# Lost 1.11: "All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 8, 2004, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757 "2004-12-08T16:17:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/201 "2004-12-13T17:30:30Z")
> [@Misnomer](#): > > Eh? 😕 My first post in this thread is on page 5 . . . > Are you just mad at me for not noticing your “tracker” point? I don’t think that’s it. I only see 4 pages in this thread. I think that is what **Ethilrist** was referring to. ---
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/202 "2004-12-13T17:47:49Z")
> [@Wile E](#): > > Naw, I don’t think Eth is mad at you, he’s probably just jealous because you got 5 pages and the rest of us only got 4. 😛 > [@Algernon](#): > > I don’t think that’s it. I only see 4 pages in this thread. I think that is what **Ethilrist** was referring to. Well _that’s_ weird (but explains it). **Algernon** ’s post shows up as the first one on page 6 for me . . . It’s probably just a browser thing, but I had no idea that the number of pages in a thread might vary from user to user! Anyway, I vow to never tape “Lost” again – and then wait until the weekend to watch it – so that, in the future, I can get in on page 1 (or 2, depending ;)). ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/203 "2004-12-13T17:53:39Z")
Normally **Misnomer** , I’d say it’s simply a vBulletin setting difference. There is a “User CP” setting where you can define the number of posts per page. I use the default, as do most others, so I get 50 posts per page. However, you say that my post is the first post on what you see as page 6, and I see it as the first post on page 5, so it can’t simply be that you somehow have a setting of say 40 posts per page. Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/204 "2004-12-13T17:55:16Z")
> [@Misnomer](#): > > It’s probably just a browser thing, but I had no idea that the number of pages in a thread might vary from user to user! There’s a “Number of posts to show per page” option in the user CP – the default is 50. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/205 "2004-12-13T18:25:42Z")
Posting on the first two pages will be quite a challenge with Dopers like me and **Anitgen** , **John Mace** , and **Turek** in on it! Several of us discuss things before the show then other things while it’s being shown. Page 2 1/2 is when the after episode dissection starts most weeks. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/206 "2004-12-13T18:29:54Z")
I had company over this past Wednesday so I couldn’t get online until Thursday and the thread was already at 3 pages. Yep, you gotta be quick around here if you want to cover something new. ---
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/207 "2004-12-13T19:17:03Z")
> [@Algernon](#): > > However, you say that my post is the first post on what you see as page 6, and I see it as the first post on page 5, so it can’t simply be that you somehow have a setting of say 40 posts per page. That’s what it was, though: I looked at my setting, and it was at 40 posts per page. I changed it to “forum default,” and now the post of yours that I mentioned (#201) shows up at the top of page 5 and there is no page 6 yet. It makes sense, because if we’re off by 10 posts per page, at 5 pages we’d be off by an entire page. Or something like that. My brain hurts now. :eek: > [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Posting on the first two pages will be quite a challenge with Dopers like me and **Anitgen** , **John Mace** , and **Turek** in on it! Several of us discuss things before the show then other things while it’s being shown. Page 2 1/2 is when the after episode dissection starts most weeks. Just you wait until I get my Wayback machine working again! 😛 (Or, I could just remember to bring my laptop home with me on Wednesday nights so that I can post from my couch . . . nah!) ---
**Author:** ![Odinoneeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/97f17d/32.png) [@Odinoneeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odinoneeye)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/208 "2004-12-13T22:12:42Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Posting on the first two pages will be quite a challenge with Dopers like me and **Anitgen** , **John Mace** , and **Turek** in on it! Several of us discuss things before the show then other things while it’s being shown. Page 2 1/2 is when the after episode dissection starts most weeks. I work evenings, so I TIVO this and watch it when I get home Wednesday night. I then go online Thursday for the commentary. I usually spend an hour reading what’s already there before I can even comment. 😃 But this show probably wouldn’t be near as much fun without the online discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/209 "2004-12-14T18:13:57Z")
> [@Odinoneeye](#): > > II usually spend an hour reading what’s already there before I can even comment. … and by the time you’ve finished, someone else has made every point you thought you were so smart for coming up with. I gotta start checking the board at 9 p.m. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/210 "2004-12-14T18:27:47Z")
What really hurts is when you’ve read three pages and your topic hasn’t been addressed, but when you get to the end of the last page, there it is. A few posts before you can reply. Painful. ---
