# Lost 1.11: "All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 8, 2004, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757 "2004-12-08T16:17:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/221 "2004-12-16T15:18:45Z")
I rewatched it again, also with the same idea as others, to get a better idea of what the “monster” noise was. It did indeed sound metallic and I also thought of a subway, the “wooo” sound even sounded like the noise you hear when it’s moving. Perhaps the trees sway because their roots are a bit too close to the system and it brushes them as it goes by? The other sound the metallic noise sounded like is the garbage trucks with the arm that lifts up the dumpsters. This could explain the pilot. Let’s say the Subway system also contains a garbage truck that comes to the surface to clean things up and the pilot was unlucky enough to look out just as the arm was coming down to pick up the plane. Instead the pilot gets caught on it and the garbage truck operator (whom we’ll call GTO) tries to shake him off with doesn’t work at first, then the pilot goes _glitch_ all over the place so the GTO has to drive over to some trees to scrape him off. At this point GTO is worried that if he reports this it will go on his permanent record and they won’t let him operate the garbage truck anymore, so he just goes back underground and pretends it never happened. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/222 "2004-12-16T17:29:45Z")
> [@Wile E](#): > > I rewatched it again, also with the same idea as others, to get a better idea of what the “monster” noise was. It did indeed sound metallic and I also thought of a subway, the “wooo” sound even sounded like the noise you hear when it’s moving. Perhaps the trees sway because their roots are a bit too close to the system and it brushes them as it goes by? > The other sound the metallic noise sounded like is the garbage trucks with the arm that lifts up the dumpsters. This could explain the pilot. Let’s say the Subway system also contains a garbage truck that comes to the surface to clean things up and the pilot was unlucky enough to look out just as the arm was coming down to pick up the plane. Instead the pilot gets caught on it and the garbage truck operator (whom we’ll call GTO) tries to shake him off with doesn’t work at first, then the pilot goes _glitch_ all over the place so the GTO has to drive over to some trees to scrape him off. At this point GTO is worried that if he reports this it will go on his permanent record and they won’t let him operate the garbage truck anymore, so he just goes back underground and pretends it never happened. Which doesn’t explain why the garbage truck driver would kill a hog for Locke and what sort of mystical Island Wisdom the garbage truck driver imparted to him. Unless we’re talking about the garbage man from Dilbert. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/223 "2004-12-16T17:30:48Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Silly goose! Subway systems don’t just contain trains. There are also the alligators, Mole People, and CHUDs. Along with polar bears, apparently. Don’t forget giant, lung-breathing human-mimicking cockroaches. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/224 "2004-12-16T17:40:38Z")
> [@Wile E](#): > > I rewatched it again, also with the same idea as others, to get a better idea of what the “monster” noise was. It did indeed sound metallic and I also thought of a subway, the “wooo” sound even sounded like the noise you hear when it’s moving. Perhaps the trees sway because their roots are a bit too close to the system and it brushes them as it goes by? > The other sound the metallic noise sounded like is the garbage trucks with the arm that lifts up the dumpsters. This could explain the pilot. Let’s say the Subway system also contains a garbage truck that comes to the surface to clean things up and the pilot was unlucky enough to look out just as the arm was coming down to pick up the plane. Instead the pilot gets caught on it and the garbage truck operator (whom we’ll call GTO) tries to shake him off with doesn’t work at first, then the pilot goes _glitch_ all over the place so the GTO has to drive over to some trees to scrape him off. At this point GTO is worried that if he reports this it will go on his permanent record and they won’t let him operate the garbage truck anymore, so he just goes back underground and pretends it never happened. I noticed the very first time I watched how metalic sounding the monster was. But what I particularly noticed this time that I didn’t notice the first time was that the palm trees WEREN’T swaying at all… It was more like they were popping up and then disappearing. Not like something was moving thru them, but more like they were being manipulated from below th surface. ---
**Author:** ![EvilHamsterOnCrack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@EvilHamsterOnCrack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EvilHamsterOnCrack)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/225 "2004-12-16T19:58:39Z")
I think the “whooooooooo” (the non-metallic sound the TCM made), sounded very much like a steam-train horn. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/226 "2004-12-16T20:01:46Z")
