# Lost 1.11: "All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 8, 2004, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757 "2004-12-08T16:17:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Big\_Norse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/big_norse/32/9954_2.png) [@Big\_Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Big_Norse)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/101 "2004-12-09T17:05:12Z")
> [@Rich Mann](#): > > Or he’s the Archangel Michael. _ **BATTLE!!** _ I’m stuck on the possible significance of the fact that Walt was playing the white pieces and Hurley was black. Remember what Locke told Walt about a battle between light and dark. This would fit into Hurley hiding something about the manifest… > [@](#): > > Also the skin around his eyes was real red there for a bit. Makeup malfunction or something more? I just took that as intentional to show that he’d been wearing the blindfold for a while. How long was Jack out? Why did it take Kate so long to find him? ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/102 "2004-12-09T17:05:15Z")
> [@Eats\_Crayons](#): > > What I was wondering a bit about (given that Jack tends to see his dead father walking around) is if Ethan really beat him up. Jack imagined it. When Kate helps him back to his feet there is not a huge muddy bootprint in the middle of his chest. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/103 "2004-12-09T17:20:21Z")
> [@UncleRojelio](#): > > Jack imagined it. When Kate helps him back to his feet there is not a huge muddy bootprint in the middle of his chest. Ooooooh. I _totally_ missed that. Nice. > [@kidchameleon](#): > > I’m hoping Locke found Amelia Earheart’s plane. Amelia Earheart and her navigator are my bet for the identities of Adam and Eve. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/104 "2004-12-09T18:32:56Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > Ooooooh. I _totally_ missed that. Nice. > Amelia Earheart and her navigator are my bet for the identities of Adam and Eve. 🙂 Bah, I tossed the idea of Earheart and Noonan way back whent hey found them. Of course my ‘Jack is gay’ bit seems to have fizzled mightly… ---
**Author:** ![tunisialotus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@tunisialotus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tunisialotus)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/105 "2004-12-09T18:44:39Z")
Was the wound on Charlie’s neck, after resurrection, suspicious looking to anyone else? When Jack prodded at it, it appeared unnaturally circular and symmetrical… ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/106 "2004-12-09T19:16:55Z")
> [@UncleRojelio](#): > > Jack imagined it. When Kate helps him back to his feet there is not a huge muddy bootprint in the middle of his chest. That couldn’t have been a continuity mistake? ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/107 "2004-12-09T19:43:44Z")
> [@h.sapiens](#): > > Speaking of Sawyer and Sayid, what was that about the tides? Sawyer mentioned, almost casually, that the tide was now coming up to the wreck of the plane. I caught that, too. Do islands even have tides? A goof by the writers, or a tip that they are on a very large island or continent? > [@](#): > > He also said that he was keeping an eye on the signal fire. Since it probably wasn’t just small talk, what was he trying to tell Sayid? Was it a kind of truce offer? Are the people at the beach becoming less comfortable with their situation? I took it as a kind of peace offering. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/108 "2004-12-09T19:44:15Z")
Maybe the heavy rain washed it mostly away. He _was_ on his back. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/109 "2004-12-09T19:48:03Z")
> [@Oslo Ostragoth](#): > > I caught that, too. Do islands even have tides? Yes. The entirity of the world’s oceans have tides. It’s a function of the water moving (being drawn towards the Sun and Moon) in relation to the stationary land. Geography sometimes plays an important role in how extreme the tides are (Bay of Fundy). Still, Sawyer’s comments weren’t very logocal. The tides are a daily event. Perhaps he meant some sort of erosion? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/110 "2004-12-09T19:50:30Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Maybe the heavy rain washed it mostly away. He _was_ on his back. Relates to Ethan’s footprint on Jack (who still might be gay! 😉 ). Okay, nothing really shouting (or hinting) that out anymore. Still, no clear evidence otherwise either… 😛 ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/111 "2004-12-09T19:52:46Z")
> [@Oslo Ostragoth](#): > > I caught that, too. Do islands even have tides? Islands have tides. Even lakes have tides (small ones). A tide is essentially a bulge in the earth caused by the gravitational pull of the moon. As the earth turns through the bulge we see it as a tide. Therefore we have two high tides and two low tides a day. I think Sawyer was referring to the monthly progression from neap tide to spring tide and back. Spring tide brings the highest tide of the month. ---