**Author:** ![Odinoneeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/97f17d/32.png) [@Odinoneeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odinoneeye)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/211 "2004-12-14T21:22:39Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > … and by the time you’ve finished, someone else has made every point you thought you were so smart for coming up with. > > I gotta start checking the board at 9 p.m. 🙂 Can’t even see the episode until 12:30 so checking the board at 9 would just spoil it for me. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/212 "2004-12-16T06:04:12Z")
I just watched the re-run of the 2hr Pilot. Couple of things I noticed: 1. The bacgammon game did have both black and white dice, unlike the game shown later which had only white dice. 2. The first time “the monster” shows itself, early in the 1st hour, it appears to be more like large metal doors openning and closing. Palm trees disappear-- they aren’t knocked over. They seem to sink as we hear metalic sonds: doors??? I have to say, I enjoyed watching the whole thing again. Episodes 2 and 3 repeated next Wednesday ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/213 "2004-12-16T06:16:56Z")
Was that really a polar bear? It didn’t look quite right to me, though we never got a really good look at it. Seemed more like an albino grizzly or kodiak to me. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/214 "2004-12-16T06:39:08Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > Was that really a polar bear? It didn’t look quite right to me, though we never got a really good look at it. Seemed more like an albino grizzly or kodiak to me. I doubt that would have made the castaways feel any better even if it were true. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/215 "2004-12-16T06:46:28Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > I doubt that would have made the castaways feel any better even if it were true. 🙂 Well, true enough, and it’s not like the grizzly’s natural range includes South Pacific islands, either. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/216 "2004-12-16T07:11:13Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > The first time “the monster” shows itself, early in the 1st hour, it appears to be more like large metal doors openning and closing. Palm trees disappear-- they aren’t knocked over. They seem to sink as we hear metalic sonds: doors??? I don’t quite get it… but Rose says that it sounds familiar to her. “Where are you from?” “The Bronx.” The Lexington Avenue express, maybe? Does the “hatch” that Locke and Boone found lead to a _subway system?_ 😃 Seriously, it does sound mechanical, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it turned out to be an artifact put there by the hidden hatch people. (Of course, a properly-engineered subway doesn’t mess with stuff on the surface. But one that’s cobbled together out of coconuts and vines, on the other hand…) ---
**Author:** ![h.sapiens](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e0b2c6/32.png) [@h.sapiens](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/h.sapiens)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/217 "2004-12-16T12:01:42Z")
I watched too, and I was trying to catch a glimpse of Ethan among the castaways in the early scenes on the beach and in the flashbacks on the plane. I thought I saw him in the first scene where everyone hears the monster, but on re-watching it was too fuzzy to make out a face, and I think it was just Boone. I didn’t see him in any plane scenes, but I didn’t see Hurley, Claire, Michael and Walt, Sayid or Sawyer either. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/218 "2004-12-16T12:20:56Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > I don’t quite get it… but Rose says that it sounds familiar to her. “Where are you from?” “The Bronx.” > > The Lexington Avenue express, maybe? Does the “hatch” that Locke and Boone found lead to a _subway system?_ 😃 > > Seriously, it does sound mechanical, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it turned out to be an artifact put there by the hidden hatch people. > > (Of course, a properly-engineered subway doesn’t mess with stuff on the surface. But one that’s cobbled together out of coconuts and vines, on the other hand…) And how did a subway system pluck the pilot from the cockpit and deposit him dead in the treetops? ---
**Author:** ![EvilHamsterOnCrack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@EvilHamsterOnCrack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EvilHamsterOnCrack)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/219 "2004-12-16T12:32:41Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > And how did a subway system pluck the pilot from the cockpit and deposit him dead in the treetops? Noone says the TCM couldn’t come out of it. But I did watch it last night, and it was most definately a metallic noise such as large metal objects. This was the first time I’d watched the first episode, so I was watching knowing what’s gonna happen in the future but at the same time not having seen it before. It was pretty cool. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/220 "2004-12-16T14:55:15Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > And how did a subway system pluck the pilot from the cockpit and deposit him dead in the treetops? Silly goose! Subway systems don’t just contain trains. There are also the alligators, Mole People, and CHUDs. Along with polar bears, apparently. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757.md?page=12)