Who am I kidding? She’ll be crowning and then they’ll end the ep. Loved Charlie’s counting: “One sugar plum fairy, two sugar plum fairy…” Sawyer kicking it on the beach–great image. ---
**Author:** ![Briny\_Deep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/briny_deep/32/17188_2.png) [@Briny\_Deep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Briny_Deep)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2004, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-10-raised-by-another-spoilers/277583/69 "2004-12-02T05:41:51Z")
I love the “other man” anagram, but check this hastily Googled tidbit out: philosopher Rom Harre: [http://www.raggedclaws.com/criticalrealism/archive/cnew\_rh.html](http://www.raggedclaws.com/criticalrealism/archive/cnew_rh.html) > [@](#): > > Harre advocates “policy realism”: the principle that if a theory is plausible (powerful in prediction and retrodiction) it is reasonable to read its terms as denoting real things, and to set up a search for these beings. Whatever the reference, I think it’s probably intentional because the spelling “Rom” was emphasized. Otherwise I would have assumed “Rohm,” a fairly common last name. ---
**Author:** ![Briny\_Deep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/briny_deep/32/17188_2.png) [@Briny\_Deep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Briny_Deep)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2004, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-10-raised-by-another-spoilers/277583/70 "2004-12-02T06:10:29Z")
Forgot to add: I’m not worried about Claire or the baby, actually. I’m not worried about any of these people because I’m sure they’re all on the island for some big reason, probably the tedious Purgatory explanation. I think it’s still important to note that nobody we’ve met, except the pilot, has died. (The swimmer didn’t count; she was just a delayed casualty of the crash.) Everybody else who survived (who had no reason to expect survival) is in for some big relevant Experience on the island. More Redshirts may die, but I don’t think anybody we’ve gotten to know is going to die in the ordinary sense. Not that I know Jack (heh, as it were.) I love this show beyond all good decorum. I’m sure they’ll continue to surprise me. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@Silver\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Fire)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2004, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-10-raised-by-another-spoilers/277583/71 "2004-12-02T06:40:34Z")
I missed the last half hour or so. Who wants to give me a decent recap? ---
**Author:** ![Rainbowthief](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4bbf92/32.png) [@Rainbowthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rainbowthief)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2004, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-10-raised-by-another-spoilers/277583/72 "2004-12-02T10:05:04Z")
I suck at this and I’m good at remembering in what order things happen, but I’ll try. Hurley decides that it would be a good idea to start gathering info on the survivors (full name, what were they doing on the plane, etc). Some people seem put off by it and Boone suggests retrieving the plane manifest since it has a list of all passengers. Of course, Sawyer has it, but Hurley asks him nicely and tells him “You could use the points,” so Sawyer lets him have it. Claire has nightmares and thinks she was attacked. Charlie believes her, but Jack thinks it’s all in her mind. In flashbacks, we see her finding out she was pregnant. At first her boyfriend was supportive and said they could make it work, but after only three months of pregnancy, he freaked out and walked out on her, so she decides to have the baby and then immediately give it up for adoption. She gets a reading from a psychic, who tells her that she and no one else must raise her baby because it will need her “goodness.” This freaks her out and she storms out of the reading. He calls her throughout her pregnancy telling her he has a plan for her. She finally tells him she’s ready to listen and he says a couple in Los Angeles will pay $6,000.00 in advance and another $6,000.00 upon arrival for the baby and they’re “good people,” so she agrees. He insists that she must leave on a flight departing the next day, which Claire tells Charlie is a sign that he knew the plane would crash. I know I left out stuff and probably told you stuff you saw, but hopefully someone else can fill in the gaps. I need season one on DVD yesterday because I have not been this addicted to a television drama since **Twin Peaks**. ---
**Author:** ![Rainbowthief](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4bbf92/32.png) [@Rainbowthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rainbowthief)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2004, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-10-raised-by-another-spoilers/277583/73 "2004-12-02T10:06:25Z")
> [@Rainbowthief](#): > > I suck at this and I’m good at remembering in what order things happen :smack: That should’ve been I’m **not** good at remembering in what order things happen. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2004, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-10-raised-by-another-spoilers/277583/74 "2004-12-02T10:29:20Z")
Whew! Great fun. I liked Hurley’s “you don’t want to know why” in reference to his nickname. Based on the hyper-squeamishness that he demonstrated in assisting with the field surgery, I think Jack can probably guess. 😃 Who the hell is Ethan? What was Claire’s look at the end about, exactly? Refresh my memory: Had she ever seen Ethan before that moment? Is it possible she recognized him from pre-crash? “Ethan Rom” _might_ not be on the manifest simply because it’s a fake name. I dunno, I’m kind of flailing around here. A needle in the abdomen makes me think of induced labour. I don’t know if it _ought_ to, but it does. I’ve spoken to a midwife who talked about an method (interestingly enough, called ROM – “Rupture of Membrane”," where a needle is used to rupture the placenta to speed up a delivery. Of course, (I think, anyway) that’s something you don’t get around to doing until the cervix is dilated enough to make it practical, and you dinna go in through the belly – but it’s an interesting coincidence. (?) She used it as a verb. “I thought we were going to have to ROM her there for a while.” You can imagine it made an impression. :eek: What the hell was Malkin _really_ about? Charlie may be convinced that he “knew” the crash was going to happen, but he could also just be a cynical baby-trader, preying on the fears of credulous and vulnerable expectant mothers to supplement his income. One thing that I’m sure must have just been my ears playing tricks on me: When he produced tea in the woods, I thought I heard Charlie say that it was “the one thing that separates us from these savage Ents.” What did he _really_ say? He couldn’t have said _that_, right? ---