**Author:** ![Jurph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/50afbb/32.png) [@Jurph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jurph)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/112 "2004-12-09T20:24:03Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Still, Sawyer’s comments weren’t very logocal. The tides are a daily event. Perhaps he meant some sort of erosion? I think Sawyer said something like “the tide’s almost up to the fuselage today.” While I’ll concede that tides are daily, other factors like wind and relative positions of the sun and moon can affect the severity of the tide. Realize they’ve been on the island for maybe two weeks and it’s conceivable that today’s tide is just unusually high. Sawyer (“It’s stupid to lie about your name”) was telling Sayid that he had been maintaining the signal fire in Sayid’s absence, which from Sawyer is a big deal _precisely because_ he’s so resource-conscious. He had been using his time and energy to maintain a project that was Sayid’s (didn’t he call it “your signal fire”?) and which will ultimately benefit the group if it benefits anyone. It’s a high-cost, low-profit enterprise, but Sawyer kept at it. One more thing: if the signal fire was downhill from the fuselage, then this means that he _moved it_ or built a new one, but is still calling it Sayid’s fire[sup]1[/sup]. Speaking of resources, I was a little surprised at the fact that Ethan left Claire’s bag behind, and _very_ surprised that we didn’t see Locke or Jack pick it up. To the castaways, it’s a significant portion of their irreplaceable (mainland-manufactured) supply inventory. To Ethan, it would represent an infusion of possibly never-before-seen technology or material! 1. You can make what you will of Sawyer “carrying a torch” for Sayid while he’s gone. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/113 "2004-12-09T20:44:02Z")
Anyone concerned about Boone, out there alone with Locke? Is Locke in cahoots with Ethan? Sure seems strange that uber-tracker Locke was urging them to go down the wrong trail before the split up. One thing is for certain: Locke is “different” from the rest, and has been so ever since he saw “whatever-it-was-that-he-saw” in the jungle. And now, perhaps, Charile is “different”, too. Could this be what Danielle was talking about when she told Sayid that his crewmates would be taken over, one by one, by something on the island? Hey, **does anyone know a site where you can see scripts of the various episodes**? I noticed on the ABC/Lost message board that some folks were quoting exact passages including set directions, as if they had cut and pasted from somwhere. I sure would like to see the script of the episode with Danielle and go over her dialogue very carefully. ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/114 "2004-12-09T21:08:24Z")
Not incredibly inciteful at this point, but when Hurley said he was a warrior, my instant question was “What level?” Definitely an RPG reference in my mind. ---
**Author:** ![Eats\_Crayons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/278dde/32.png) [@Eats\_Crayons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eats_Crayons)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/115 "2004-12-09T21:30:05Z")
> [@tunisialotus](#): > > Was the wound on Charlie’s neck, after resurrection, suspicious looking to anyone else? When Jack prodded at it, it appeared unnaturally circular and symmetrical… It’s one of those giant earwig things from Star Trek. It nests in your throat, then pops out of your chest. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9dc877/32.png) [@Mr\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Jim)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/116 "2004-12-09T21:37:58Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Hey, **does anyone know a site where you can see scripts of the various episodes**? I noticed on the ABC/Lost message board that some folks were quoting exact passages including set directions, as if they had cut and pasted from somwhere. I sure would like to see the script of the episode with Danielle and go over her dialogue very carefully. There are some [here](http://www.twiztv.com/scripts/lost/). ---
**Author:** ![Odinoneeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/97f17d/32.png) [@Odinoneeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odinoneeye)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/117 "2004-12-09T21:40:42Z")
Some thoughts on the backgammon game: Was Hurley’s pieces black or brown. Normally the pieces are white and brown, but some sets have them black. Also, they’re often referred to as stones. Black and white stones… Notice that not only did Walt get good luck, Hurley got bad luck. Twice his rolls couldn’t get him off the bar so he lost his turn. Could Walt’s “bad luck projection” have something to do with his monther’s death? Have we heard about Walt’s other dad? (step-father I’m assuming) ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/118 "2004-12-09T21:50:36Z")
> [@Odinoneeye](#): > > Have we heard about Walt’s other dad? (step-father I’m assuming) This is the first we’ve heard of him. According to Tv Tome: (Not spoilers for actual events, just whose backstories we’ll see in upcoming episodes.) The next new episode will be Kate-centered (dare we hope to find out what the hell she did?), then Boone gets his turn, and _finally_ Michael and Walt. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/119 "2004-12-09T22:07:40Z")
> [@Mr Jim](#): > > There are some [here](http://www.twiztv.com/scripts/lost/). Mr. Jim, you ROCK! Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Spree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@Spree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spree)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2004, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757/120 "2004-12-09T22:10:07Z")
I noticed in this episode that finally, our castaways are starting to really look scruffy. I particularly noticed Boone, with his shaggy hair and ripped up shirt. Hope somebody packed some scissors, or all the boys will be looking like Sawyer soon! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-11-all-the-best-cowboys-have-daddy-issues/278757.md?page=7)