This may have been addressed in other threads, but what’s the deal with Jack’s tattoo? I got a pretty good look at it last night. Is this just a tattoo that the actor actually has on his arm, or does it have anything to do with the story? If the latter, what do the Chinese Characters mean? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/227 "2004-12-16T20:48:50Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > And how did a subway system pluck the pilot from the cockpit and deposit him dead in the treetops? The same way a golf cart manages a beautiful Double Eagle on the ninth hole? > [@RikWriter](#): > > Which doesn’t explain why the garbage truck driver would kill a hog for Locke and what sort of mystical Island Wisdom the garbage truck driver imparted to him. Of course, we don’t know that the TCM ever _did_ kill that boar, and Locke has since proven himself to be adept at bringing them down on his own. Likewise, we don’t know that Locke had a mind-meld session with an invisible monster, leading him to conclude that the heart of the island was beautiful. It could be as simple as the noise having spooked the boar, giving Locke the opportunity to make a kill, and his satisfaction coming from the successful hunt alone. ---
**Author:** ![h.sapiens](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e0b2c6/32.png) [@h.sapiens](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/h.sapiens)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/228 "2004-12-16T21:04:52Z")
Also, after re-watching the first episode, Locke has been acting pretty weird more or less from the very beginning. It’s not necessarily the influence of the island or the TCM. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/229 "2004-12-16T21:07:09Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > what do the Chinese Characters mean? They’re Korean. And I think he wanted the watch back. ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/230 "2004-12-16T21:12:10Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > They’re Korean. And I think he wanted the watch back. _rimshot_ ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/231 "2004-12-16T21:16:16Z")
😃 Hey! TV Guide just rated the Top Ten Hottest shows of the season. Guess which Doper watched and talked about show is Number One? **Lost** ---
**Author:** ![Odinoneeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/97f17d/32.png) [@Odinoneeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odinoneeye)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/232 "2004-12-16T21:29:37Z")
I’m gonna brag to my wife it beat Desperate Houswives! I noticed that the backgammon set had the black dice as well. I can think of three explanation. 1. Walt and Hurley were just playing with one set because they wanted to 2. It was a different backgammon set 3. Some more gambling minded of the survivors stole the other set for a game of craps. Does it seem strange to anyone else that nobody realized Locke was in a wheelchair before the flight. He’s seated behind Rose in a flashback. Now he was probably pre-boarded because of his special needs, but it makes me wonder why none of the survivors noticed him before the flight. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/233 "2004-12-16T21:34:30Z")
> [@Odinoneeye](#): > > Does it seem strange to anyone else that nobody realized Locke was in a wheelchair before the flight. He’s seated behind Rose in a flashback. Now he was probably pre-boarded because of his special needs, but it makes me wonder why none of the survivors noticed him before the flight. So far, everyone we’ve seen at the airport had some extraordinary things happening. Jack with his Dadscicle, the Koreans with the about to leave him, stuff, Charlie with the drugs… Maybe they just all had blinders on. Now that Hurly has the manifest, though, I wonder if he’ll start recollecting things abiout the flight. Or if he’ll ask other people about it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2004, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/234 "2004-12-17T00:54:31Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > They’re Korean. And I think he wanted the watch back. OK, I guess I set that one up. 🙂 BTW, I did notice the first time around that Locke was rather odd acting. But this time it made a lot more sense. Especially his meditation pose during the rain storm while everyone else scrambled for cover. I wonder what the “secret” was that he told Walt at the end of the backgammon scene. Could it be about his previous paralysis, or is it the “secret of the island”. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2004, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/235 "2004-12-17T13:44:54Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > I wonder what the “secret” was that he told Walt at the end of the backgammon scene. Could it be about his previous paralysis, or is it the “secret of the island”. IIRC, in the next episode, Walt tells Michael the secret, and it was simply that Locke had said “a miracle happened to him.” I’d think a sudden cure for paralysis is pretty damn miraculous, too. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757.md?page=11)