**Author:** ![Antigen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/848f3c/32.png) [@Antigen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antigen)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2004, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-10-raised-by-another-spoilers/277583/75 "2004-12-02T11:35:08Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > One thing that I’m sure must have just been my ears playing tricks on me: When he produced tea in the woods, I thought I heard Charlie say that it was “the one thing that separates us from these savage Ents.” > > What did he _really_ say? He couldn’t have said _that_, right? I thought he just said “savages”. But I like your version better! ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2004, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-10-raised-by-another-spoilers/277583/76 "2004-12-02T11:37:12Z")
> [@friggae](#): > > Here’s my guess on the significance of “Ethan Rom” - it’s an anagram of “Other Man”. Cool! Actually, Charlie said “Savage Yanks”. ---
**Author:** ![h.sapiens](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e0b2c6/32.png) [@h.sapiens](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/h.sapiens)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2004, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-10-raised-by-another-spoilers/277583/77 "2004-12-02T11:45:38Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > Whew! Great fun. > > I liked Hurley’s “you don’t want to know why” in reference to his nickname. > > Based on the hyper-squeamishness that he demonstrated in assisting with the field surgery, I think Jack can probably guess. 😃 > > Who the hell is Ethan? > > What was Claire’s look at the end about, exactly? Refresh my memory: Had she ever seen Ethan before that moment? > > Is it possible she recognized him from pre-crash? “Ethan Rom” _might_ not be on the manifest simply because it’s a fake name. > > I dunno, I’m kind of flailing around here. A needle in the abdomen makes me think of induced labour. I don’t know if it _ought_ to, but it does. > > I’ve spoken to a midwife who talked about an method (interestingly enough, called ROM – “Rupture of Membrane”," where a needle is used to rupture the placenta to speed up a delivery. Of course, (I think, anyway) that’s something you don’t get around to doing until the cervix is dilated enough to make it practical, and you dinna go in through the belly – but it’s an interesting coincidence. (?) She used it as a verb. “I thought we were going to have to ROM her there for a while.” You can imagine it made an impression. :eek: > > What the hell was Malkin _really_ about? Charlie may be convinced that he “knew” the crash was going to happen, but he could also just be a cynical baby-trader, preying on the fears of credulous and vulnerable expectant mothers to supplement his income. > > One thing that I’m sure must have just been my ears playing tricks on me: When he produced tea in the woods, I thought I heard Charlie say that it was “the one thing that separates us from these savage Ents.” > > What did he _really_ say? He couldn’t have said _that_, right? I believe it was “savage Yanks” ---
**Author:** ![EvilHamsterOnCrack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@EvilHamsterOnCrack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EvilHamsterOnCrack)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2004, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-10-raised-by-another-spoilers/277583/78 "2004-12-02T12:00:15Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > Is it possible she recognized him from pre-crash? “Ethan Rom” _might_ not be on the manifest simply because it’s a fake name. Correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t there more survivors in his census than on the manifest, meaning one of them wasn’t a survivor? He didn’t bother to check who, and see what name didn’t match. Anyone else dig the Patriot Act reference? ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2004, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-10-raised-by-another-spoilers/277583/79 "2004-12-02T12:25:58Z")
> [@EvilHamsterOnCrack](#): > > Anyone else dig the Patriot Act reference? Yeah…it just confirmed the image that guy has as an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2004, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-10-raised-by-another-spoilers/277583/80 "2004-12-02T12:42:08Z")
> [@EvilHamsterOnCrack](#): > > Correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t there more survivors in his census than on the manifest, meaning one of them wasn’t a survivor? He didn’t bother to check who, and see what name didn’t match. 😕 There weren’t more survivors in his census than on the manifest. He got a name from a “survivor” (presumably Ethan) that wasn’t on the manifest at all. Yes, that means one of them wasn’t a survivor of the plane crash. He DID bother to check who. It was his cross-checking that indicated to him that there was a person there who wasn’t on the plane. Getting the manifest to help in the census was not really logical in the first place. He’s taking a census of people on the island. All the manifest is going to give him, in addition, is the names of people who died. But, of course, it gave us the chance to find out there’s a guy there who wasn’t on the plane. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-10-raised-by-another-spoilers/277583.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-10-raised-by-another-spoilers/277583.md?page=5)